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Okay, good afternoon, everybody the committee on Ethics in
Government oversight will now come to order we have two
items on today's agenda first an ordinance amending
regulations for nonprofit lobbyists and S an
inter-governmental agreement continuing to Grant the city's
office of Inspector General jurisdiction over the public
building commission. We will begin with a roll call to
establish Quorum. Please know that you're yes or present
response will be deemed a yes vote when this form call is
used for a reference boat for later items. Sure Martin is
President Buster had an older woman Lee Alderman O'Shea
alderwoman Taylor older woman Sbarro's alderwoman Scott
Alderman, Taliaferro.
Ottoman waguespack Alderman sposato Alderman Riley Alderman
Lawson with the numbers present we had established a
quorum. We have three older people with spotted a sorry
sposato. My apologies neck second time today sposato a sky
and Lawson who requested remote participation under rule
59. Is there a motion to allow older people sposato Scott
and Lawson to participate all the women lie. So moves all
those in favor signify by saying I all those opposed
signify by saying no the eyes have it you welcome other
people with spider is I do Scott and allowed to attend the
committee meeting remotely going to start off before.
Call with public comments to mention the rules of conduct
for public meetings pursuant to the Chicago city council
Rules of Order and procedure rule 49 the starch an arm sets
forth. The following rules of conduct to be followed during
the public comment period and the duration of all committee
and City Council meetings profane vulgar threatening
abusive or disruptive language is not permitted to mean
discriminatory or harassing behavior and speech directed to
Ward's others.
Do others is not permitted disruptive behavior, including
disruptive or disrespectful conduct during others
presentations is not permitted banners flyers or signage
are not permitted backpacks large bags and sharp objects
are not permitted clear bags not tinted in color that do
not exceed 12 by 6 by 12 in will be permitted and are
subject to search food and beverage including in metal
canisters are not permitted cell phones must be placed on
silent prior to entering the meeting room individuals must
remain seated public comment speakers are permitted to
stand only when providing public comment small handheld
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refrain from interfering with the view or hearing of other
individuals individuals or groups failing to adhere to
these rules will be asked to see such disrupted conductance
and failure to comply will result in their being subject to
removal from the meeting by the Sergeant at Arms.
Okay, at this time we will begin public comment the. Is set
for 30 minutes out of respect for everyone's Time. Each
speaker is limited to three minutes of public comment. We
have two people signed up for public comment. The first is
Holly and you'll miss Samuel if you can go ahead believe
you're a participating remotely.
Good afternoon, everybody. If you can hear me, I'll go ahead
I'm Holly and billing the director of policy and government
Affairs at 4 front or front is the only Statewide nonprofit
Association in Illinois. We represent all operating on
profits and Foundations in the state.
I personally been heavily involved in negotiating the
updates to Chicago's loving regulations. I apologize. We
just need to turn up the volume here in the meeting room
allocation.
They're singing. I'm sorry.
Okay, Miss Samuel if you can go ahead thank you for your
patience. No problem. Thank you. Mr. Chairman for front for
front is the Statewide nonprofit Association in Illinois,
and we've been heavily involved in negotiating the
lobbying, Oregon. They just wanted to go over a couple
things today with you. The substitute ordinance makes
significant improvements to the underlying existing law.
Most of the changes are good ones and they should remain in
place. We generally support the substitute as it is, but
I'd like to emphasise to keypoint for your ongoing
consideration first the Chicago regulations vary greatly
from the state's regulations specifically Chicago's
requirements go much further than the state's Chicago
requires more narrative detail and indirect expense
reporting. For example, these variations have resulted in
four bases confusion and some redundancy and administrative
complexity for organizations that must register in both
jurisdiction.
Am I that we ordered you to continue examining how to
streamline the process for everybody in the future by
aligning as many regulations as possible with the state.
Secondly, the Chicago regulations are relatively complex.
The ordinance is difficult for people to understand which
makes compliance challenging while the board of Ethics has
been responses to questions and we're grateful for that.
We've received some conflicting information at times in
response to questions even as recently as last week. So for
that reason, we urge you to require the board to provide
thorough public education before the effective date. We
also urge this going to need to continue examining how to
reduce reporting complexity in the future. So in closing I
just want to say how tremendously grateful we are that
German Martin and other players like the light apartment
the office of Inspector General the board of ethics and the
committee staff who's been outstanding and engage with us
in good faith on the
Ordnance and doing a tremendous amount of related work.
We're very grateful. I know we all agree that a more
ethical Chicago benefits everyone and Forefront will
continue to do our part to educate our sector about the
Rules of Engagement. Please contact me if you have any
questions related to the ordinance or nonprofits. Thank
you. That concludes my remarks. I appreciate your time for
second and final speaker during public comment is George
Blackmore? Mr. Blakemore?
Thank you. Watch the clock. Make sure I get my free
minutes.
Watch the clock.
not intimidated by any of you
the inter-governmental agreement I'm totally against
With the inspector-general they can even do what they
supposed to do with the city that's known with the building
commission. Go Irish.
The ultimate do not vote for this item.
Joe Rogan
What is propane?
What is corruption what is par in abuse?
This city, maybe I pick right into the city of Chicago
known as the most racist city in America. Who said that.
Doctor Martin Luther King. Also I heard did you read that
note on public radio the most corrupt city of all the
stadium
Is the city of Chicago what were their criteria?
How many arguments have been indicted for corruption and
Fraud and Abuse that goes on here and you have that
audacity to say that has power the charger of all not even
a security email they have been trained.
We have our police with somebody out of order. They could
be right here.
When was those rules implemented and what was the impact of
a skeleton make decisions about those rude?
When do the GoPro rules committee you all are going to have
a rules committee? And then the rules committee vote for
it? And then it goes to the city council. How did Michelle
do this?
She made the city council also a committee of a whole.
I don't know who you think Mister Blakemore. I don't think
you understand me, but I understand you real good what
order waste and abuse. I know exactly as it should be
elected by the people.
And even when the electric is still corrupt, the inspector
John is now go have a another Duty with the building
commission. These are two different agencies and it's a
reason why they divided these agents not to do 6 to 9 here.
Oh look at the time here. I will know who you think. I am
your honor that have a just a month of my caliber to speak
and your committee meeting today.
Now you heard me real-life. Thank you. Mr. Blakemore. We
our first order of business is to rule 45 report from
October 2023, which was sent out to the committee. Can I
please have a motion to approve the rule for 45 report?
Alderman O'Shea, so moves all those in favor of passing
signify by saying I all those opposed say no in the opinion
of the chair that the eyes have it as I mentioned earlier.
There were two items before the committee. The first is
Ordnance 20, 23-00 02937 amendment of Municipal Code
chapter to 156 regarding registration of lobbyists and
regulations pertaining thereto. The committee has received
a substitute ordinance, which has been sent out to
Will a prior to the meeting can I have a motion to upset
except to substitute? So moved by older woman had in all
those in favor signify by saying I all those supposed to
get in the chair the ice habitats the steps to this now
before the committee. Do you want to recognize alderwoman a
hoppenworth and aldermen Burnett none committee members and
also want to know that executive director Steve Berlin from
the Chicago Board of Ethics is doing this thing will speak
to the sub students before we open the floor to committee
on committee members for questions before we turn it over
to director Berlin. I would like to set up a bit of context
in 2019 the city council unanimously passed an Ethics
reform package that included a requirement that nonprofit
lobbyist register and file regular reports with the word
affects in response to concerns shared by nonprofit
leaders, the board delayed aspects of implementation of
this ordinance to engage in continued conversations around
how to improve it and fortunately the arrival of covid-19
delayed implementation even further in the city has a spent
a number of years in negotiation with my profits in the
months before and since the introduction of this ordinance
the board of ethics and committee staff have spent hundreds
of hours at 10 briefings with nonprofit leaders and meeting
individually with thousands of nonprofits. We have made
substantial proposed changes to this ordinance based on
known for
The feedback for introduction as well is the drafting of
the substitute and I'm pleased to present it to the
committee today the substitute contains Common Sense
policies that will bring Chicago in line with other major
cities in New York and Los Angeles when it comes to
nonprofit Lobby first, it establishes a monetary an hourly
threshold for a lobbyist registration, like other cities in
the country. S it clarifies the definition of lobbying to
make it easier for both for-profit and nonprofit
organizations like to understand when their conversations
with City officials are Lobby under the ordinance clear
that providing public comment participating on a city
advisory committee administering grants and requesting
regular city services is not Lobby third. It relieves the
burden of supporting for small nonprofit organizations,
which are often on the front lines providing essential
services to underserved communities don't have additional
staff and money to navigate complex red tape last.
Ordinance will go into effect over 6 months from now on
July 1st 2024 leaving a time for the board of Ethics the
committee to conduct a robust public education campaign.
I'm grateful to the dozens of nonprofits from across
Chicago that gave their time to provide thoughtful feedback
and ask questions. I'd also like to thank the board of
Ethics mayor polisena intergovernmental relations teams the
Law Department in the office of Inspector General for their
help in crafting.
Substitute. I know invite director Berlin to speak briefly
on this proposed ordinance director.
Thank you. Mr. Chairman and honourable members of the city
council's committee on Ethics in Government oversight. It's
my pleasure to appear before you to answer your questions
about this lobbying law Amendment. I've been with the board
since September of 1993 and I've seen numerous changes and
widely differing approaches to the city's regulation of
lobbying specifically lobbying by and on behalf of members
of Chicago's not for profit Community literally on no other
topic on which I have worked have I seen such passion in
all those years you are presented to you for your
gratification is the product of years of work by the board
of Ethics. It's legal staff representatives from the city
council's committee on ethics and government oversight. The
mayor's office the Law Department the Inspector General and
members of the not-for-profit community as the chair said
it will bring Chicago War within the full to get spear
City's New York Los Angeles as well as San Francisco in
Philadelphia as to the Public's right to know who is
Sequencing its officials and employees and other things the
Amendments before you would we impose thresholds for all
individuals that must be met before they would be required
to register as lobbyists second. They would exempt
individuals who lobbies solely on behalf of any
not-for-profit with an operating budget or net assets or
funds balances of less than five million dollars third with
tap all lobbying funds at $20,000 per violation for that
would add a self-defense communication that would be an
exemption from lobbying for not-for-profits fifth. It would
codify board opinions from late 2019 and early 2020 that
determined that not-for-profit Personnel to serve on
advisory committees at the city's request are not there by
lobbying unless they advocate for new resources or programs
for their own not for profit 6 that would clarify which
actions constituted Ministry.
Faction or legislative Action 7 that would clarify the
background work in which lobbyists speak with their
employers or clients do not count toward the hourly
threshold 1/8. They would exempt those individuals who
communicate with City governmental Personnel solely through
participation in temporary youth employment programs as the
chair mentioned. It would not take effect until July 1st of
2024 until that time the board will coordinate with the
And engage in a comprehensive and robust education and
Outreach effort. Finally just one factual note. There are
currently 122 individuals from the not-for-profit community
that are registered with the board of Ethics with that. I
open it to your question. Thank you very much director. Any
questions about your head.
It's so one of Sherman appreciate you working on cleaning
this up and I guess my way of questions. I know when we
worked on this last term. I got a lot of concerns from a
lot of my smaller nonprofits. I'm wondering if from your
department if you could give us a maybe a summary of the
types of questions that you received from nonprofits, that
would be questions. That would be resolved or more clearly
given answers with this revision. The number of things.
First of all, there was a major concern about fine as most
of you know, the governmental ethics ordinance when it was
initially enacted in 1987 has fines that are $1,000 per day
measured on day five from the time and individual first
engages and lobbying until the time that individual
registers and has probably some of you remember
Board of Ethics has been in a position to Levi and assess
pretty heavy fines. I think that's the major concern and
there was lots of negotiation the beginning of the
beginning of the last term regarding capping those fines
and chair Martin and his and his team and us have discussed
this at length with a lot of partment and capping flights
are $20,000 which matches the maximum fine for other
lobbying violations should go a long way to resolving the
vast majority of questions that we received from the
not-for-profit community. Secondly there was a lot of talk
about Grassroots lobbying and what happens for example
under current law which was enacted in 2019. If a person's
paid even a dollar 24 example, send emails to you guys and
the city council the mayor's office City official city
employees. This long makes clear that number one. Nobody
would have to register until and unless they meet the
threshold.
And number two there are a lot of different activities on
which people might email the city council that would be
exempt. So there's a much more stringent definition of
finite definition of what administrative action as well as
legislative action in those two buckets that resolves about
95% of the questions that we received from the
not-for-profit community in the slot does codify the board
issued a number of opinions back in early 2020.
For covid hit in force and those opinions are codified in
this particular proposal.
85 share one with knowledge German Taliaferro for purposes
of quorum
other questions Auto on Taylor
and you get through the chair how many nonprofits have
actually registered as a lobbyist. As of today is 120 120
to we don't actually have any registration. So since the
mid-2000s the city has moved away from entity registration.
So we only have individuals that register but these 122
individuals list us their employer a not-for-profit agency.
So their lobbying solely on behalf of a single
not-for-profit how much have we made on finds on fines? I
don't have that exact number in front of me. It's ironic
Ali in my executive directors report that's going to be
it's going to be issued to the board later this afternoon.
I'm fine. So I'm at a time and just estimate that it's
somewhere in the neighborhood of $25,000 this year give or
take
so
is this
More helpful than harmful. I think it is in my opinion.
Yes, it is. It's much more helpful. It provides a fuller
picture to the public of who is spending time to influence
your judgment. The mayor's judgments Commissioners
judgment. I can't say that. I'm the subject of lobbying but
other department heads are many administrative executive
departments are subject to lobbying. And of course the city
council is subject to lobbying as well. This really the
purpose of this is transparency to give a fuller picture to
the public of who's attempting to influence your judgment
officials and who's try to influence the judgments of
Commissioners Deputy Commissioners. The mayor's staff has
executive-level employees.
How are we making sure that organizations get this
information or need to even know to register as lobbyists
only those those organizations that who's who's operating
budget or net assets for more than 5 million, but we will
work very closely with the committee on a robust and
comprehensive education program and we will work as well as
with four front and the other members of a not-for-profit
community to help them spread the word.
So is there some training that comes with this one? Somebody
registered? Yes, since 2006 all registered lobbyists must
complete an annual online training and we've had complete
compliance with that coming. If every so often human nature
you always have a couple lobbyists that fail to do it and
then they will resend them nasty grams and they end up
doing it. So yes, there is there is mandatory training for
all lobbyists.
And doesn't make sense that you're saying for organizations
to get over 5 million. Is there some conversations about
just having those organization registry just for
transparency purposes
that's what this word means. It's really designed to do.
What do you eat when you use this ordinance would limit
those individuals who would have to register to those who
are employed by or Wabi and clients are five million
dollars are over.
Thank you. Steve shorty chair. I can share one of egg
knowledge at your woman Pat Dowell.
Anyone else with questions or comments?
Okay hearing none. Can I get a motion to recommend approval
of this item?
So moved by Arman alif all those in favor signify by saying
I say no and then painted the chair the eyes have it before
we go on to our second and last item. I want to acknowledge
a Steve who is some of you may know with the recent
recipient of the 2023 koegel Award with more than 500
members throughout the US Canada and the English-speaking
world. Koegel the Council on governmental ethics laws is
the largest organization dedicated to the administration
and Improvement of governmental ethics and related laws.
The koegel award is Cobalts highest form of recognition
conferred upon individuals who have made significant
demonstrable and positive contributions to cogo's
disciplines, which are ethics campaign Finance elections
lobbying and Freedom of Information past recipients include
former President, Jimmy Carter former Senators Russell find
gold in the lake John McCain and the car 11, so
but you are a very esteemed company director.
Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chair. I think I'm my face is
probably as red as Alderman Burnett's sweater right now.
Thank you very much, but we are lucky to have you thank you
for your continued service and thank you for your work on
this important piece of litigation. Thank you all just like
that litigation hopefully, okay.
I've been tracing our next and last item will be ordinance.
2023 Dash 0 0 0 5 9 8 3 the Second Amendment to the
intergovernmental agreement with the public building
commission of Chicago providing for the city's Inspector
General to serve as the commission's Inspector General. I
would like to invite up inspector-general whispered to
provide a summary of this ordinance General whisper when
you were prepared to hear from you.
Thank you Sherman. Thanks for having me good to see you all
the ordinance before you all is an extension of an
intergovernmental agreement, which has been in place since
2015 and it as you described, the office of Inspector
General to exercise the same oversight Authority. We
exercise over other programs and operations of city
government over the city's public building commission. And
so rather than having a separate Inspector General function
for that sister agency, this enables the public building
commission to provide some amount of funding to our office
and then we probably we exercise as I say the same
oversight Authority that we do with respect to the rest of
the city. And so this has been in place since 2015 the
matter before you today simply extend the existing terms of
that agreement for another five years during the times has
been in place since the
15 some of the oversight activities that have resulted from
that Arrangement include a number of separate audits. We've
looked at the change order process in City construction
projects in which of the PVC specific topic. We've also
reached PVC and some of our other audits you all hear me
talk all the time about the fact that City operations don't
happen in silos, but they happen as part of a city
government ecosystem. That's one of the reasons for my
perspective. It makes a lot of sense to to consolidate
oversight in this way. For example, when we looked at the
Save the city safety cameras, there was a significant piece
of that audit that related to the public building
commission because many of the city's safety cameras are
mounted on or houses in public building commission assets.
The same is true. When we looked at the building
commissioning process and send the city's compliance with
requirements under the Chicago conservation rules. So a
number of audits, we've also an investigative front during
Life of the mou we participated in the investigation which
resulted in a criminal conviction of a public buildings
commission employee for fraud. They were sentenced to 23
years of Probation and to pay restitution for the amount of
the fraud. So it is has been a from my perspective a
productive oversight effort. We have we appreciate the the
public building commission has partnership and we look
forward to continuing. Thanks very much General next up. I
would like to invite Ray get her off at Phoenix.
Director of the public building commission. I hope I did not
miss pronounce your last name. If I did, please correct me.
Okay. Well, not bad not great. But I'll take it first try
when you're ready. Go ahead. I'm acting executive director
regular off public building commission.
I might just like to Echo everything has been said here
with regard to the partnership and transparency and how
important that is to public building commission
specifically related to the artists that were previously
conducted. A lot of lessons learned a lot of implementation
of procedures and processes to make it easier not just for
the public building commission, but for its General
Contractors and subcontractors as well, as a lot of good
has come out of it in my opinion and we fully support in
mind.
Thank you opening up to questions. I will start with
committee members and then I'll committee members
waguespack or Taylor. Did you have a hand up?
What did you all do before 2015 when it came to this
commission or what was in place? I was before my time, and
I don't know whether you know the answer. But before that
time or IG would not have had Authority would not have had
oversight authority over the public building commission. I
don't know whether there was another entity that did I can
follow up on the couch cuz I was just going to say you you
got enough work.
So I'm staying busy you very busy, but I'm concerned that
it's the city watching the city again. Does that make
sense?
Explain to me more about
Do you always cuz you only want extended for five years?
Why not something y'all doing permanently if you feel like
this working, I guess that's my question. I think that's a
good question. I think there's some balance striking here
between stability of the process and flexibility of the
process as with many things from my perspective. This has
this has been an effective arrangement. I think I can get
provide some important efficiencies here standing up and
oversight entity is is is a big Endeavor in terms of all of
the things that it requires. And so this allows rather than
the city kind of further duplicating the oversight
Enterprise for the public building commission. This allows
us to kind of use our existing infrastructure and office
resources and personnel and so on and I think in terms of
making it permanent versus this this kind of approach, I
think it's provides for some flexibility where if the scale
or the complexity of the public building commission
operations change over time.
Then this would allow an assessment to say 5 years down the
road really we need a separate meeting entirely separate
over sudden to be like we have for the Chicago public
schools, for example, so I think it's a point. Well taken.
There is a balance to be struck here at this from my
perspective is a good one. Is there some data to prove
otherwise to prove that it's not a good arrangement don't
know how exactly we would have proven negative in the data.
I would say, you know, what time does the value proposition
the the mou and the IGA they company documents lay out the
amount of funding which the public building commission
provides to to the city to to go into the YG's budget floor
calculation in 2020 for that amount will be $200,400. You
know, I think that's that's a much smaller dollar amount
been it would cost to set up a separate oversight entity
two hundred and $2,400.
Who sets up the commission like who who gets to pick in?
This is?
Call I want to be educated about it cuz there's not a lot
of dealing that I have with them but I would be interested
in who who sets up these commissions and really for the
public and what they actually do and why is there need for
oversight?
I can understand your question. So the question is who who
sets up the phone and what is a public building commission
comprised us and both and who is it a pointed? Is it
elected our chairperson is Mara Brandon Johnson elected by
our Board of Commissioners. Some of those positions are
appointed by our chairperson some are not as far as some of
those services that we provide is a public building
commission. If any of that planning design construction for
any number of clients on some of which are in the room
including others like CPS, and they is. And in others it
may require planning designer or contractor procurement
Services throughout at any given point for any given reason
renovation project civil project Municipal projects Board
of Education projects. So on so on and so forth in the
almost
for years that I've been there we've had a great deal of
success with a lot of our clients and helping our chair
chairperson continue these Investments throughout these
communities to deliver these projects help answered your
question someone so every chair has been the mayor
Any time that I've been there every chair person has been
the mayor doesn't have to be the mayor and no it does not
have to be the mail but he is our chairperson the mares a
type in the time. I've been noted sure people have been the
mayor of City of Chicago how many lawsuits have been filed
against the building commission lawsuit lawsuits defined by
claims and litigation right by the fastest love those dirt
dirt bike number of claims that we resolved through what we
call our article 18 or claims resolution portion of our
contract as far as lawsuits in the time that I've been
there I can think of at least three that ended up being a
lawsuit that want resolved through the claim process
through either our negotiations or settlement or or or both
in some cases, but there has been litigation and we do have
general counsel that represent us as well in espanol Roy
apart from what the
that's what channel provides information from Vice
chairman. And yeah, I know that you said the mayor's the
chair of the board who else appoint members of the board,
isn't it? The president do the president County Board and
twinkle and and who else I marry Brandon Johnson? Okay. So
do is to appoint the board members. I'm sorry. I didn't
know if you said that or not. I didn't say that. But thank
you for clearing and I are making ice maker.
Call Erma Taylor, please last question through the can can
you give the steward to share about the the lawsuits or the
things that we have not settled?
This is a catch-22 for me. It's like do we spend the
$234,000 to have outside because it seems more transparent
or do we keep with what we had?
This is not two hundred to a thousand additional dollars.
This is money that is allocated from the table saying if we
were to go with outside cancel that is that what you are
saying? The cost would be no. I think the reality is the
cost will be much higher. That's the amount that comes from
the public building commission budget in 20, ig's budget
floor calculation for us to perform this work if I can
clarify any of those any litigation with regard to
contractors or even the can explain that are considered a a
a portion of that litigation isn't paid the ig's office
isn't paid to me go to litigate that on our behalf. It's
our general counsel that would do that and prior to
advancing any litigation. We 100% of the time will
communicate with our client regarding those benefits or
disadvantages of pursuing that lawsuit and whether or not
we want to go that route or other means weather at
settlement negotiations with
Those contractors on at the end of the day. We're funded by
our clients. So proper use and expenditures are those funds
are our number one priority and we will look at all of
those different options related to that litigation. If and
which those those those better come forth in the last three
that I've been a part of that's exactly what we've done. So
make sure that the client is aware make sure that we have
their input and concurrence before we proceed you say you
been and how long 24 years almost.
I will pray for you. Thank you. Thank you alderwoman
chairwoman Dale. Did you have a question?
Any other questions or comments alderman waguespack?
Thanks for the Inspector General. I think.
Looking at the extension table. It's an obvious thing to
move forward with but when we hear about a piece of PVC
employee caught committing fraud and you know, we have
restitution I think made it to whoever how does the
do-not-hire process work?
Within the PBC with the city and I know it should extend.
As a mandatory thing to the PBC in The Other Sister
agencies, and it doesn't but how do we prevent somebody
like this who committed fraud?
From coming back into one of the other agencies within the
city Realm.
Exactly as you point out Alderman that is an existing
weakness in the cities. Do not rehire policy, which is that
the city and the sister agencies are not bound by each
other's do-not-hire list. That's a policy decision that
that's something that could be changed. Obviously, you
know, our piece of that has to do with the enforcement of
it rather than the policy decision, but I agree that from
an accountability perspective. That's an important witness
in the policy if you want to respond to do you have any
do-not-hire?
Enough if it's in your code portion of the code, but I
haven't seen anything and maybe I missed it. It's an
internal roller anyting I think internally, we would not be
hiring at individual back. But would you for instance would
you send a memo to the city that says this person is on a
do-not-hire list for us. They've been you know, they've got
they've committed fraud.
Restitution at the moment and would you signed a memo out to
the city that says this is an individual. You should not
hire are we be willing to do that? I consult our Council
and the ig's office in that manner, but we would not be
opposed to doing that. I think I'll be the right thing to
do. Yeah, I think I'm just checking to see if I missed
something on the PVC rolls, but it's something I think it's
very important that we missed out on across the board with
people being rehired and sister agencies not saying with
the PBC but this might be a good aspect of you no moving
for at the extension, but trying to find a way to put a put
a stop to these people being rehired. There's there is
abuse in the do-not-hire.
I think
threw me off there for a second. There has been abuse with
the do-not-hire list and I just want to make sure that you
know, it's more out in the open and that we'd start to look
at really crapping some very serious legislation that that
kind of puts a stop to this. So it makes agreed we would
welcome the opportunity to work on that and never any other
questions.
Sing none. Can I have a motion to recommend approval of this
item? So moved by a vice chair had in all those in favor
signify by saying I all those opposed say no and you pissed
in your Cheerios have it there being no further business
before this committee. Can I get a motion to adjourn and
sew moves all those in favor signify by saying? Hi all
those opposed in the opinion that the charity ice habit.
The meeting is adjourned. Thank you.