Afternoon, when I start list, I want to welcome everyone to
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blakeman. Thank you, and thank you. Mr. Blake.
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And the time and did they come to this body the city
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How many people at the committee voted on those rules and
when was those Ruth introduced to the city council?
Has no power.
I'm a crew only this body. Anyway, let's go to hell.
How you have enough housing for the illegal immigrant the
new America?
I found stickers, but do you have enough housing?
black man in America
I'm not your typical.
speaker
You got the right one, but Mr. George Blakemore in America
in Chicago, I didn't say that public radio have a start
date.
That means the council is corrupt.
The bra Department department and they also said that out
of the 50 states the most corrupt state number 3 in
Illinois, but are we know about housing?
What about how the f*** by black American?
I'm not the one.
Mr. Lopez you got the wrong one now, I see why more had
them all downstairs and not up here.
You got to watch these black activist.
You got to watch these black Altima a black elected
official in high places by serving their community.
So when you read that this is not a question and answer
session. I don't know I never with women that committed do
that. When did you bring it to the city council who you're
going to put it?
Maybe Mr. Blakemore you look her up. It takes one to know
one. I must be one of the best actor this in America.
I'm old or and black but I was coming back. So you just
popped up here, sir.
I've been here thirty years or more at these dogs and pony
show. I've seen people like you.
conduct and behavior and then stroke
Thank you. Mr. Blakemore that concludes our public comment
or first order of business is Route 45 report from October
30th, 2023, which was sent out to the committee members.
Can I get a motion to recommend approval of these report
other person when I have been worth all those in favor say
aye all those opposing name in opinion of the chair the ice
havin the roof 45 and Fork as being approved. We move on to
the items before the committee. I don't number one is
ordinal 02023 0 0 0 5 7 3 1/3 amendment to lease agreement
with North LaSalle Bank Financial Associates LLC for
additional silly space at Suite 1602 service Community
Council for Public Safety and a piece of granite. I never
meant to equity doing build out of the 9th floor at the
number to North LaSalle Street. We have an amendment
substitute ordinance, which was handed out to all other
persons.
Or I didn't want with a simple tax correction of properly
naming ccpsa and not substituting changes. Can I get a
motion to recommend approval of the subdivision ordinance?
Simone biles win all those in favor. Say aye or in the
beginning of the chairs that are the eyes have it Michelle
Woods from the Chicago Department of acid information
service is present to testify in behalf of this ordinance.
Good afternoon, honorable chairman and members of the
committee for the record. My name is Michelle Woods, and
I'm on behalf of the Department of assets information and
services. The department has received several requests for
additional office space at the two North LaSalle building
to accommodate filling Personnel vacancies. This amendment
will allow the use of Suite 900 which has approximately
16097 square feet at $2.25 per square foot or roughly
$36,271 per month, which would begin July 31st and 2025
upon occupancy. This will allow offices for both the
department of environment and the community Commission on
public safety and accountability. Both departments are
feeling existing and new positions and office space is
needed for additional staff.
The landlord is providing approximately 10800 square feet of
temporary space on the 16th floor for the ccpsa to occupy
immediately upon approval of the amendment at no cost.
Are the second to North LaSalle is located in the 42nd Ward
and we've received no objection from all the Riley. I
respectfully request your favorable consideration of this
amendment and that concludes my presentation. I'm happy to
answer any questions. The committee may have thank you
chairman and members of the committee all-in-one Taylor.
Where is this you said? This building is does this tune to
North LaSalle Street. And this is a spice that we are
renting the currently rent and the building we have city
offices there on the second floor to the 13th floor.
So we are spending $36,000 a month on a space. We can find
a vacant school. We can find any of the city-owned
buildings. Do we have any space for we did you look at
y'all? Look was there and every you you didn't reach out to
none of us to ask?
So if how long is the lease on this place is it says so
this is a mending the existing lease for the existing city
offices that are in the building which expires in 2035.
What was the price of the so this is what we've been paying
this would be an addition to what we pay for the current
space that were renting. How much is the spice that we're
already where auntie I have to get that to you through the
check you get it through the chair. Sure.
I'll spending to $36,000 a month on a space seems
ridiculous when we are already talkin about our budget this
so sore Year. We're spending $145,000. That's somebody's
salary somebody's health benefit in Dental that we could
have been paid. We can't continue to do this. This this
makes no sense. And what is it for this $3,271 a month. Do
you actually get does it come with workers or something? It
is this makes no sense whatsoever. And the thought that
we're having we we we we have things that we need to take
care of and this is how we're spending. Our money is is not
okay with me through the chair. I would like to see
How long we been in this building and what we paid cuz by
now, how long have they been in this face?
He moved in in 2019. So we probably been both the building
if we've been in 2019 and we now in 2020 what three bout to
be 24 that is a lot of money to be spending on his face I
cannot and can we see the face is you you have to slide to
show us what it looks like cuz I need to know where we're
getting for this amount of money right now. The ninth floor
is currently being used or it had been used by a law
offices. So part of the cost of renovating the space. So it
means the city standard uses on a building. We currently
own this makes no sense like who who who thought of this
who whose idea was this? So this makes no sense whatsoever
This Is Us waiting wasting taxpayer dollars on the space.
So we worked with the ccpsa on finding a location for them
that met all their requirements and because we'll special
requirements and this is please don't take this this
personal what what does the spice give them or require that
they need to do their jobs? Well, they wanted to be in a
downtown central location so that they'd be centralized to
do the work that they do and be able to reach all the
neighborhoods conveniently, but I can certainly get the
list of items that the ccpsa was looking for and get that
to you through the chair.
You know as well.
But the city's already occupying the building. We already
have Annalise to be into the space that don't make me feel
better. Lots of money that worth spending on a space. This
doesn't include Furniture this on the cool lights. Your gas
is included in that am I correct that include the furniture
it includes Furniture cracked out when we got rid of our
lease at 30 North LaSalle to move to 2 North LaSalle was
that they would do a build out and get furniture that met
cities standard of biblical carleone. The owner is to north
north on your Amendment.
22 North
2 North LaSalle Financial Associates, LLC
Who was it? I don't.
Yeah, who that's it fell out and I cannot make disclosure
statement and I can get that to all of you through the
chair. So let me say this.
This feels excessive this this this feels really excessive
when we got old streets and saying bill is we got close
schools when they are empty spaces in the war and for them
to be centralized downtown for what I don't see so then we
got to worry about parking is this building, parking is a
free there's no parking included. No one pays for my
parking. So me and even the people that you employ he is
still have to worry about parking. Correct. If they are not
there on there on your Spurs transportation. We got to get
out of we put it down town cuz it's centralized these
departments need to be in the community so they can
actually talk and work with the community. This makes no
sense whatsoever. And I don't know that I can't support
this. I cannot support this you won't need to come back
with a a serious plan about when we are utilizing bill this
we already got a bunch of vacant buildings and y'all say
we've been here for how long why we don't own the building
if
How many hits in 2019 I'm pretty sure we've paid a good
penny and I want to see what we spent does far cuz we're
wasting taxpayer money.
This is this makes no sense whatsoever it so I don't know
how things have done in the past. But you all got to have a
is needs to take a close. Look at what we have is our own
as good as far as I'm concerned. It's a building in my
warrior Soul streets. Is there a headache and moving now? I
don't know what it looks like but we got to take an
evaluation to what we have and repurposing utilize those
buildings. This does not make sense. We paying somebody
what do we get from paying this rent a space we can get
nothing more nothing less cuz that's a discounted price and
actually has Alderman here. I would love to see what other
people in that building a pantry. So we got to stop letting
people take advantage that we are the city cuz I'm pretty
sure everybody that live in the building ain't paying $36
and $36,271 a month for space. I would love to see what
everybody else is saying. I feel like people get over on
the city when they see that we need space and we just allow
it. We just right
Blank check this is writing a hundred and $45,000. No,
thank you champion. And you're going to tell her I would
like to before I continue with the line of questioning. I
recognized for the purpose of the Quorum all the person to
Juarez older by Sasha Mitchell Alderman Lawson and online.
Are we have other person play another person Harris
Elementary?
Thank you. Mr. Chairman Alderman tail all the woman Taylor
asked one of the questions. I wanted to ask and that was
who are the members of the LLC and the second question I
have is do you know what the average rental?
Price per square foot is in the downtown area where the
where this building is located right now. It's it changes
often Alderman depending on what size what class building
if it's a Class A building Class B building. So there's no
give me it for class a building. This is a class A building
right? Correct. The what's that that would I have to get it
to you through the chair.
Okay.
Lots of unanswered questions here. Mr. Chairman, and I make
a move that we hold us and many other other other person
that will move to to call this item and committee. Can I
have a second by other person Jeanette Taylor so
Are we having other before we there's a alderman and all
the other one is better would like to make a question as
well. Go ahead.
And then I'll do it before before the emotional is allowed
a few more questions and then I would like me.
We can create these departments without providing places
for them to work my my understanding. Yes, sir. And if
there's a certain irresponsibility in creating departments,
which we just ignore budget without creating meaningful
spaces for them to work. So I understand on that level why
we're doing this to North LaSalle. Is this the same
building where see. Currently has their office space in its
day. We have different parts of the law department and I
guess is located. There are some parts of the Department of
Housing is located there. We've just moved people from the
DePaul agreement which is expiring this year. So I the
ighty group has moved there and finances moving there this
weekend and next weekend. So we have an extensive plan that
was done in 2019 for city offices to be in this building.
Let's talk about it. So that that's why I particularly
particularly for the Department of the environment. This
building makes sense to me for them because their work is
essentially collaborative having them just blow us away
from see. Having them 200 ft away from the Department of
Planning and Development from the mayor's team that that's
how it makes a lot of sense to me when I see 225 / square
foot frankly. That sounds like a steal for me for like what
I'm paying in my ward, but also knowing
the cheapest you usually find on average is around $15 a
square foot $20 per square foot usually in my ward. If
you're looking to open a restaurant you probably looking at
25 to $30 a square foot for triple net leases. And so
toothpaste off of bad feels like a good deal for the city.
I'm just speaking to her and I understand that the idea
that we we should be operating out of our own.
physical spaces, but I also know what
What residents would probably be saying if we were looking
to buy this property? Because we would be buying in a
pretty challenging Market given what interest rates are I
know that we just had that conversation over the past 60 90
days in Council when we buy a property we're taking that
property holy off of the tax rolls and I understand where
the argument might be for residents against that idea.
So based off of what the rims are there would be commanding
based off of the co-location of other City departments in
this building I can understand why this would be a
favorable night. My only real question is what what are the
consequences of us not moving forward with this lease
expansion now like what what is the impact for these
departments and teams it would impact their hiring because
there's no place to put the new Personnel currently. We
have the ccpsa on a floor on the seventh floor at 2 North
LaSalle. They're sharing space with bacp DPS and the office
of climate and environmental Equity is going to be the
department of environment and there in like a bullpen
environment. And because of ccpsa does have sensitive phone
conversations. It's very difficult for them to perform
their duties and the current situation which is why I feel
We were very lucky that we were able to get the building to
give us the 16th floor while they build out the 9th floor
that matches the existing City standard as well because we
we can't come out here as counsel during these but to
fearrington site. Why aren't you hiring were quickly? We're
glad for these positions and then not turn around and give
them the facilities that they need to be able to do that
work so that those are the questions. I just wanted to be
us before we we potentially motions paper because a lot of
different departments have come to me asking for more space
because they're hiring more personnel and don't have enough
space to use them in the other person's Taylor point is how
to evaluate the space that they already have and make sure
it's being optimized and being the most efficient. So
there's definitely work for us to do. Thank you.
Thank you. All remember spotting. You did put some
questions on my mind. Is it possible to get a detail about
who's in there what they're paying?
I'll get i'll get through the chair. We have a sense of
what the city's total outlay is and the square footage what
are Financial costs are and have you looked at this
building is this building is every space in this building?
There's actually a different a different Bureau who's been
doing an evaluation of City Hall to make sure it's being
optimized and how we could make improvements to this
building to accommodate additional staff hires. When will
that be done?
I have to get that to you through the chair at the
different. It's not me. I'm sorry. Thank you. Mr. Chu
Burnett, I'm going to take the Liberty to read for the
council members because I think these questions are very
important to answer. Her name is that it was sent by the
community commission for Public Safety and credibility to
our office as well as the mayor's office. And it reads this
time. The need for office space has escalated with sccbsa
set to Embark new employees before the year-end or existing
spaces reach capacity leaving us with no available vehicles
for the moral legal team, including our general counsel and
Associate counsel are operating in cubicles with
significant pumpkin significantly compromised your ability
to maintain attorney-client privilege on a daily basis the
Deputy Commissioner woods and
Is a is inform us that she has already initiated the process
for a question or they don't I'm with the IGA so that we
can work through the details. So I came to your to your
point. I think these would share there's a there's
information that we can share with the committee, but I
wanted to share the urgency of the situation on the need
for space. So I just want to make sure that I shared that
with the committee members. I'll remember that. I don't
know if you have also thank you. Thank you Michelle. I just
want I just want to say I concur with all them in Sparta in
some instances. I know over in my area rents are going for
$43 a square feet probably over and over in the West Loop
area. So so so rents in triple net leases, so but I did
want to ask.
Even with a triple net lease two things. I want to ask. I
want to ask who are who's the broker on this stuff who
broker says do we do our own brokering on this or do we
hire firm to to go and find these places in negotiate these
deals for this particular deal. We worked directly with the
building and with jll because we are doing the fit what we
call Faye's to remove the rest of the people out of DePaul
into this building. And so we already had an existing team
working on that and doing the king.
Section for that and so this team will then roll into this
is a Space 3, but typically if a department contacts me
streets and Santa's recently contacted me at finding them a
facility. We use the task order and we used we hired a cvre
to help us do brokerage services and they help they act in
the city's best interest in negotiate the best deal for us.
Okay, then their mother questioned the spot to mention
triple-net leases right where you know, you paid the rent
the taxes utilities all that stuff. Do we as a government
body? Are we included in the back portion?
Of of a lease for the rentals we do end up paying the
property tax bill the landlord Ezra laid it on to us. And
so it's this kind of goes to Alderwood Taylor's point is
that it would be ideal for us to purchase a property
downtown that we could put our city staff in but in 2019,
the real estate market has changed dramatically since then
so that could be something we could consider. Okay?
Fantastic. Thank you.
I want to I want to offer some assistance with this.
All too many times we're presented with a decision to make
and in this case about a lease.
What you hear is that there's not a business case that we
can wrap our arms and mines around to say yes to this to
this transaction and that's what it has a gift. I've been
down here. That's what I struggle with because I like to
have things laid out for me so I can make the best and most
intelligent than most Discerning decision possible because
a lot of times you hear Whispering attacks get pay or
money. I'm so we actually want to be prudent with respect
to that and I think this questions like this and its
situation. I just can't believe you waited. If we handle
this from a business standpoint and present the business
case in my previous life when I went to the CEO and ask 150
million dollars for a new build out of our it Department. I
had to make a business case. When is going to give me a
hundred fifty million dollars to do it and then I had to
check in to ensure that I came within or under in a war if
I need if I went over I had to make a business case for
I think that would help us a lot and then it'll leave out
our opinions about oh, this is a good price for all this.
Is this all this is that so that that's that's what I would
like for me. I would like that for my colleagues because a
lot of us don't we come from different backgrounds in our
Acumen is a little different we all have common sense but a
lot of this goes well beyond the common sense if it's about
transaction and in and we need to be able to to have the
numbers in front of we need to we need to have the the
different aspects of why we need to do this. Why is it so
much how much square feet is there other options, you know,
and and when we have that information, I think we can make
a better decision and we won't get held up with this
back-and-forth. So I'm asking for I know it's going to get
it held so in the end in that time frame, can you do your
best to give us the best?
Case for a to make the best business decision possible for
the city thank trim or now we can provide what you know
part of the challenge is to provide a summary and the
presentation without giving too much information, but I'm
happy to provide more information as well.
Too much information in certain cases is actually a good
thing mcgilligan providing the case and the committee
members we did get a letter from the commission asking for
help. And I think that's what the detail still work at. You
know working out. I think I'll do a woman Taylor having
another absolutely y'all got all of these departments in
here what we probably spend on rent. We could have built
our own building.
So I'll hear what background on come from I graduate from
Dawson Tech. I graduated from high school. I got five kids.
Yeah, I like a lot of people that set up in here. But at
the end of the day, I ain't dumb enough to think that we
spending all this money and rent. We could have built the
building through the chair. Can you get us every we need to
know every piece of property that the city owes because we
got all of this vacant properties vacant buildings. We
could have reconstructed them for what we're spending our
money and have ownership. All we doing is making other
people rich and I thought that y'all come to us about some
LLC and we don't know who owned it says maybe y'all friends
maybe y'all money member you're making your friends rich. I
don't know and at this point, I don't care at the end of
the day. It is irresponsible for y'all to come to us and
say spend this type of money because you all have not
provided the space and I don't care who you got in that
building.
Jesus could be in that building was always spending on it
and I would love to see what we spend rent on every
Department that's in there cuz it ain't enough to have a
just a shiny nice building. This is are responsible. I
don't care what nobody say you can't tell me no different
that makes no sense whatsoever yesterday partment
environment and in the commission needs a building. I
totally agree and I support that 226 what is are
responsible for y'all to come and say this when we going to
spend on the building and y'all got other and if you trying
to make a case tell me what else is in this building, so
that's why I mentioned in this ordinance that wasn't even
mentioned in those presentation up conversation and I like
you have it with me and so for me to make a responsible.
Decision for us to be thinking about the people who
actually tan to this makes sense and why we why we
centralized and stuff downtown.
Why we not bring stuff into the communities.
Don't make sense to me. Thank you. Chill.
Don't like to respond and then we have all the money spider
has one more before it it speaks of some of the questions
of colleagues are asking and you can actually find this on
the CBRE website. They do real estate analysis on the
regular basis there Q3 2023 report for the Central Loop.
The gross asking rates per square foot is $42 a square foot.
For the East Loop. That number is $41 a square foot.
4 Michigan Avenue, $43 a square foot. So if the if the
asking rent in the loop currently is $42 a square foot and
we're being asked to pay 225 a square foot.
Tell me that feels like a fair deal for the city. That's
the last piece of information on put on the table. Thank
you, and I'm hearing loud and clear committee members. We
need an analysis broadly about this and what transactions
with committed and we work with by Sharon Mitchell on that.
Also making sure that Alex is when there is an LLC proposal
that we have full disclosure of who the who are the people
in charge of the loc all the questions that you have a
basket thing that are we seeing the the reasonable request
for committee members and we make sure that you every
single one of you I get that information by not only for
this case by broadly speaking. We are committed to do that
all other other person that will be going to review motion.
Thank you. In addition can thank you for your presentation.
Yes, we need space for people to do their work and also to
understand what they need is also important to me. Is that
something that you can also provide as you're working with
other what Alderman Mitchell says a complete picture of not
just this one department, but all the Departments that are
in that building and then moving forward. I understand what
the spot is saying to that. This is a good deal. But also I
just don't want to rush into anything into it, you know,
it's signed contracts and we don't I would like more
information exactly what you said share more information
would be best. Thank you think what it means. You need like
they're working. Yes.
You said that they they required certain things and one
thing that you said is that they want to be Central to
perhaps proximity to the mayor's office or whatever. I
think that's two other women Taylor's point is why you
know, I guess that's one thing that I would like to
understand like why are these Department here versus and
neighborhood is is it necessary?
The originally started in 2019 and these departments had
been occupied in renting out of 30 North LaSalle and then
that at least was expiring and so then again, I wasn't part
of this at the time I had a different position but there
was a whole extensive search and then the best deal at 2019
was this to North LaSalle deal. And so that's those
departments at 30 North moved on to 2 North LaSalle. I
understand what you're saying. But what I'm saying is in,
you know at the end of the lease, I would like to be able
to say whether or not the Department's got what they needed
and I'm not sure what these Department need.
Okay, thank you. I know it will make sure to have that
information. Thank you. Mister chair. I'm not convinced
with the argument that this is impacting hiring because our
budget doesn't become effective until January one. And as
we all know hiring takes a minute, so I would ask that we
hold this until the next committee meeting and if you can
come back with the information that's been requested to The
Chair by all of my colleagues. I think we can look at this
and not interrupt the ability for these two departments to
get settled in 2024.
Think of all the women that we have a motion and a second
bathroom and Johnnie Taylor all those in favor. So the item
has been different. If we have information that we would be
broadly as well as other similar deals with a CD. Thank
you, and thank you.
We better move to the next item item number two. Is that
what does your 20 to 30 0 0 5 7 7 6 public way easement
agreement with 33 on Bailando Development LLC to maintain
and operate drainage Swale in portion of city property at
3300 South Kedzie Avenue. This isn't the 22nd Ward and
Alderman Rodriguez has asked us to defer design. Can I get
a motion to defer this item for the next Council? We will
have ammo for all the men are all those in favor. Say aye.
Yes.
Swallow the drainage. Well, maybe we get someone to give us
more details on these item.
the drainage portion of the city property definition
Mary cutting is the one who got the
she just about Wednesday.
Because a technical question about what is the draining the
drainage Swale?
What is this season?
On the second item. Yes, it's basically to take stormwater
and retain it into a at like a little retention area.
Thank you Miss with him before you left. Another member has
asked us to call these items. He's still working on this
unless there's any other questions going to get a motion to
defer this item again.
Baba's Maria Ramirez b haven't decided what has been the
first item number 30202 3-0 0 0 5 7 9 7 0 3 station of
multifamily program funds or secure sell tax securitization
Corporation bonds to Lakeview Landing LP for construction
or permanent Supportive Housing on property donated by Lake
View Lutheran Church at 835 West Addison in the 44th Ward
deny our Wayne from the Department of Housing Express in to
testify
Applebee's organist thank you. Thank you chair and members
of the committee. My name is Dina Wayne and I'm here to
talk about the project Lakeview Landing this the chair had
said.
Okay, this is a a project with Over the Rainbow Association
and Lake View Lutheran Church the architecture Dennis
Langley if we Smiley Wiese contractor powers and son and
then in Decatur and and lender is well over the rainbow is
an organization.
Okay, babe.
Over the Rainbow is an organization that was founded in
1970 for its mission is to develop independent housing for
people with disabilities and provide funding for the
residents Social Services as well their first building to
be built with Belden apartments in Lincoln Park in 1982.
And now they have / 236 units in 15 buildings across
Illinois. They're based in Evanston, and they're the
Region's largest provider of Housing and supportive
services for this targeted population.
I rearranged my presentation while I was waiting, but I did
not I did not decide so you just go back to the projects.
The project is currently the site of a Lutheran Church and
the adjoining parking lot. The plan is for the Lutheran
Church to donate their property to Over the Rainbow and get
donation tax credits from Ida. The church will be torn down
and a six-story elevator building with 37 one-bedroom units
affordable to Renters of 30% Ami or below will be built all
the building. All the units are for tenants with
disabilities mobility issues and they will all be fully
accessible and they're all going to have project-based
vouchers from c h a
don't have access to Supportive Services and there will be
12 parking spaces. It's located in a Transit Rich area for
near the red wine. And so they can benefit from the Tod
parking guidelines.
This is a Ariel of the site. The red building is the red
line indicates the church in the parking lot and it's
across the street from a newish police station.
This is a picture of a church. I mean that sort of empty
looking area is where they're parking lot is.
financially the
project is going to be largely supported by Ida.
A little bit small, but I just going to be giving a million
dollars and permanent loan funds are going to give 7
million and 8 a trust funds. There are going to issue
bonds, which is going to generate tax credit equity and the
city is being asked to give up to 6 million $350,000 which
includes a home loan of about 5.8 million and then some
money in Chicago recovery funds. The total project budget
is 31332300. + $67.
Our request is to approve the 5.81 million in multi-family
loan funds. I know that Alderman Lawson is here to speak
about the project and the developer and their Consultants
are here as well if you have any questions, thank you any
questions before the below. So maybe can
All of my lost maybe when the project and they have the
other person to thank you so much for the presentation.
I'll just started during Robin Manuel's Administration.
Actually, it's for the I m going through a few different
phases as you can imagine over the 45 years. We've been
working on this cost of gone through the roof with changed
our zoning code. And this is the last piece of financing. I
don't have city-owned land in my word anymore. So they have
the the church like you lose her and extend their mission
the housing and to create what is you know, the really
Innovative housing model. I'm that supports the church's
mission in the church has space than on the first floor to
go into was really exciting. I got it is about a
block-and-a-half from the red line and it's another half a
box of Wrigley Field if they're so inclined and a block
east is a jewel across the street to the police station
with a senior LGBT Center across the street. So I don't
know if that actually Whole Foods is right there too. So
it's an amazing spot, especially my neighborhood to walk
roll access Transit and one of the few opportunities, we
really have and neighborhoods like mine to bring
affordability. So I wanted to give a shout out actually two
are Partners were here Lila Beauty by the pastor of Life
Lutheran Church. I was wearing her very pretty colorful the
first road here. John Russo from Over the Rainbow. I'm Anna
Debbie Schwartz and Maggie dressed in white and give a
group who have been.
And getting this done and getting over the finish line that
you know, it's it's been a lot of hands in here in a real
mix. We got to go back to the state of the city for a
little more than we started with. And so I really
appreciates what were able to do exciting project
something. I think we could do it a lot of places in the
city actually. So thank you. I'll have to answer any
questions to the church or the community and the building
is this is it coming with parking is or is cuz I heard you
say parking garage 12th parking spaces 12:12 and that will
accommodate the folks that that does not going to come
today to people who actually cuz it's one bedrooms correct
or more apartments or one-bedroom and it's all accessible.
So I might need is not high. There will be something
they're Supportive Services on site as well so that they
may be more employee parking. There's maybe a dozen spaces.
You want a Cubs game right now which helps sustain the
church?
So they did not needing a big need right now other than cops
and we got a lot of compartments. That's all I had. Thank
you for everything you missed a thank you for the person
that Taylor other one.
Excuse me, mister chairman. Can we hold this item to a
later item on the agenda? Because I believe this item
should be in the finance committee and not the housing
committee because there isn't Tiffin bonds. Generally the
housing deals. We usually get the bond deals that comes
from bonds.
We're not this city isn't issuing bonds. They were then it
would go to financing. We have a test for hearing before.
Okay. Well, I just talked to Jeff Levine just get
clarification because the finance committee has been
dealing with the bonds project. Okay, and
if you could just hold this for until he calls me back and
you mind Mister chairman or other Mi demesmin. I'm going to
do the end of the meeting and so I'm not trying to hold it.
I just don't want things to be done in proper order.
At the end we going to follow up with item number for is
Orleans 02023 0 0 0 5 9 4 8 license and subscription
Services agreement with prolink Solutions Inc for the
Department of Housing data management acting commissioner
Jim horn from the apartment housing Express in to testify
on behalf of this ordinance think of the commissioner.
We just moved a little bit because of the item is going to
be covered at the end. So, thank you. Thank you.
Good afternoon of chairman and members of the committee for
the record Jim Moran acting commissioner Department of
Housing. I'm here today today to discuss the department of
how is his request to speak authority to procure
implementation services in connection with her efforts to
modernize the Department's system for financing in monetary
multi-family affordable rental housing in accordance with
the federal requirements show.
there
perfect. Thank you.
Why it matters so here before we jump into the details.
Just wanted to give you a bit of contacts. This is an
unusual request that would be coming to the house in real
estate committee. So I wanted to give you a call but why it
matters here so currently our system for financing in
Ironton 4000 involves a variety of different decentralised
tools. If you have a an Oracle database who have an old
database from a stink the late nineties that holds some
really old projects in financial instruments in there. So
we have a lot of demand for affordable housing. We have
over 25,000 units above 450 buildings in our current
portfolio and that continues to grow investing in a
comprehensive software solution will not recognize the
Department's efforts to develop Desmond priority is a
financial analysis tool in here also to the market and
maintain our initial orange. Sorry internal processes
including
Our annual reporting that we do through any owner
certifications physical inspections and Records on this
will be our repository for the federal government. And for
the IRS. Why were here cuz this is a unique request.
I work Wireless offer system again to modernize our in to
monitor our on current functions and are expanding the
affordable housing portfolio on the city has a Contracting
Authority the purchase Technology Solutions using a
third-party broker of cdw-g computer Discount Warehouse for
government. So that is a DPS department Human Services
contract. However, we have not to school choir the
software. We also need to purchase implementation services
that are not covered under the CW's Contracting Authority.
So because of that on prolink what does providing those if
implementation Services we are here to seek Authority from
this body to contract with prolink.
And so I can work here in a unique situation because CDW
does not provide 100% of what we need. We need an outside
party prolink to provide us with the implementation
services and the law department has the dress is one of
several paths in this is the path that makes the most
sense. So we're going to fold at the front of the full body
here at housing real estate and all those who Fall City
Council approval. So we have full transparency in our
process.
Backgrounds of the purpose of this request again has to
sleep already stripper cheerleading permutation services
from prolink the acquisition of prolink. Mhfa bosses the
full name of the housing Financial software that will
modernize financing and compliance monitoring functions
required by hot in the IRS the software contains
proprietary modules that will only prolong Services can
Implement and again note that the software license is being
purchased under cdw's blanket contract authority to buy
Technology Solutions.
The background I'm here prolink is a colorado-based company
that provides to tackle the affordable housing Finance
industry to efficiently allocate Capital managed assets and
maintain compliance. They offer industry-leading technology
and Enterprise to automate business practices and improved
at accessibility on this is a dynamic. It's in the cloud
system and at his Dynamic reporting that we currently don't
have as well just to name a couple of agencies that are
using this the state of Wisconsin, New York, Michigan and
California are all using the system.
Here is a list of some other on customers as well on
there's a couple different from from Wisconsin and it's
which typically the the state Housing Finance Agency on
that are using is cuz those are the light at agencies.
We're unique again because we are have our own on
allocation of funds on the beds as well as I attack as well
purchase details.
This is a $221,835 request for implementation for for this
year. Again, the scope of services are project management
Services doing kickoff meeting client environmental set up
on business process review merely had a Consulting the
dinner business mapping for us, but it's now taking that
risk this process and implementing it through the work
flows into the system application template mapping data
migration virtual training. All of this is all part of what
we will be receiving for this initial funds. Are we are
finding this with the Chicago recovery plan funds and those
funds were allocated and were part of the capital plan that
was done. I'm a few years ago for those funds.
Leave that is the end of my presentation and I'm happy to
take any questions.
Thank you acting commissioner in Taylor.
Was this contract put out to bid?
I'm so I'm we did an exhaustive search internally looking
at other different states and such and using CDW, which was
competitively bid that Sue on apartment services. So they
already did bidding there. So that was already the cbw
contract was through a competitive bidding process the
proline component of this it is not it but that's the piece
that we need to actually Implement what CDW has selected
for us.
Can you go back to slide where you talk about? What it's so
is that
are any of these uncle that one right there?
The folks that you said to use this system are any of them
comparable to Chicago? Cuz I don't how we using a system
that we don't actually know what actually make your job
easier. So I'm the ones I mentioned New York on Wisconsin,
California. So they're all they all have their own lightech
on low-income housing tax credit funds as well as they have
home investment partnership funds and that's what the the
system that we have his it's designed.
Top rated this 200 and can you go next Slide the one with
the cost?
Whether this $221,000 that's a one-time call. So we paying
their yearly houses though. So this is a one-time cost for
the invitation. But yes, there is an ongoing annual fee are
current on system that we have an in-house Ahmanson
oracle-based system that also has an ongoing. I'm annual
fee all of the software companies require ongoing fees that
way if you have a glitch in the data anything happens there
on retainer and they they fix that they update. It's all
part of the annual Services contract.
So that we need to somebody else cuz it just looks like the
me if I'm I'm looking at this be paying $221,000 and then
it's over but then I also see how long is the contract?
That's number one what happens if it doesn't work are we we
stuck with this because we signed the contract.
So many parts of the answers so looks like our subscription
cost running in the the midterm elections. It kind of goes
down and starts out higher in the beginning like three
hundred eighty thousand a year and buy 2027 Redondo just a
little over three hundred thousand a year and that's about
comprable but we're paying currently with the current
system that were using cloud-based system that we had. We
had built custom for the city and
that system does not have Dynamic reporting. It doesn't
have a financial tool. It doesn't do construction
management of so, it doesn't it doesn't have a cloud as
it's not accessible to to any of us unless you're in the in
the city at you can't even access it from home when you're
working from home. So it's an Antiquated system versus this
system is really built for a financial tool for financial
analysis both on the front end of projects. But also on our
asset management when property owners are coming in to be
capitalized. We don't real currently. It's all like
spreadsheets and I'm using other systems to look at
Financial records in to help us under right and Andre
capitalize projects is really what labor-intensive house on
the front and we don't have that ability to use a dynamic
software to cuz we don't have one.
But you just stated that we built our own so why are we not
rebuilding on what we can we built ours really a
repository. So it is it satisfies our route records
retention requirements from hardened IRS. There's some
minor kind of like reporting that we can do. So like
tracking tracking the properties by whether they are in
compliance with their annual recertification or their
records inspections are physical inspections. We can do
that but we can't produce Dynamic reports. We also the
current system is very manual. So when it when it goes from
a home affordability. To a tax credit. To Extended use. Is
different reporting requirements and oversight
requirements. So we have depending upon the funding source
and whatever is the most restrictive funding source of the
time it's all manual right now. So if we get that wrong,
that's the potential finding so it was nice about this. Is
this all that
System just manages it that way but they keep he's that
that you'll hear the staff talk about is really the
financial analysis tool in the ability to to review perform
has to do a better job of underwriting as well as when we
have managed our older properties to look at their
financial situations with what's going on with their
operating income. Their capital of Revenue reserves
accounts to really get dug.
Check on the health of that of that property management
company and also to determine whether or not I know they're
worthy of the capitalization and how much money we should
be getting back with forgiving on her loans or not. That's
really weird. Value-added is where is this company based
upon company is based in, Colorado.
who the chair I would like to see the list of folks who got
to bid on this because we we alternate Lee are dependent on
somebody from Colorado always nice to have our
Oh, thank you agent absolutely. I
good afternoon committee for the record. My name is age of
honor of a financial planning on a loose in the Department
of Housing and I was tasked with identifying software
systems to support our work. So to build off with some of
the points that genre's he reference the current system
that we use now. It's a legacy system that we did build
custom to fit the work of the department when we were
Consolidated with the Department of planning as well. So
it's really that existing system is built to serve other
needs that are not necessarily specific or housing an
ongoing monitoring and in compliance reporting like Jim
spoke to and so this system was selected in particular
because it it's
It's industry-standard in our analysis of what other
housing agencies that are similarly situated like us hope
you know Chicago is unique in that we have tax credit
allocating Authority most local housing agency job has bad.
So we're basically kind of peers with other states. And so
and looking at what other states use they use this system.
There are two other sort of Mainstay competitors or they
use nothing at all and just have sort of a combination of
spreadsheets which is kind of what we're doing. Do we have
spreadsheet that we have the Legacy system that were using
none of which adequately serve our needs and so when you
all have questions about how many units are here and when
do we do this at we're like, you know kind of scrambling we
do our best and we are thorough and professional course,
but this system would help us centralized that information
and readily provided and so like I said, they are
Industries.
Our players and what that slide showed up all the different
state logos. Those are the other state housing tax credit
allocating agencies that subscribe to the systems are
there. They are our peers independently sort of directly
spoke with other state agencies that are about the size of
Chicago and terms of their portfolio and their production
rate and they went through an RFP process.
That's practically hands down voted for this solution as
opposed to the other two main staying competitors and what
else to say about the other two primary competitors from
our review and our analysis of how those systems work there
better serve for our sister Agency. For example, like a
Chicago Housing Authority or agencies that issue belcher's
we, you know have tax credits. We have home funds and our
own corporate funds that you know, we Monitor and have our
priorities around silver slightly different from
what the needs armies are slightly different from what the
other primary competitors cater to this squarely focus is
on our tax credit peace and can help bolster our ability to
analyze the projects that we have in and evaluates Austin
and these kind of implications as well as to the ongoing
compliance. I hope that's helpful you thank you. You
answered my question perfectly. My last question is is this
something that we would be able to access an automatic
office. So instead of me just calling you there is
something that I can go to and I can look it up. So not
quite that so this is definitely an internal tool for our
own project management our own evaluation in Tucson going
just so we know what we have but when you call a zoo
Posit taking us a couple days. Maybe a couple weeks were
hoping that it just would be a matter of by the end of the
day kind of situation. Thank you. Thank you.
And thank you. I just anyone have any questions.
I have a few questions on.
D. I need clarification you say the the
There was a program that was secured from ctw.
Where that program is relying on this program to continue
to function.
Oh as you you might be familiar, our procurement process is
challenging sometimes and so we effectively have two
parallel tracks and we're purchasing two parallel things
were purchasing the software and the license itself
provided by prolink Solutions. And in the vendor is here in
the audience today if you have additional questions as
well, so that's the product itself, but
They also have to like implement it and put it in our
machines and help us get our policies and protocols align
so that when we when the systems on our computer, we use it
and user correctly. Right? And so that tastes like a 12
month process. So what we're here today, or if I get city
council approval to purchase but implementation Services.
Where is CDW has the authority to purchase the licensing
and software? So when the software was purchased we knew we
were going to have to come back and talk about this the
money for their implementation plan.
But that's a that's a good question.
I hope I answered this correctly. So the authority that CDW
has they had that long time ago right now. I'm sorry, but
purchasing Proline we knew that we were going to come back
and and or or or was it decided later that we were also
going to pay them for the implementation of the new that
was going to implementation. I don't think we knew that we
needed to come to this body to ask for approval to retain
Pro Link services to do limitation mean obviously a
meditation was going to be part of it because it's as if
they just stated right that's getting that set up a
business.
Lowe's getting set up and Smith on our Center systems if we
need some things moved around so be more user-friendly
that's all part of what they'll do and make sure they were
using it correctly. We did not know we're going to have to
come to this body to the water department thought of a
bastard be brought into this body into the phone Council
doubt because of the extra pieces of a little awkward if we
knew that was going to be extra.
$300,000 bag of that should have been bought during budget,
but this is just the way that to make sure that we are
being transparent make sure that that all 50 all our men
are aware, This is taking place. Okay. Can you go back to
the scope on it?
is the system that I'm
the scope is full right now.
Okay, so when the eyeball it again, it doesn't that I do
not see where.
Well, let me ask Alexis. I understand that you guys with
the department will be trained on the software and then you
use it.
Will a subject matter expert within Department be developed
at that time, so we don't have to come back at a later time
to employ them for updates and things like that. Basically
the same as it's another maintenance cost associated with
this.
But that there shouldn't be this. I'm going in a ongoing
cost annually to maintain the system maintain the light
that's like we already have the business flows. So that's
what we're Asia and others that are the experts that are
the users and they'll be working with the team from prolink
to to put together the implementation and to make sure that
things are functioning the way that is actually are all as
our process cuz different states may have their process a
little bit different that you want to become a part of a
new renewal of license going for it and you anticipate that
the company will
You come back and train more and if so, would that cost us?
What was your idea about that and don't anticipate that but
only in the annual budget the dollar amount will be in the
annual budget currently is for the current promise as soon
as in the annual budget that goes through the full budget.
So if we didn't need to like all we want to add something
else or there's some new technology or something that we
would add that disturb you with a bunch of processing
typically feed them Avenue that we would take. Okay, that's
okay and we talked about the Legacy system and I get Oracle
did Oracle have an opportunity to, did they have that
process the oracles to Legacy system. It sounds like you
trying to knew that they wouldn't be able to carry the type
of scope that we need to go on Ford and they have an
opportunity. You just cut him. So the Bender actually is
Clarity Partners. Who is the coach of the vendor for his
Oracles of that is the hardware store.
Clarity Partners, I believe again. I'm done and gentle
involved cuz it's the contract is a GPD.
We had conversations with them that they don't have the
capacity to build what they were we need to see my natural
analysis tools dpd because the PD deals with lights at
credits as well. That's even when with dealing with the
bill comes back to you. Got a lot lot of our multi-family
rental projects have his money text him and financing is
involved because the Tif money is managed by GPD even
though it's a supplemental application and the Department
of Housing built a family finance application that the chip
as a supplemental when you're requesting other soft buns or
4% bonds or lightech. I'm housing you but if but if he's
doing. Because Steph is involved. So that's why there's
some crossover and why we have some joint projects, so
there's no other departments.
That's doesn't do to my questions. Thank you. Jim preciate
nice turn. All right.
Germantown do you have any game you look okay.
All right. Well with that said can I get a motion to
recommend approval this item?
So lose all those in favor say aye.
all those opposed say nay
Independence shaved ice happy, I'm sorry item number 3 my
colleague has a 10 appointment and I want to make sure he
makes it and I talked to the law department and to IGA and
I'm fine with this going through this coming.
When was 2nd?
All right.
Thank you for that Jim and out. So we're going with we
going back to the item three for reasons that are Tramadol
just stated. Are there any additional questions with
respect item three?
ottoman Quinn moves so moves
All those in favor say aye all those opposed name in the
pain of chairs. The eyes have it.
Let me make sure.
Do with respect item through the do pass recommendation of
this ordinance will be reported out the next city council
meeting on Wednesday, December 13th, 2023.
Now back to items for the weekend.
I don't find Adam five is working is 202-300-0579 three
authorization for flexible housing pool program with
initial grant funding a maximum five-year extension of
landlord rental subsidy program by Department of Family and
support service as administrator.
Do we have more McCauley from the Department of Family
Services get your present or right to testify on behalf of
the ordinance?
I'm good afternoon, Michelle Lopez by Sir Mitchell and
members of the committee. My name is Maura Macaulay. I'm
the managing Deputy Commissioner at the Department of
Family and support services. And I'm here to present on the
reauthorizing ordinance for the flexible housing pool. The
flexible housing pool was created as a funding pool with
shared goals and operations to give multiple systems that
are traditionally operated in silos the opportunity to join
together to leverage resources towards the shared goal of
housing vulnerable. Chicago wins is a permanent Supportive
Housing program that is funded through public-private
Partnerships. It was really originally designed to break
the cycle of homelessness and improve housing and help out
individuals who are frequent users of the homeless
Healthcare jail prison systems and other crisis systems in
Chicago and Cook County.
We recently expanded the facts about housing pool to serve
young people and families impacted by violence as well as
returning residents from the Illinois Department of
Corrections housing pool launched in 2018, when the city
council initially authorized the ordinance to create it the
flexible housing pool as a permanent supportive.
The program provides non-title limited Financial or rental
subsidies wraparound case management and care coordination.
The care coordination comes in partnership with hospitals
and Healthcare systems that are referring their patients to
the program employment education Mental Health Services,
the apartments come furnished and then obviously linkages
to other community resources of households need to maintain
their their housing stability.
The initial authorizing ordinance was approved in 2018 and
it does ignited the city via the Department of Family and
support services to enter in the contractual agreements
with the with a program administrator who was selected
through a competitive RFP and any additional funders. So
this new ordinance is essentially reauthorizing the
flexible housing pool as a as a program and allowing the
city through the Department of Family and support services
to enter into new agreements to continue the term of the
program.
In terms of funding the city was the foundational
Funderland the flexible housing bolt pool was created and
the investment has grown over the five-year term from the
both the city and from multiple new systems that have
contributed funding to the to the initiative.
We have six million dollars in corporate funding that has
been allocated in the 2024 budget. This was a $500,000
increase over 2023 6.6 million and a RP funding to support
young people who are referred by the DSs can program to
support their housing stability. And then the the facts
about housing pool leverages funding contributions from
another a number of other systems and investors these the
groups that are listed up here have contributed to the
facts about housing pull over the course of The Last 5
Years.
I'm and so far with the city funding and with the
additional funding that other systems are contributing to
the flexible housing pool. We've allocated about $49 over
the last five years to the program.
So the goals of the flexible housing pool are to improve
health outcomes reduce cost on public systems House people
as quickly as possible. So this was really created to be
flexible flexibility means reducing as many barriers to
housing as possible.
To get people in the housing as quickly as possible. We know
from our work with people experiencing homelessness when
they're ready to come inside if we have to house them
immediately because the opportunity you might pass people
are moving around and it might be hard to connect with them
and it's just really important to their health outcomes and
their well-being to get the palace as quickly as possible
and then of course promoting long-term housing stability,
so I'm excited to share that we have placed nearly 1,300
people in the housing as of October 2023 this include 738
household 343 of those were youth-led households. 97% of
households are retaining their house there housing for at
least 12 months. So that's a really high housing retention
rate.
We are also engaged in an evaluation through Cook County
Health which found that the clients who are housed with the
facts about housing pool experience lower mortality rates
and reduced risk for jail registrations emergency
department visits and inpatient treatment and with the
reduction in the utilization of those Services. There's an
estimated 1.4 million dollars and cost-savings on public
systems just from the early part of the program so that
evaluation
Continuing but those are early and promising findings for
the program.
So is that
we will take questions on the ordinance you have any
questions regarding this?
Armand Hammer work
I don't know. I've always will not.
I thank you for your presentation. Can you explain to me
how we work with Cook County? Sure. So cook honey. How
about housing pool? They've contributed to housing they
were one of the original contributors and help us design
the program. So they track people's housing status when
they come in for Care at any of the county hospital any of
their satellite facilities including the Cermak Health Care
Services in the Cook County Jail.
When we originally started the program to identify
individuals who were really high utilizers of systems. We
did a data match with the homeless management information
system. This is very wonky. But they the way that we
identify the patients in the first cohort was through the
state of match. So we identified a list of of individuals
who qualified Outreach teams were assigned to help locate
them Cook County Health did things like put
trackers in their system. So if one of the patients showed
up at the emergency room, they can contact one of the
housing providers to say Hey, you know more McCauley is
here. She's ready for housing. They also are providing the
ongoing health care and care coordination. So they work
with the case management team to kind of keep that
Continuum of Care going.
Why is it a maximum five-year extension? Why why was that
Max put on?
At least that's how it is. It is a five-year term. That was
really the that's the typical tournament contract that we
enter into. So that was that was established program is
being successful, which it is in five years time to hands
depending on who is sitting here. We would have the
opportunity to extend it right? That was all I needed to
know. Thank you. Thank you.
Let me down.
Thank you gentleman, who is the program administrator? I
saw that in the traitor is the center for housing and
health. Could you repeat that a center for housing and
health?
Where they located are located in the loop, they do the
housing management and pay the rent and do a lot of the
landlord locations, but they partner with 20 different
community-based organizations to do the Housing Services.
Okay, and the six million dollars from corporate funds for
next year 6 million and up for next year. How much from the
private people for next year?
I would have to get get that to you the chair for you.
Okay? And then the last question I have is these services
are new arrivals able to access the services?
I mean and have they know not in as it not as of as of this
point, really the focus is high utilizers for the for the
adult population. People are being referred by the hospital
or the Illinois Department of Corrections for the Youth
population are being referred to the scan program. So they
would have to fall into one of those categories and in
order to get referred to the program. Okay. So this is
because some of the same resources that are offered two new
arrivals through I think it's Life Center.
Is the same kind of services offered here and I just want
to make sure we're not double-dipping. It's a separate
program. Thank you. Can you provide the requirements for
the program in any stipulations in within the program to
share McDowell's point if you like shows like you like that
so we can have some can I can I can provide it through the
chair for sure of the other requirements. There's not a
citizenship requirement.
Are there any questions questions? Alright, can I get a
motion to recommend approval this item?
LaSpada's, so lose all those in favor. Say aye all those
opposed say name in the pan of the chair. The eyes have it.
Did you pass recommendation of this awareness will report
out at the next city council meeting on Wednesday, December
13th, 2023 there being no further business as I can tell
looks like Spanish. Can I get a motion to approve vagina?
Again, can I get the most to recommend approval of John
vice-chairman Garnett? So lose all those in favor? Say all
those opposed name in the peanuts are the eyes have it this
meeting of the committee on housing real estate is a
journey. Thank you all.