we have a committee going on in in Chambers that uh taking a little bit more time. Once that's done. Well our members that's in this committee will come over here and we'll have a quorum we'll get started. So just bear with us. Everybody I I um, I want to thank you for your patience this morning. Um, because it's 1:40 is that our our our neglect some of the people aren't able to get here on time. I'm going to As for a motion to recess the meeting to 11:30, so move chairman. on the most let me get out of here. You gotta come out 1130. Oh my God on the motion invocation. All those in favor. Say I I those opposed no the pinna chair the like this my guy he don't give a s***. all you have wait something excuse me. and now you got my Good morning, again, the committee on the committee on transportation and public way is now called to order. We will now have a roll call to establish Quorum will the ottoman please make sure that microphones are unmuted. Please note that your yes or present response will be deemed to be a yes vote when the Quorum World call is used as reference vote for later items. Thank you. chairman Mitchell present Vice chairman Vasquez president almond Conway alderman nervin Alderman Fuentes ottoman Gutierrez chairman Harris Alderman Hopkins Alderman Moore online chairman Conway's online too Alderman Nugent present Alderman Rodriguez Alderman wespac president alderman. Jansy There are 7 members present. We have a quorum. Alderman Moore and Alderman gouty Addis and Alderman Yancey Alderman Conway. And ottoman Hopkins has requested remote participation on the rule 59 of the Rules of Order and procedure of the city council. Can I get a motion to allow for remote participation for the above mentioned Alderman Alderman here? So moves on the motion all in favor say I I those opposed no and you in the opinion of the chair of the eyes have it? Thank you chairman. At this time, we will begin the public comment period out of respect for everybody's time public comment will be limited to 30 minutes and each speaker is limited to 3 minutes. Our first public speaker is George, Blakemore. Okay. members Is this mic working? Yes, my name is George Blakemore, and I didn't speaking for over a hour or 2. so, uh I can't believe it. Mr. Blakemore stick to the point you with public of safety 1 thing that I'm anti against is rather than to uh parking. Everybody pays taxes, so it shouldn't be you live in this neighborhood and this is your street. Get your garage. Get another private lot. But these streets belong to all of us. So that's 1 point. I need also with this ability people some men did 200 years what you crazy old man and still using those disabled permit. You have to find a way to stop that Grandma and Grandpa been dead for years. That's something else that that you must change all these honorable streets and honorary streets. You got to make sure these people are honorable people. Oh, come on, you understand where I'm coming from and young men. You're a young black man. I'm gonna tell you something if you don't listen you'll feel. Why would you let these people play you? Why? Don't don't do that because you represent us. You just don't represent Greg Mitchell. You represent the black community? And we want you to represent us well and don't ever let people play you you teach them how to treat you if they don't know and don't surround yourself with losers. What losers is some outside you talking to losers? You have to be in an environment of someone who can help you? And don't be a part of this corrupt machine that slated you you can be a runner game. Now. You got 4 years you can do your thing in the interest of your community. So it's something evil here something corrupt here. Here and you see none of these white they all ignore you. And they showed you who you are and where you are. You're still on the plantation and we still got the advocate for Freedom. You don't have change on your arm your leg, but you got to change in your head. Whatever caused you to do that and I say young man. Don't do it. If you don't listen, you'll feel the pain the suffering and now you have a time for me over 3 minutes to sit down, but what about all these minutes that you from us? Thank you, Mr. Blake Moore. Uh, our next speaker is Rory Gilchrist. Oh my God. You did George. Can you George bye bye. It's my turn. well, well Thank you. Chair Mitchell Vice chair Vasquez member of the committee and my fellow Chicagoans good morning, or at least it was morning when I wrote RMA rocks. My name is Rory Gilchrist. I live in Lincoln Square working Uptown and I am the Secretary of 40th Ward Workers United. Although my remarks today will be in my personal capacity. I'm staunchly in favor of expanding our public transit Network and connecting the desperate transit systems in Cook County. So that regular folks can get where they need to. The proposed extension of the Ashlyn number 9 bus to the Ravenswood Metro station ordinance 2024 treble 09810 absolutely falls into that category. I urge the old people present to vote this favorably out of committee and then deposit on the council floor expeditiously. I commend the work of Cadet C dot to research this project to look at the data from Venture Card Taps to predict how many transfers would increase as a result of switching the Terminus from where it currently Ends by the cemetery to a Commuter Rail station that is used by many in my community in order to reach our ambitious and yet indisposable 2040 climate action plan goals. We will need to do an all of the above approach to mode switch getting people out of cars. Yes, even though electric cars and onto other methods of Mobility to get around combined with the bike support infrastructure on Metro trains and the CTA buses front-mounted bike racks these mean that so many more people can get where they are going with close to zero carbon emissions compared to the business as usual scenario. This project this ordinance isn't the end of things. I would love to know how soon C Dot and CTA can move the Terminus further north to the new Peterson and ridge Metro station that is in the middle of my ward the 40th Ward, but I can accept this extension for now. And of course we need to do much more to ensure CTA leadership Helms the agency for more dependability and reliability both in the immediate term and for the longer multi-decade sustainable Transit future, we all need and deserve. The number 1 source of our City's problems are the solutions solutions of the last Millennium and that means we must be Visionary Equitable prudent and yet pioneering with the policy choices we make today. With respect to this project. I was astounded to learn that the current routing is a relic of when that uptown area had street cars with today's number 9 bus following the route of a long bygone technology. We shouldn't let those urban planning choices hamstring Us in the present and I again reiterate my strongest support for this project though the arja of Aryan knees as reaching a dipic pitch, you should discount the poor reasoning and thinly veiled dog whistles of those who think they count more than others just because they happen to own property nearby better. Transit is a more Equitable goal for us all thanks also to older met Martin and his Dynamite staff for the community engagement in this matter. With my last 30 seconds, I'd just like to say that I've now given 2 and a half hours of my day up. Uh, in order to be here. Uh, that's 2 and a half hours in order to speak for 3 minutes. You know, that's time. I spend not doing my job my pay job because uh, you guys had difficulty doing yours this morning. It's really a big obstacle to public participation and uh, it really needs to be looked at. So please do better and I thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. Go. our next speaker is Michael podgers followed by Has has ning ten beer. Got the wrong last name. Good morning. Well, this is afternoon. Um, good afternoon everybody. Uh, I expected to be saying this in the morning. Um, and as Rory noted we are uh a little delayed today. Um, my name is Michael podgers. I'm the policy lead at better Street Chicago and I'm here to speak on behalf of the organization. Um, and I would like to say that better Street Chicago wholeheartedly supports the extension of the cta's 9 Ashton bus from its current Terminus to a new Terminus at the Ravenswood Metro station along Lauren's Avenue, um, the proposed uh, extension is an excellent example of practical small changes that the CTA and C dot can and should be implementing Citywide and systemwide to make the CTA bus system work better for residents and writers. Um, we believe this will be a model worth replicating and we're excited to support this extension. Um, this extension is going to put 21,000 additional people within the travel shed of this bus route and additionally It's going to create a critical multimodal connection at the Ravenswood Metro station. Um by connecting Riders to the Metro's Union Pacific North Line, um, and it is sound and it also is going to connect many more residents to significant commercial development along Ravenswood and Lawrence Avenue, uh in the neighborhood We likewise want to commend the CTA and C dot for working together to advance this and other bus and Transit projects. We support the installation of a new bus bulbs, which are enhanced bus stops as part of the simultaneous simultaneous Ashland resurfacing project. Just checking my time. Um, this will not only increase and enhance operations on the CTA bus route. It will also improve safety for pedestrians and cyclists as well as drivers alike. So overall this is a really good. Um smaller scale project to see and we would really love to see more work like this done throughout the city. Um, additionally we want to note that we believe that this is a this extension should be a model for the future. Um last week the CTA announced its bus Vision, uh bus visioning project which will identify service changes and new routings, uh, new route options systemwide this small and practical change proposed for the number 9 Ashen bus, um is needed across the system to approve service and expand Mobility. There are a lot of spaces where there are misconnections throughout the system. Um, I would also like to note that although we uh anticipate that there's going to be some opposition to this extension. We have noted a huge out outpouring of support, um for this extension. In fact many people have been asking for it to go even further than the proposed extension and ending in uh, Andersonville. We encourage the CTA and C Dot and city council members to take advantage of this moment and continue building up the city. These transportation system and we encourage you to vote Yes to advance this to the full city council and make sure that the CTA can implement this extension in August. Um, and we and we would also like to thank Alderman Martin and his staff, uh for working to get this done and continuing to invest heavily in transit. Thank you, Mr. Parris. as me 10 10 V followed by Amy Renshaw Good afternoon. Uh, my name is named tanir. I'm a a mom and a board member on, um, better Street Chicago. Um, I came to uh, speak in support of the Ashland bus in can speak. I'm so sorry. Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay. Um, I came to uh, speak in support of the Ashland bus extension to Ravenswood. Um, so I personally have taken the 9, uh, quite a few times to visit a friend who lives in uh, Buena Park where you used to live in boner Park, uh, now that friend is an in uptown and um coming from the West leap or going uh to the West Loop. There's really um, not really great options. You really have to go into the loop and then back out again. So my friend usually ends up taking a ride hail and by taking a ride hill he's another car on the road. He's adding more traffic, um to the neighborhoods and same for me I would um so much appreciate to have the Number 9 extension so that I would be able to along with my family, um be able to get on the bus and just go straight up. Um, to where he is, um, and I just uh, really look forward to more options that allow um families people to get from place to place without necessarily have to having to go in and out. Um, we have we make a lot of trips to see family and friends to go to restaurants to visit all of the other neighborhoods in the city. Um, and it would be in it's very encouraging to see an extension like this, um be part of a plan to make it easier to just get around generally, um for me as a parent, you know, as a new parent, um, not owning a car being able to take the bus and and be able to get uh different places on public transport, um is really important financially, um, even if you can technically afford a car, um as my family can uh, it it's really a huge huge chunk of you know, what it costs to pay for child care what it costs to um, raise the child. Um, so us as a city making that possible for more families, um means that more families can afford to stay in Chicago to raise their families here. Um, and it makes a big difference for our futures. Um, thank you. Thank you Miss Tamir. Um next week Amy Renshaw followed by Jack Warren All right. Mr. Warren hey everybody. members of the committee on transportation and public way My name is Jack Warren and I'm a lead for urban environmentalists and a street team advocate for active Transportation Alliance. My passion is fighting for housing and reliable transportation for all Chicagoans. Let's talk about where we are as a city. According to the last census Chicago added 4 cars for every resident in the last decade. The results are clear. We now have the worst congestion in North America and the fifth worst in the world. Chicago winds now spend over 150 hours sitting in traffic resulting in loss productivity environmental degradation and human misery. Not to mention new car leases are averaging 735 a month burdening Chicagoans with more expenses that most can barely afford. The solution is simple provide more Transit options like the Ashlyn bus extension. The Ashlyn bus is already 1 of the crown jewels of the CTA system clocking in more than 4.3 million rides last year alone. The extension will fill a large gap in north south bus coverage provide direct connections to the Metro up north the 78 Montrose bus and the 81 Lawrence bus routes. In addition, it will expand Transit access to over 21,000 residents and 15,000 jobs put plainly it will result in more customers more money for local businesses and a more prosperous neighborhoods. The only way to relieve our congestion problem is to give people another alternative to car ownership and the Ashlyn bus extension does just that because at the end of the day your you aren't stuck in traffic you are a traffic. Thank you. Going to do all that. Thank you Mr. War. Uh, so with that. Yeah, we try to do that. We try to do that next week. Next public speaker will be Jamie. little Meyer followed by yaha late again. That's public speaker. marzu I email it over check the fact. Hello everybody. My name is Maja sasak, and I live on Ashland for 28 years. Um, okay. Hello everybody. My name is Maja sasak, and I live in a neighborhood on Ashland for 28 years. Um, I'm not against the um extension of the bus. Um, I use the bus sometimes but again, I'm against removing the um f 5 Town. Um, Sign on Ashland, um 2 years ago. We were um, we had to pay $50,000 for renewal of our redo our house because uh the school that was built next to us was uh, The construction of the school damage our house so much and we still have another 50,000 to uh, do some other constructions we which we can afford the basis of our houses and the whole Ashland area. The whole construction is really uh constructed on the sand. So if you're going to put all those buses, I suggest that you have special engineers and try to decide what kind of surface is an Ashland right now an Ashland you find a lot of holes and we don't even have big cars going up there. So if you're going to have buses going all the time, do you know how many times you're going to come and fix the surface of the streets? And the houses are already thinking our houses are old houses, and I'm not saying we are the owners we part of the neighborhood and who's going to pay for this. I have pictures and our neighbors who have old pictures of the holes on the top of it. The reds are coming into this Halls. That's another issue. So these are additional issues. I think it will be good to check into the surface of Ashland before you guys decide to put the Ashland bus and taking the 5 ton. Um sign off the streets. This is my concern and all our neighbors that have all their houses on Ashland regardless of if we're using this or not using the bus as much I think it's just the surface that we are afraid of when you leave in our houses. We hear the the cars going by if we going to have the buses going plus 24 hour bus routes the uh, Metro doesn't go 24 hours. So it's like additional issues that I have. But thank you very much. Very good. Very good. Very good and accurate. Thank you for that. um See that who's here from C Dot? Who who's here from Cedar? Okay, uh I not see. But I'm with CTA. I'm the chief planning and Innovation officer, okay? Okay, I'll I'll make sure I talked with um about that. That's true because that happened on 72nd in eastern with 2 people houses, too. All right, our next our next public speaker is Jordan followed by Jeff G. Speaks and sound dropped out. Good morning, council members and good morning. Alderman Martin. Um, I am Jordan I am a resident who is also on Ashland. I actually live right next door to Marsha who had just spoke. Um, she highlighted a number of things that residents on Ashland are concerned about and I just want to put in the record as a framing mechanism. It's hard for me to say, I'm either for or against I'm not I'm not opposed to this bus extension. I'm all about serving the community. I have been on committees for green spaces for affordable housing for public transit, um with Alderman Martin's office with his prior, uh, uh representation in the 47th Ward. I am not opposed to this. I am opposed to the way in which this has been done. Uh, and I really have 3 points that I want to make the first 1 is about the emphasis in the 47th Ward historically has been on participatory governance. I have not seen any of that with this project. Um, this was put in a newsletter. At the end of May there was a public meeting 2 weeks later, which basically informed us that this is going to happen that this is something that has already been determined. We had concerns we showed up to that public meeting. We voiced our concerns. I have submitted an um professor of aldermen, uh, Martin knows uh of our concerns. I've detailed it in a letter. I've also submitted it to the committee. Um, the process issue I feel is very problematic. Um, the word knows who the residents on Ashland are we email them because of issues with the street. There are voids in the street. There are curbs that are coming apart. The median has been destroyed. Um, it is just not infrastructure that can support the tonnage of buses right now. Um, there is talk about repaving in 2025 of Ashland and it is acknowledged that that is necessary. But the bus is going to start in August when those structural issues haven't been handled we have asked for the traffic studies and the supporting documents that have gone into this plan to run it up Ashlyn starting in August and we haven't seen them. The second issue. I want to raise is the 5 ton limit that has been um for as long as my neighbors who have been in the neighborhood 20 30 years remember and know that there has been a posted sign for 5 tons on our portion of Ashlyn that starts from Montrose up to Lawrence in the public meeting. Some of us ask questions. Um, it appeared no 1 know how those signs got there. It's Seems the municipal code actually knows how those signs get there. The city council has to vote on it. Um, and so if those are to be taken down, I want to know what the process is and I have asked Alderman Martin this question. I'm still waiting an answer on that the other issue and I'll end with this is just the state of that street. It is falling apart. It has been ripped open for sewer lines. Um, it has been um subject to massive like gaping holes 12 inches deep in some spaces. The street is falling apart. What we're asking is make sure it is supported make sure it can handle these buses before we start them down the street. Thank you. Thank you, Jordan. Um. Our last public speaker is Jeff G. First, uh, thank you for providing this opportunity for those living along the proposed Ashlyn bus route to have a voice as a committee. We look to you to provide important checks and balances to make sure the loudest voices don't drown out a group of people who have asked critical questions and not gotten answers. I'm speaking on behalf of at least 25 homeowners along the Route who feel we've been entirely dismissed. I'm a lifelong chicagoan. I've lived on National for 15 years. I believe the Ashland bus extension can be an improvement that supports our neighborhood, but respectfully ask that you pause this decision. Until we receive a formal response from Chicago's Department of Transportation. uh personally I've experienced firsthand the vibrations from passing traffic on our building in 2010 the alderman at the time worked with C dot to remediate the problem. We want to Assurance. The past issues won't repeat since this stretch of road has never supported bus traffic. We've tried to work in good faith with Aldrin and Martin, but our questions have gone unanswered. This is concerning because his office was not aware of the prior Street history before the decision to extend the route was made your pause on the authorization will allow for 2 important things 1 allow the experts at C dot to formally evaluate the prior Street issue along Ashlyn, including a review of 3111 calls and determine if the repetitive bus traffic will cause prior issues to return 2, give residents living along Wilson the assurance that their infrastructure is in place for the westbound routing something that this authorization will allow for the first time and an opportunity to provide input in the stops that are so close to the end of the route. Why is this so important for the experts to weigh in? In my written feedback to the committee. I provided pictures of Street deficiencies that send alarm signals to Residents and you've heard from some of that today. This includes a significant depression in the road less than 15 feet from the proposed bus stop at Montrose which has gotten worse in the last month near that spot is an area where asphalt had to be patched multiple times after a gas leak repair the original Road repair started sinking and had to be replaced a second time. Now that repair is sinking again. I also reported a hole under the road service on the curb Lane. That was a foot deep indicative of erosion under the road surface for all these issues and more. We asked the committee to wait until seed dot formerly investigates and provides details on how this decision to proceed was made. I'm not a road expert the people in this room are not Road experts except for the C dot people. Uh, but the engineers at C dot are C dot was not part of the 1 meeting the alderman held in early June. Show us the city takes the safety of the street and underlying utilities seriously show taxpayers. You took steps to reduce the risk with a formal formal review by C dot wait to authorize this rushed plan and make sure this proposal is executed properly. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. Um, this concludes the uh public comment period but before we proceed with the meeting for those of you who who um who have concerns about the structural Integrity of the streets alone that route I will bring that to C Dot's attention and have them and work with the uh Alderman with that traverses their Awards to look into that because I have the same situation in my work, so I will do that. This is Texas. Support we actually do have 1 more speaker on Zoom. Michael McLean All right. Okay, go ahead Mr. McLean. press star 6 to unmute Um, hi. Can you hear me? Speak up, please. Um, hi. Can you this is Michael? I'm calling in for my phone. Can you hear me? Yes. All right, great. Um, so I'm I'm a resident um in the 302 board representative by Alderman waguespack, um resident on the North side. I'm I'm a car-free resident. I rely on the bus and my bike to get around. Um, I'm calling in to support the Ashlyn 9 bus extension. Um, I ride at regularly and the extension will open up a lot of new different kinds of Transit trips that I can take around Chicago and I will be visiting the area around the extension a lot more when it happens. Um, the second thing I wanted to comment on is that this this extension is really exciting to me because it opens up the possibility of more extensions and more Visionary action like this across the city. Um, most notably in my ward in the 302nd ward. I'm very interested in the reactivation of the 41 Clybourn bus this bus, um, the term the service was terminated in 1997, I believe but since then we've built South literally thousands of homes in this Corridor, I think that CTA should restore this bus service and gain new ridership in this Corridor, especially as um, massive developments are going up in this area that I I also fully support. Um, I want as much housing density in this city as possible and I would really like to have sustainable transportation for our new Chicago residents in this Corridor. So please reactivate the 41 cyborg bus Um, and I would love to see Alderman wages back push for that. The third thing I wanted to mention and this is my final comment is that I am in I am dismayed by the state of the redefined the drive project on the lakefront. the Illinois House in the Illinois Senate have both passed resolutions calling on I not to go back to the drawing board and generate a Boulevard design that implements a traffic diet and removal of lanes of traffic on the lakefront. I fully support the Illinois General general assembly in their resolutions to do this. multiple, um aldermen have also authored a letter calling on I dot to Halt work on this project until a design is generated that the prioritizes transit and active Mobility. I've been to these meetings in idot has systematically excluded Transit priority in this Corridor and it is dismaying to me. Yeah this committee. Please call a special hearing for this project in call Secretary Omar Osman and C dot commissioner Tom Carney to talk about what they will do to prioritize transit in this Corridor and cut Lanes of traffic away to make this a quiet and pleasant place to be the lakefront is our gem. It's our Crown Jewel in this city, and it deserves better than what I got and plans to deliver next month. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. McLean. All right, now that con officially concludes the public comment period progressing with the agenda first item. I move to approve the rule 45 report for the committee on transportation and public way meeting held on June 5th 2024. Can I get a motion to recommend approval of this item? Order and Mosley. So moves on the motion all in favor say I I those opposed no in the opinion of the chair the eyes have it. Today we have 6 items on the agenda. I'll be before I want to recognize non-member, uh, uh chairman Matt Martin as a non-member of this committee. um today we have 6 items on the agenda page 2 and 3 includes 14 Ordnance and 1 Amendment for miscellaneous items introduced by the local alumni from Ward. 627333436. and 47. Can I can I get a motion to approve uh recommend approval of these items? Ottoman wages back so moves on the motion all in favor. Say I oppose know in the opinion of the chair the eyes have it now page 4 item 1 the installation of CTA bus routes on routes on portions of North Ashland Avenue in North Ravenswood Avenue ordinance. 20224000000 98100 consent and permission of the city of Chicago is hereby given to CTA a municipal Corporation to install maintain and operate a bus route on Ashton Avenue Northbound from Urban Park Road to Wilson Avenue in southbound Lawrence Avenue to Urban Park Road. Also on Ravenswood Avenue Northbound Leland Avenue to Lawrence Avenue this property Uh this property, um, this this route traverses through the 47th war and here to speak. We have Molly Molly Pope Chief planning and Innovation officer CTA. We also have John czerwinski director planning service planning and traffic engineering and Kathleen would off also from CTA. Good afternoon chairman. Uh, thank you very much for having us. I am Molly Poppy. I am the chief planning and Innovation officer. All right, sir, uh at CTA and we are here to present on the Ashlan Avenue, uh route extension. My colleague John schinsky is going to walk through some details about the route. Uh, but I do want to call out a few notes about the route because I think that this is is something that's really important to CTA and important to the community as CTA continues to recover from coid and continue to look at how we expand and how we improve our overall service these types of extensions are something we want to continue to uh, work on and continue to work with the community and we really applaud uh, Alder Martin for his support in this Innovative approach because this is something that is going to unlock uh access to a thousand Riders a day and also more uh improved by 100% the access to jobs that's going to go from about uh, 15,600 access, uh jobs available through the Ashland Avenue route. To uh, 30 over 30,000 jobs, uh, that will be accessible by the Ashland Avenue Extension. It also represents an important integration that we're working on with Metro. Uh, we continue to hear from the community that they want those, uh, multimodal points between CTA and Metra and pace and this is a really critical step that allows us through a a 1 mile extension to achieve that integration. Uh, and then I would also note Alderman Mitchell, uh, our chairman Mitchell we do have information from C dot we did follow up with C dot following the committee meeting, uh, that my team did attend with uh, Alder Mitchell regarding the condition on Ashland Avenue and also regarding, uh, the 5 tonne signage so very specifically we did ask, uh C Dot and commissioner Kearney and uh, the managing Deputy Commissioner responded and and we asked them about the structural Integrity Integrity of Ashland Avenue, uh C dot said that did not identify any records indicating structural pavement concerns on North Ashland Avenue between In Irving Park to Clark, uh, additionally when we asked them about the weight limit signs, uh, and whether those did apply to CTA buses, uh, the weight limit sign that does exist on that particular portion of Ashlan Avenue was installed in in 1982. Uh, and what that does apply to it's an r52 sign, uh, and that really applies to uh trucks moving through the area does not apply to commercial vehicles specifically, it does not apply to Vehicles who are delivering or picking up which is very specifically what CTA is doing uh, so I just wanted to be very clear that we did have a partnership with C. Do we have been working with C dot on this? Um and has been mentioned previously. They also are going to pick up Ashlan Avenue as part of their regular arterial resurfacing, uh, next year. Uh, and so we we do have a strong partnership with C do and did want to make sure that they were supportive of this extension and they have been supportive and have provided us the appropriate analysis to indicate that they are comfortable with our buses operating on Ashland Avenue. With that John do you want to run through? Uh the deck really quick? Yep, but before you before you do that, um, the the Based on your experience. Yeah, um, how many buses in what time intervals do you think this would need to accommodate this route? So hey, um, go ahead the buses run, um about every 6 to 15 minutes throughout the day. Um, so, you know for up to 10 buses per hour. Okay, so when that be in the max period the max period so when you spoke with C dot the I you you talked about the opinions on the current stat State the Dale Pine on how that frequency and that addition those additional, uh, traffic would affect the Integrity of the of the of the uh Street. Yeah, so we provided the information on the extension and and what was going to be the additional service and so that was the the response that we did get back from them. Okay. All righty. Um, all right now we're gonna have to figure out how to share screen here. We have tech support in the room. Yeah. Get to the we are unable to share screen. It's not that screen. There we go. Oh, it's up. It's moving its up on yours. Okay. Okay, so I will move it for you. Uh, and uh, John is gonna speak to it. Okay. So, um, just some background the Ashlyn route currently runs north to Irving Park Road and terminates on Clark Street just north of Irving Park. Um, and as as someone mentioned this it's been doing this for a long time that we inherited this terminal from the Chicago surface lines, which ran Street Car Service up here all the way back to 1912. Um 1 1 issue with this routing is it does leave a large gap of north south bus service North of Irving Park Road, really Damon is the farthest east route that runs directly north south. So that's you know, that's a hole in the network that we've heard about from our our customers for a while. Um, so the planned extension would take the Ashland route North to Lawrence, um terminating at the Ravenswood Metro station has has been mentioned on Ravenswood just south of Lawrence. Um, and this will provide expanded coverage and you know, improve connections to our customers. It's also going to help address some operational, uh challenges at the current terminal. Um, and service on the rest of the Ashlyn routes going to stay the same as it is today. We're basically just extending the existing trips for the north. So, um people for their South won't see any reduction in service and the plan implementation will be on August 25th. Um, and then I just want to talk a little about some of the um proposed benefits that that will expect to see in some of these have been touched on. Um, we will be closing that large north south Gap, um north of Irving Park Road, we're going to greatly ex expand the access to um, the number 9 bus, um for over 21,000 residents and over 15,000 jobs will have access to this route. Um, and I think that's an important point because you know, people living all throughout the city the Ashland bus runs all the way down to 103 Street we'll have access to this direct access to this area now and can access those 15,000 plus jobs directly. So this will this will be a benefit to the entire. Um, Ashlyn Corridor. Um, it'll also expand Transit connections, um throughout the city and region, um the connection to the Metro up north line which um, will you know expand Regional connections all the way up to? The Wisconsin border actually, um, the number 78 Montrose and number 81 Lawrence buses will improve improve people's connections so they can get across the city east west. So this will greatly expand connections for people. Um, so that's that's that's what we have and you know, we're happy to answer any other questions. All right, um at this point, I would open it up for members with questions. You close it. back Uh, thank you chairman. Um the it sounds like you're trying to address this issue for the residents that were here Jordan, um, Jeff and um the other couple people but um proceed for CTA. Do you guys have any other extensions like this on the table? Um in particular on the south and west side of the city, it's something that we're continuing to look at. You know, Ashlan Avenue was was the first step. We had a partner in Alder Martin, but we're looking for Partners at uh at city council to help us identify where they're hearing from their communities that they want these extensions and we want to continue to approach these not just at National Avenue. We want to look all across the city and that's um, I mean, obviously you're working with Metro on this 1 but um, you know, and I Side you guys had a a pretty substantial meeting in terms of funding which would impact some of these issues. But um, are you in discussions then with Metra and with Pace, uh, other than just the alderman, you know just discussions with their leadership on those locations. Yes. We are. We actually worked with Metro to improve the bathroom as well. So there's actually a better bathroom for our bus operators who will be laying over at that location. So there was a partnership with Metro and that uh, where there's a shared facility there, uh, additionally we continue to work with Metro and Pace especially Pace as we look at overlapping routes and where we may be able to better serve especially as you think about Pace, uh, that service is 955 Street Terminal, uh, we continue to work with them on how we can improve service with them. Yeah, and I I appreciate all the work you guys did on the red line extension to I was thinking outside of that more particularly with the buses, but um glad that's moving forward as well. So, thank you. Thank you for your responses. Thank you. Okay, um Vice chair Vasquez Uh, thank you. Thank you very much. Um, I I think looking in the plan, I'm just a little disappointed, uh, only because we want it to be extended further to the Peterson Ridge Metro, but I really want to commend, uh, the partnership of alderman Martin and you all um, and really have these conversations. Uh, I really do appreciate and and would love to the chair to get more of the contact information because uh, you know, when we're looking at, you know, I was kind of joking but the Peterson Ridge Metro station Lincoln Avenue Peterson itself as a bus now that the metro station is there. I think there's um different factors on the Ground that sometimes the altars might see and can help it kind of initiate the conversations. So knowing the process and who to reach out to would be um important. So, uh, yeah. No, I'll be absolutely in support of this. Um also I know because we've been talking to C dot uh a lot. We're actually going through a whole bunch of arterial resurfacing throughout the all the different streets. So in 40 throughout 40 and extended I think in a 47 in other words, uh, Ashlyn Damon Ravenswood Western California are all being resurfaced. Uh, they're all having new pedestrians safe intersections added infrastructure for that as well. So, um, I think to the question about the Integrity of of Ashton itself as a road seeing it, uh, be resurfaced and address some of it this year. I think helps helps to Hopefully, um calm some of the concern but I do recognize like, um something that I learned from. Uh 1 of our our past colleagues, uh, Alderman Harry Osterman that I carry with me, um is that you know, everyone wants to see progress, but nobody likes seeing change. And so I think that is a lot of what we recognize here. Everyone wants to see the streets fixed. Nobody wants to see the streets fixed. And so I think what's being done here is an improvement that benefits not only uh, folks in the 40th Ward, but our 47th and 40th, but folks the city that need to get to work that need to get to the people. They want to connect with through a lot of different means and so I would also encourage our colleagues to support I will be in support. Thank you very much. Thank you Vice chair chairman Rodriguez. Uh, thank you Mr. Chair. Um and thank you, uh, uh Alderman waguespack, um for bringing up the South and West sides. I want to put on the table 47th Street bus, uh, right around cicer Avenue, we're talking about a significant black brown and ethnic White Community there. It's a diverse Community. Um, and it's an interchange towards the the Midway Airport, uh, and we are lacking we need an extension there. So putting that on a table I have senior living homes independent living homes there, um, and they've asked me time and again for that extension, so I'm glad uh, the aldermen brought that up and I'm glad I'm getting nods. So maybe we'll be back happy to connect with you after this. Absolutely. Um, could you go back 1 slide? Yeah. I think it's 1 slide. Uh, yes, so my understanding here is on Irving Park Road is where the current uh, Ashton bus stops. And then there's this black kind of dotted line is the turnaround, right? Are there any stops in this route? Um, yes there there's a couple stops there. Okay, uh, I'm just curious as to how you know, if if those folks were taken into consideration and like what how their service will be interrupted. Yeah. No, they they were um, 1 1 thing is there is the Clark Street bus which runs um along Clark in that area. So they'll maintain service with that route. Um, and then you know, they're also um, all the routes are either along or all the stops that are either along Irving Park or Close serving Parts. There's also the Irving Park bus I'm serving that area and also just people who will need to you know. Travel West to Ashland. It's a pretty short walk. Um the the cemeteries on 1 side. So there's no 1 on the other side of Clark Street. So, you know at most it's 1 to 2 blocks to get to the nearest, um, stop on the extended on the extended route. So I think the impact should be pretty minimal. Right and then the potential for increased ridership along this whole swap of residency would far out strips of this other issue, but I was concerned about that number of individuals but it does sound given the services there. It does seem uh to be saturated in some respects. Um, I look I there's there's absolutely no way I would ever be against this. This is this there there are issues that need to be addressed but They're not to the extent of stopping this and nowhere near it. So, uh, I congratulate those who are working on this and I want to make sure though that those uh who have challenges still get heard and and those issues get addressed. But um, you know largely speaking kudos. Thank you. Thank you, Jamie. Um any more members, uh have any Questions more questions. Um before I let non-member mad Martin who's you know, who's the sponsor of this? I I want to uh request a couple items through the chair 1. Can you can you provide the criteria that c dot uses when they're looking at expanding bus routes. Um, Because I I do know uh in the past a lot of them have wanted to expand bus routes but uh, you guys did some type of analysis and know some a lot of those were turned down. So I want to know what you guys require criteria is so do you so there's the C dot criteria that have to do more with Street conditions and then there's CTA criteria that do with ridership CTA condition with with that first and um, I'm going to work with uh with uh, chairman Martin on some things. Um, he's a member of the black cocks. So I there's some things I know and I want to make sure he he's he knows some how to handle some things going forward because I do have a uh a concern with how we move. Let me just say this resurfacing doesn't fix all the problems. So let me let me let me say that and I hope that uh, you know, it won't when when when do you expect to have this when it when is the deadline when when is your ETA for having this right extended? Yeah. So, uh, it is going to go effective August 25th, which is goes live with our fall pick. So when our operators are selecting which routes they operate, uh, that's when it will go live. Uh, if we do not make the if if this is not approved we will not make the August 25th, uh pick and so therefore we would be delayed all the way to December or January, uh, because we have to do it with our scheduled with our schedule changes with the operator, okay? All right. All right. I'm gonna I offline I'll have conversation with both SeaTac Inn in Martin and talk about a few things because I would hate to you guys to rush and put it in place and then there's some issues that happens particularly if you resurface it and expand that line the heat from the buses are going to melt that reserving if you don't have the buzz pads, I want to make sure he has an opportunity to get bus pass put in at each stop and things like that. So there's a lot of things I want to talk about and to the point. I see some heads nodding your your your your concerns did not fall on deaf ears. So we will work with the whole to do this and from this from the chair, I won't I'm encouraging not to be rushed because I would like for it to be done the right way. Um, so The issues that I've experienced in the past my colleague won't have to experience them as well. Okay, so through the chair the the uh, criteria for extending bus routes. Um, and the other thing is Uh, do you do you guys I know it's up to C do with respect to the infrastructure. What part do you guys play in that industry any at all from a monetary standpoint? Do you pay for anything? What so uh regular archery surfacing we do not uh, but when we do talk about bus infrastructure improvements, we regularly do work together and pull our resources. So a lot of times for example, we're going through and making uh more bus stops Ada accessible. And so that's something that is is shared, uh coordination that we have. We identify the bus stops. We also work on the funding for that. Similarly you've heard about better streets for buses, which is also a shared project, uh, where we identify areas that need bus infrastructure and we do work to share the cost on that. So there is cost sharing but I would say on our arterial resurfacing. Uh, CTA is is happy for C dot to cover those costs. Yeah I can imagine. Yeah. Okay. All right. I won't I won't be able to point here. Um, I just wanted the the the people that live in the neighborhood it, you know, your cry your concerns didn't fall on deaf ears. I think it's excellent that that that you're working. all know the some things need to be looked at to make sure that the residents are good situation. So I'll be working on that. You have my word. All right. So with that said I'll leave it. Uh last to close with Matt Martin Martin. You can yeah you want to come. Thank you committee members and thank you chairman. First of all, I just wanted to thank you chairman earlier today for your commitment to working with me on these issues. Uh, we did receive earlier this week and C dot forwarded or or CTA forwarded to me, uh answers to the issues that the residents had flagged. We will uh, share that in writing. Uh, not just what their results were, but also the input, uh, that those uh opinions were relied on so that you all continue to have uh, your answers, uh, your questions answered we will um, uh also make sure that we're working with CTA in terms of uh, ensuring that we can work within that August timeline as much as possible but also as as we discussed offline the you all are not uh, wanting to move forward with something where there are structural concerns valid constructional concern, Concerns um, uh that have been flagged. So, uh, I appreciate the opportunity to work with you chairman understand what other parts of the city might have experienced so that we can avoid that moving forward because at the end of the day if we do need to wait several months to have C dot give this additional look or to have issues addressed. Um, we will of course do that because we want to make sure that we are are setting ourselves up for Success mid and long-term. Um, I do want to also note and commend C dot your work in terms of a lot of issues that were flagged by a number of residents in terms of why this particular route why stops in particular areas, could we put in um, uh additional traffic signal issues, um, uh in terms of left-hand turn arrows and other things working through that so clearly there are a lot of issues that still need to be finalized. There's a possibility that we do that before the the August 25th deadline. Um, hopefully we can do that in time to have this important service provided if we do need to wait several additional months. Uh to be able to take care of these Loose Ends. Um, I know you all are committed to do that see dots committed to do that as well as the committee. So, um with that I would ask the committee's favorable consideration and thank you again chairman. right if there are no more questions, um for the witnesses, um, can I get a motion from um, uh Can I get a motion from from chairman Martin? Uh for approval of this items. Oh, okay. All right. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right. Can I get a motion by Vice chairman Vasquez and for approval of this item? On the motion all in favor. Say I I those opposed no. And the opinion of the chair the eyes have it. All right, moving along page 5 item 1 proposed pedestrian bridge easement for Northwestern Memorial Hospital ordinance. 202400000000 9353 a proposed long-term easement for a pedestrian bridge over East Erie Street between North St. Clair Street and North Fairbanks Court. This is located in the second ward here to speak. We have Sarah spanskih project manager. manager Yeah, you told him yeah. Yeah, man. Okay. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the committee. My name is Sarah spanskih and I am a planning and construction project manager with Northwestern Memorial Healthcare. I'm appearing before you today in support of our project consisting of a pedestrian bridge spanning over East Erie Street between North St. Clair and North Fairbanks Court. This bridge will connect Northwestern Memorial Healthcare to 633 North St. Clair Street. This pedestrian bridge will be supported from the 2 existing building structures on either side and will not require columns in the roadway or the sidewalk. This bridge will be able to serve the public our patients and our staff by providing safe access above the Rodeway Rodeway. Excuse me, therefore lessening pedestrian Crossings on Erie Street. We have a letter dated June 10th from Alderman Hopkins recognizing his support for our efforts. Thank you Alderman Hopkins. Um This concludes my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions that the chair or members of the committee may have and look forward to your favorable consideration. Oh. Jaime Vasquez Vice chairman Vasquez, it's okay. I I thank you. I I couldn't help myself, uh as much as we always talk about Building Bridges. I'm glad we could help do 1 here, so I'll be in support. Thank you very much. Yeah, just a quick uh ottoman. Why is this back? Um might be more of a an issue for law. But um, what legal issues around doing a a bridge like this over the public way. What are what are the 1 or 2? Uh Obstacles that um are presented legally for something over the public way like this that that you look at uh, John McDonald Law Department. Um, What are the challenges um, we followed a lot of forms. So a lot of the challenges of the past have been ironed out. Okay. Um it is uh, Dedicated property held in trust for the people of the state of Illinois. Um, the use has to be analyzed. Uh from that perspective so we don't run it file the public trust. I believe there was significant public benefits to this, uh, by bringing, uh foot traffic, um, uh grade separated from the vehicles, uh, significantly congested areas in this Does serve the public interest so there was an aligning of the interests. Um, I don't know that there were any legal issues as the the medical aspect of it playing into that at all. Yeah. I mean there was a public benefit in that public benefit in the sense that uh, you know, the uh District does serve, uh provide, you know Medical Care and you know the city okay, I I was just curious because we've seen this before with a couple other locations where we've had Bridge proposals that I think we saw a push back on 1 INF or famous 1 was the Cubs if you I don't know if you worked on that 1, uh, not that 1 a few years ago. But yeah, you could say no, um, but I was just curious what the legal hurdles are up front when you get a proposal like this and then you review do it and that seems what along the lines of what I was thinking too that the public use and the the benefit to that so this is CDS program for uh, uh, No compensation, uh grants. Um, for uh charitable and similar organizations, um, Northwestern Memorial Hospital and Northwestern Memorial Healthcare our Not even close to your table yet. Yeah, that would be that would be for uh, uh C dot to interpret their program for recommending obviously, it's the action of the city council that right, you know. Okay determines. So thank you very much. I appreciate that. Sorry to interrupt on that 1 but this has been a no. No, that's what we hear from that problem. Wanted to cover. Thank you very much. Both of you. All right. I'll make a motion to pass if unless there's any other questions from Members. All right before before I before I entertain that motion, the committee has received and reviewed a letter of support from from ottoman Hopkins. There's no compensation due on this project. Um on uh a on Alderman wage of specs motion to recommend approval of this item on the can I all in favor say I oppose know in the opinion of the chair the eyes have it. Thank you. Uh All right moving along page 5 item 2. time extensions dedication of row from Prairie Shores LLC ordinance 202400100087 a Time extension ordinance for proposed new dedication supports of South Cottage Grove Avenue West 30th Street and South Vernon Avenue due to extenuating circumstances. The previously approved ordinance will not be able to be recorded by the November 2024 deadline. So the ordinance is being extended the property is located in the fourth ward here to speak. We have Jennifer bransfield Brent. No, no, no brands. bransfield and Scott Borstein attorney Neil in Leroy LLC. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um Scott Borstein a partner at Neil and Leroy here in Chicago here on behalf of grit, which is Uh the developer of the former micro Reese Hospital site. Um, this is this is a sort of a cleanup kind of uh, ordinance 3 years ago, uh the areas that you see in green or dedicated, um pursuant to this new roadway, uh, um plan for the area. Uh, but uh, they they knew given the complications and all the issues related to a project of this size. Um, they were going to need a significant amount of time. Before they actually recorded, um the ordinance and there are certain things that have to happen before the recording certain infrastructure that has to be uh built out. And while the applicant is doing some of those things they have not reached the point where they've been able to conclude, um, the public improvements and so as a result, um, we're going to need additional time, uh, in order to do those improvements and then legally effectuate the dedication that you see in green. So we we've asked for an additional 2 years approximately to complete that work. Um, we've briefed the alderman we've talked to sedat. Uh, and we've got everybody's support or no objections. And so, um, we've got Jennifer here, uh from grit, uh, if you had any further questions, but that's all this is is just to extend the time to record the dedication ordinance which by the way Is passed already Council? It's just right hasn't been recorded. Yeah. so if there's no questions, uh on this item what moves do pass On the motion all in favor. Say I those opposed no in the opinion of the chair the eyes have it? Thank you. Thank you so much. page 5 item 3 1685 North troop LLC 6705 South Wentworth LLC and Troop developer Uh ordinance 202400001051. a proposed vacation of a 40 foot East West wide segment of unnamed right away between West Marquette Road South Wentworth Avenue South Perry Avenue and West 68th Street as obligated under a 2018 agreement between the city of Chicago by and through his Department of 2 FM and dpd and the above named uh related developers. This property is located in the 6 W here to speak on this item. We have Chris jeng assistant commissioner dpd. Which try this is? Yeah. I got. You you already started. Yeah, we don't anymore. I don't think Good afternoon, uh, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee for the record. My name is Chris Jiang assistant commissioner from Department of development Planning and Development. Um, The ordinance before you would authorize the department Planning and Development to vacate approximately 6,700 square feet. of east west right away bounded by South bendor Avenue to the West South Perry Avenue to the east west Marquette road to the north and West 68th Street to the South. I don't know why it's not opening. but um This is more of a cleanup ordinance. Um, so back in December of 2017 the city entered into an agreement to sell. Um, and redevelop, uh, a a city-owned land, uh at this location and at that time 1 of the conditions was that to be the city would actually complete the vacation of this right away. Um, Um in order for us to kind of transfer fully transfer and meet all the the title. Um, Uh requirements. Um, so we are um here today to um to propose that ordinance, uh, passed to vacate that street, or right away, um, and to fulfill the the requirements under the purchase and sale agreement, uh between um, the city and 6705 South Wentworth LLC. Property is located in the Sixth Ward and Alderman Hall supports the project um and proposed to Vacation. Um if you have any questions, Yeah, thank you for that. I do have a question. So who or what is 6705 South Wentworth? And what are they proposing to do? So we do not so the purchase and sale agreement provided 10 years for them to um to come up with a plan. Um that was back in 2017. So they have until 2027 to come up with a plan, uh a proposal to re redevelop the site if they don't do you resend the uh effects of the shortages? Um, so I'm not uh to clear on what the the default with them the the remedy is but um, I believe there is a there is a there's a remedy uh clause in the in the purchase and sale argument. So okay. I have a question. Okay. Can can you do something? Um, can you get get get provide Clarity on that? Sure and also, um Even though we have a letter of support from Alderman Hall, can you make sure he understands the whole thing? Please make sure sure okay. All right with that, um, okay and watch this back. Thank you chairman. Um Chris was this so 1685 North troop is uh owned by Sterling Bay, correct. So this is related to the whole Link in yards swap where 1685 through used to be city-owned property. That was the um, basically repair facility for the city. And this was done as part of that swap with uh, the whole link and Yards Project. Correct? Correct? 56 what you're saying? Yeah, we sold the true property to to Sterling Bay. Yeah and this purchase and sale agreement actually covers that as well. Okay. Um, so this is another like a piece of that purchase sale agreement. Yeah. So, um, there is a new 2fm maintenance facility that was recently built as a result of this land swap. Um, if you will, um on on just the west side of this location that we're that we're discussing today. Okay, so does uh, and maybe this is just what the Chairman's looking forward to but does the 10-year uh time limit or time frame on this also, uh extend to the link in Yards Project. I thought they were both tied together. And if they do not complete obviously that portion of it they have I know in that agreement they have a certain time line that they have to finish by or some other legal actions, uh start to take place and that that's what you're saying here is that they have a 10 year. Time frame. I know they have a 10 year period to propose to come up with a a plan proposed. Um at this location. I am not really certain what timeline they have on the troop side. I think it I think it was relative to this. Um I'd have to go back and look through the stacks of documents. But um, I appreciate going through that. I I know. Which site we're taking a look at here. This is a this is a pretty important issue because essentially when we sold that land to them as part of Lincoln yards there were implications for them completing these other Parcels, um as as part of the benefit that they got for the entire Lincoln yards property. So, um in terms of the city benefit on this, um, I think it has to be closely watched and I'm I'm glad you're looking out for all of them. Okay. Thank you Chris. Yep. Okay, um. Again, I don't have any further questions. I definitely look forward to that information for uh from you guys. Um, there's no compensation do this project. Um, can I get a motion to recommend approval of this item? Vice chair, um Vasquez so moves on the motion all in favor say I I I those opposed no independent of the chair the eyes have it. Thank you. Thank you, uh page 5 item 4 Chicago Park District ordinance, 202400000000 9873 a proposed vacation of a portion of North Frontier between West weed and West Blackhawk West weed between North Frontier and North Ogden and North Ogden between West Blackhawk and West wheat, this property is located in 7th Ward and here to speak we have Michael Lane from the park district. How you doing, Michael? Yeah, they are Park District. I don't know. you start. Did you bring interns with you? Okay, I only brought myself today. I was curious who the folks were in the back there that not all the way back you and the green shirt. Oh, okay. Okay, you guys working summer summer jobs? Okay. What about the rest of you guys back there? I'll just you guys are pretty stall where it sticks through this meeting. So are you guys hanging around here? All right. We thought you were with Michael cheering him on so thank you. So, all right, Michael good afternoon chairman Vice chair and all the committee members. I'm Michael Lang the deputy, uh, planning director at the Chicago Park District. Um, we're here today to and I'll try to keep this brief, uh currently right now as you can see on the screen is Park 598. It is a which will be a 4 acre Park upon completion of the vacation. Um a a park located just um east of what was once Cabrini grain. Um, we are actively working on developing this park and um as we went through the design process, um, this is also a little bit of a more of a a cleanup function. Um, we realized there were a number of city streets that actually had never been vacated. So Ogden Avenue as a diagonal Street, um was was removed, um back in the 50s or 60s as part of near North High School, um Weed Street as well as Frontier streets that are both on the North and the west side whenever um properly vacated. So um to move forward with development of the park, um, we are requesting approval. So we have the ability to implement this plan that we have. Uh spent I would say the good Last 5 Years working with the community on um, developing. Uh and let me give you maybe a bigger better. this plugin here technology is failing today. Yeah, so, um, but you you get the jits of it. Um, so if there's any questions you have happy to answer them today. Um, yeah, I have a question. Um, how was uh, where's the funding for this coming from? So, uh, this park project is uh funded through, uh, the tax increment Finance district for near North. Okay, what's the value of this project? The estimated cost in totality is around 4.4 million if Bernette. All right, it's got out in the what spec. Move to faster. Oh, okay. I mean I had questions, but I want to let them. Oh, oh. All right. Um, we we have we have received and I reviewed a letter of support from um, Alderman Bernett. There's no compensation do this project, uh on the motion all in favor. Say I I oppose know. In the opinion of the chair the eyes have it. Thank you. And wow that is it on the uh there being no further business before this committee. Can I get a motion to adjourn by the same roll call vote that was applied to determine Quorum our chairman Vasquez Vice chairman Vasquez. So moves on the motion all in favor, say I those opposed no, Independent chair the eyes have it.