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three minutes and our first speaker is Mr. Blakemore.
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do it. Thank you.
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Hello, can you?
Hello, can you hear me? Yes.
Hello.
Hello, my name is Jada and I'm a resident of the Fifth Ward
here today remotely with the Jewish Council. Urban Affairs.
I am here because I believe that housing is a human right
is not by random chance at sixty-eight thousand of our
neighbors here in Chicago have no place to call home but a
deliberate Choice Decades of corruption redlining and
disinvestment promoted by Alderman in your feet. I
prioritize the prophet the big developers in Bay over the
needs of ordinary people. And how is our city responded by
cutting back public services and replacing them with
stopgap measures like homeless shelter temporary place to
sleep with a friend or relative house during the shelter is
not housing when I was younger. I volunteered at a local
homeless shelter in a Steven cooking and serving food in a
church basement home a home isn't a place where you have to
leave at 6 a.m. In order to
Hello, John.
job prospects it seems
Job prospects. It seems not even a
Job prospects, it seems not even exist.
play
replace that
A place that you don't know if you'll be able to return to
you for a meal or some rest at the end of a long day a home
is in a place where you have to wait in line behind dozens
of strangers on a plastic plate. It's not a place for you
to sleep among the roads of bunk beds completely surrounded
by people yet separated from your loved ones people deserve
more than this. This is why over the past several months. I
have invested my kind of organizing canvassing and
educating in support of Chicago home to the Jewish Council
Urban Affairs bring Chicago home to shelter people but to
provide a place that one can call home a home that is
stable and long-term a place that allows for autonomy and
economic recovery and a system back by Supportive Services
all of Ruben De Forma system. That is 98% effective
everything residence within the first year.
ultimately City Council
Ultimately city council now faces, the decision of
priorities continues to protect the interests of wealthy
homeowners Real Estate Investors and developers Above All
Else. His life is a situation in which we find ourselves
today of its most vulnerable residents Association of
Realtors in the temple of real estate lobbyists in the
audience today hoping to protect their profit margins and
spread disinformation.
Would you stay?
Would you stand with?
Would you stand with the majority of Chicago in degree that
is time to bring Chicago home by Iron City Council to
Choose Wisely. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Our first our next speaker is going to be Tom Benedito.
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Good morning, Jerome Harris members of the city council. My
name is Tom benedetto. I'm the director of local advocacy
at Illinois Realtors a day to present a Marcus Market
perspective on this ballot initiative. I've provided the
chair with a copy of our us a one-page overview of our
position as well as a analysis of the current housing
market and its snippet from a local article that shows just
how valuable this Revenue stream.
is and has
Is and has been over the last.
Is and has been over the last one of you.
Is and has been over the last 20 years. So let's first
discuss Market realities a healthy real estate market is
critical to the residents and economy of Chicago. It allows
us to have city services. It helps maintain existing small
businesses and lower new companies. It keeps families and
neighborhoods stable.
What's today?
What's today's?
What's today's Chicago homeowners face? I property taxes
Rising interest rates and increase utility costs are cities
Rising vacancy rates Rising median home prices and Rising
rents clearly indicate that Chicago's economy and its
housing market are in trouble and are both on the verge of
further decline.
so City,
Do city council has a duty to try to avoid what has been
described as the urban Doom Loop which can already be seen
in other major US cities post obit according to the
University of Chicago. The average resident will pay more
in property taxes if the values of downtown buildings
continue to plunge.
downtown
Downtown decline of facts everyone from West Ridge to West
Roseland from Belmont Cragin to Belmont Harbor to
Bronzeville homeowners and renters in the city will bear
the burden of an increase in taxes as a result not see a
tax cut as proponents claim reduction for a future buyer
will have no finacial benefit to existing homeowners with
these market conditions in mind. We posed to critical
questions for the council today in advance of the vote
should a market in Decline with residents hurting as a
result be taxed further. And number two is a volatile
Revenue Source like a transfer tax, which changes every
year based on market performance unappropriate source of
funding for our most vulnerable population. If you care
about protecting the housing market from further harm and
you care about having stable sources of revenue for the on
how's the answer to both of these questions is now
thank
enclosed
Enclosing Realtors care about and invest our time and
resources and keeping our neighborhoods strong residents
deserve a comprehensive strategy that will create more
Housing Opportunity and affordability Realtors want and
need to be part of the solution and hope to be include
included in further conversations until then Realtors
energy to imposes initiative today by voting now. Thank you
for time. Thank you.
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Nexus you
Nexus Yume Grigsby and she's the chief of policy from the
mayor's office and she's going to be representing everybody
that's in the Box.
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Good afternoon to
Good afternoon, chairwoman and City Council Members. My
name is Jimmy Grigg City chief of policy for the mayor's
office. Let me do me a favor and put you not take her time
off just for a minute just introduced was in the box. So
I'm so sorry. I apologize. So with me in the box if you
have commissioner Brandy cannot see commissioner of the
FSS. We have Deputy managing commissioner more McCauley
from DSS. We have our budget director and that Guzman. We
have a controller chased by Winco.
we have our
We have our a
We have are acting can.
We have our acting Commissioner of d o h Jim Moran and I'm
sorry, I don't know who the last person is. I'm sorry.
Trace
Tracy r a
Tracey Randolph from Boma
thank
Thank you.
Thank you now, go ahead. Yes.
Thank you. Madam. Chairman is public testimony over in
public administration participating in public. Thank you.
Okay.
Okay, you owe me apology Daniel hurt who is our policy
director from the Department of Housing and we also have
Juan Sebastian arya's who is Deputy and the policy team. We
have Carla Jacobs who is with the brain Chicago home
Coalition we have
Okay, so
okay. Sorry. I'll stop right there.
thank
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Get out.
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Good afternoon, Sherrill.
Good afternoon. Chairwoman Harrison City Council Members.
My name is Yumi Grigsby chief of policy for the mayor's
office were excited to be here today to share with the
committee on rules the Johnson Administration proposal to
draw Chicago's homelessness crisis by creating a dedicated
flexible Revenue through Progressive real estate transfer
tax. We are here today to ask for your support in the first
of several steps needed to meet this Vision, which is the
passage of a resolution to ask Chicago voters to weigh in
on the proposal near Johnson was elected to build a safer
stronger better Chicago and that includes his vision of
combating homelessness and ensuring all Chicago in
Act
access
Access to have the ability to Access housing currently over
sixty-eight thousand of our neighbors experience
homelessness, both literal and double duck that include
over 17,000 CPS students. Also that include 70% of our
homeless wear black Chicago in while the city has made
progress. The recent Investments current resources are
time-limited and overly rigid to address our City's needs
for example Federal resources. Sometimes do not meet the
needs of our returning residents. And those who are living
doubled up. The mayor's bring Chicago home proposal would
generate dedicated flexible Revenue by creating a 3-tiered
marginal Progressive real estate tax which includes a lower
rate for nearly 96% of all property sales in Chicago and
went to sign to not impact the city's corporate fun that
mean for 96% of homeowners in Chicago. They will experience
has changed as a tax cut.
the
this
This is
the solution of Houma
The solution to homelessness is prevention and housing
permanent Supportive Housing.
bill
build a
building 40
Building permanent Supportive Housing would save us
approximately 35,000 in emergency services per person over
2 years.
under the
Under the proposal new revenue generated by the increase
over the current real estate tax on real estate transfer
tax rate would be placing. So special Revenue funds for the
sole purpose of addressing homelessness the priority of
supporting and evidence based housing first approach to
permanent Supportive Housing city council course would have
final approval to the budget process.
and then
and in the
An independent analysis was conducted by Professor from the
University of Chicago Harris School of public policy on the
proposal as well finding the proposal would more evenly
distribute the real estate transfer tax burden across
residential and commercial property sales reducing the
impact on owner-occupied properties and having minimal
impact on rent as an example the rent the real estate
transfer tax is the one-time transfer tax that only applies
at the point-of-sale. It would not create ongoing recurring
increases and Builder owners operational cost like their
property tax.
even a
even if the full real
Even if the full real estate transfer tax increases passed
on to tenants if we look at 2021 rents would have would
have risen less than $2 per month on a $1,300 per month
Apartments.
turn
done at since we're
Done at since we're asking you to take this to the voters
of Chicago to decide. Thank you.
our next week
Our next speaker is Tracey Randolph.
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good morning, everyone. I am Tracey Randolph. I am a
disabled vet out of the city of Chicago. I strongly opposed
the transfer tax increase in Chicago was not easy for me or
my family. My mom was a single mom who have to raise our
children in Chicago who was on welfare.
and I am one of the
And I am one of those poor children and tragically two of
my siblings was murdered in Chicago. My little brother was
murdered in 2012. My sister was murdered in 1992.
Raleigh
Do all these difficulties that has happened in my family. I
Rose to the occasion. I didn't want to let my circumstances
affect me and I enlisted in the Army and served six years
got out and am now disabled that I own a property in
Bronzeville Chicago and now was such an amazing thing to
actually do with nobody else in my family did and to have
that property was such a struggle of liking finance and
going through the whole entire progress of maintaining that
property in to see that there's a transfer tax is going to
affect me and I live in Bronxville and there's so many
developments happening and my property value has gone up
substantially and that should be a blessing but that
actually hinder me is I go forward and I want to and that's
another properties because if I had sold this property and
it was kind of insulting. Somebody said all that tax more
effect you ate absolutely will $30,000 like when we did the
numbers and stuff.
now trust
About roughly around 3.
about roughly around 30
About roughly around 30,000 if not a little bit more how
that affects if I wanted to go into the next property and
wanted to continue to invest that cuts deeply into me says
based off. I had to start out with loans to get this and
then to go even further to do Renovations and for my
tenants and you know, I have a standard with my tenants. I
wouldn't have the list of where that I would want to live.
And of course I wouldn't want to raise rents that I have to
in order to mend.
That proper.
That property and is even cutting me out.
that property and is even cutting me out of Eden certain
areas if I
areas. If I wanted to invest going to reinvest in
Brownsville because I can't afford it and the route were
there and as a real estate agent as well and I also
represent the NBA if I forgot to say that as well, so I'm
also license real estate agent on the commercial side to
see the things that are affecting our downtown Market to
affecting our City's residential places. This was strongly
affect each and everyone of us and it's so many other
African Americans that are trying to do something different
in their communities and our neighborhood and we're being
pushed out and it is so difficult to see that this is
another place where I have to hit a brick road and I want
to get further into this. I want to do more of my
communities the how can I do that if the transfer taxes
going to take even more so now I can't really get invest in
multifamily. I got to go to single family homes and if
that's even possible, so I strongly opposed
thank
Thank you. Our next speaker. Is Dominique to?
Good after.
Good afternoon.
my
My name is dummy.
My name is Dominic shoe. I'm here representing AIDS
Foundation Chicago our fortuitous afd moving forward and
I'm also a resident of the 45th Ward.
I'm not.
I'm not to give her. Peace.
An advocate for people living with and vulnerable to HIV as
a renter at the Chicago in I'm here to speak in support of
bring Chicago home.
AFC
If she believes that housing is a human rights, we believe
that housing is Healthcare and we've seen and we have data
to prove that housing is the best intervention. We have to
stop a transmission of HIV and to ensure that people living
with HIV can live there healthiest lives.
Thanks for
things to put
Thanks to programs like the flexible housing pool next to
the tireless work of our direct service in case management
team's Chicagoans living with and vulnerable to HIV and
other chronic health conditions are not just able to
navigate a complex housing system. But also received the
wraparound Services needed to create long-term stability,
which is the most effective solution to ending homelessness
for families and individuals and this is the basis of bring
Chicago home.
I don't.
I understand. They're many questions are.
I understand their many questions rbchs impact on Runners
as a runner. I'm here to tell you we will not be impacted
by bring Chicago home.
to be clear
To be clear usage is not a property tax as a one-time tax
on a property when it is sold. If your mom bring your
hearing's in the real estate Lobby is just honest Airlines
you and 4 years large preparation and management companies
have been raising rents when they buy a property if your
rent goes up, it will not be because of bring Chicago home.
It's because of the money hungry about the Sol Chicagoans
refusing to pay their fair share.
and other Chicago
And other Chicago and we live in the greatest city in the
world. What makes Chicago amazing is that we care for each
other and we love our city and on this snowy day when we
have Fellowship call Gwen's forced to sleep in the streets.
I urge everyone to join us in supporting bring Chicago home
as a responsible plan to end homelessness in our city.
They
Thank you are not.
Thank you our next speaker as far as a brain.
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And you hit me up.
And your mail perfect. Thank you everyone. Thank you.
Madam, Sara. I'm parked and praying on the executive
director of Boma Chicago. We are the city's trade
Association for all of our downtown to sense it all of our
downtown high-rise Office Buildings. We don't do any
residential so I had a presentation prepared. I was going
to
Talk to you about.
Talk to you about the state of the office in.
talk to you about the state of the office and
Talk to you about the state of the office in the street.
Facts about the state of the office in the street. I'm going
to assume that you've already paid for in the last year and
just take for granted every realizes. We're in a crisis of
Our Own in downtown Chicago in the office in the street.
We've got about 60 Willis Tower hours worth of empty
Unleased space in our downtown and anything from forty to
eighty percent losses in value again in these office
buildings that are investments in Chicago. So our challenge
with this proposed funding stream. Nobody can test that. We
have a housing crisis. We have a migrant crisis with
homelessness crisis are challenged with this proposed
funding stream is that you're adopting a rhetoric about
mansions in excess and sort of a moral. Let's punish call
Uncle rich people that doesn't apply to Office Buildings
Office Buildings are not Mansions. They're not people their
economic activity. The core function of our industry is to
go recruit investment from across the world to Chicago and
that investment directly goes to a union dominated in the
street top to bottom everybody in our building.
stuff for the
Stop for the prop.
Stop with the proper.
For the property manager, you are unionized everybody that
builds the buildings are unionized everybody that maintains
the buildings are all Union. They also go to heavily
subsidize the property taxes of all of our residential
buildings. So a 40 to 80% drop in office building values
downtown is about a 10 to 20 per cent increase in
residential property taxes across the city. We're all
connected in this we can talk for hours about rental. Do
you know impacts an estimate about rental increases the
reality is that you really talking about a property tax
increase that are more
is collapsing
Is collapsing for all of residential property not even just
apartments for talk.
apartments for talkin single family homes, make up the bulk
of the housing market in Chicago. So our challenge with
this proposal again. Nobody can test that. There's the
housing crisis are channeled through this proposal is that
there's no reason whatever this ultimate program is there's
no reason at all has to be funded from a transfer tax. The
biggest disproportionate impact of that is on Office
Buildings Office Buildings don't create homelessness. They
don't create housing problems. These aren't really
connected Concepts. We've been asking since last November
to get a group together of all of the impact of
stakeholders to the business associations as well with the
pranks cago home Coalition with the mayor's team. Anybody
any stakeholder really to figure out is there a way to
spread this cost a little bit more reasonably across the
city so that it's not all on one industry in it doesn't
impact economic activity as an example. You've seen that I
think that you policy mentioned it today. There's some
papers out that are saying if rent increases 1 to $5 a
month for swelling unit, that's enough.
negative
negligent
negligible
Negligible that's about 65 70 million dollars right there
if you could text that source, so there's a lot here that
that we can talk through we can figure out some proposal
that works better. For more people. One of the snow to this
increase is it makes no sense of the decrease if you look
at a map. What do you think? It's from that? I have
Progressive thank you for our next speaker is Lindsay
Joyce.
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I also
I all my name is.
I all my name is Reverend Lindsay Joyce. I'm here
representing the Logan Square ecumenical Alliance, and I'm
also the co-president. Thank you of the board of one
Northside.
if you see my
If you see my hand shaking right now, it's not because I'm
nervous. It's because I'm angry.
You heard?
you've heard the
You've heard the same old point tomorrow opponents, but the
fact is this is a well research proposal that we have spent
years putting together if the market is in trouble it's
because the rents are too high and people can't afford to
live here and one life one life saved by providing housing
is worth more than any vacant office building downtown.
I represent.
I represent Faith communities that have for decades been on
the front lines of dealing with displacement. So many of my
people are experiencing homelessness today because of this
displacement the city we've gotten so used to this
narrative that there's not enough that we've begun to
believe the lie that if one group of people has what they
need and means there won't be enough for another group of
people, but that's not true. If we asked the most wealthy
to pay their fair share that is not true. If we ask the
most wealthy to pay their fair share, we believe in a
future where all people have life and have it abundantly as
my God has promised.
and that's why I am here today and
And that's why I am here today. And that's why we are here
today in support of bring Chicago home because we know we
are strong when we are united listen to the voice of
sitting in this room. The fact that we have over
sixty-eight thousand homeless people in our city is a
policy failure and it is a moral failure. It is a moral
failure.
we have to
We have come to go.
We have come together to say we're done fighting about who
gets to live here about what people are owed. We we want to
Chicago where every person has a home and that is the top
priority and it's time to reverse patterns of neglect that
have left. So many people without safety and shelter it is
time to bring Chicago home.
thank
Thank you. Our next speaker is Mike Mini?
Mike men
Mike Mini
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Good afternoon.
Good afternoon, Madame chairperson and members of the rules
committee. My name is Mike medium representing the
Chicagoland Apartments sociation our Members Own and manage
over 270,000 units in the city in the Chicagoland region
ranging from downtown high rises to Neighborhood Two Flats.
We remain committed to working with policymakers at all
levels of government.
to explain
to explore and go
To explore and Implement policies and programs to address of
affordable housing Solutions. However, we are opposed to
the proposal to increase the real estate transfer tax as we
believe that it will result in negative economic
consequences for both residential and non-residential
segments of our communities are recognized as the housing
affordability is a significant challenge facing many
Chicago residents. The number of families renting their
homes stands at an all-time high and is growing and
fortunately we know that we need to add at least
Forty-Eight thousand new units by 2030 just to keep up with
the growing demand. There's no doubt in our mind that the
tax increase that were looking at today will impede
development and maintenance of a 421 Marguerite Apartments,
especially at a time when providers are facing Rising
interest rates increased costs.
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At a June 22 study by the stage policy group exam and
economic and fiscal effects of increasing real estate
transfer taxes and concluded that in increasing the
transfer tax rates on high-value properties would slow or
even stopped construction of new housing particular
multifamily Apartments making housing less affordable. The
findings show that increasing transfer taxes lead to
decrease in population real estate transactions investment
in housing.
and quality of the
And quality of the built environment are also associated
with higher rents lower pop property valuations reduced
residential mobility and diminished home ownership their
proposed transfer tax increase would slow development of
new apartments and discourage investing in and improving
existing Apartments. It will instead of eyes rental housing
providers to invest outside the city of Chicago's borders.
The Lost expansion of the housing base will ultimately make
renting apartments less affordable and I would like to just
add to or speak to the discussion about the impact on
rents. We've heard such studies cited today and other
assertions that it will have a minimal or no increase on
rent the but my members tell us the developers and others
apartment investors in the city of Chicago.
heavenly
have indicated a
Have indicated that it will indeed have an effect on rent
and upward pressure on rent and we have done modeling that
shows that for example the purchase of a $10 apartment
building would result in monthly rents of at least $25 per
month.
thank
Thank you.
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Jermaine Dixon my neck speakers Jermaine Dixon
Hello.
Hello every.
Hello everybody. My name is Jermaine Dixon represent SEIU
Southwest part of my personal experience of being homeless.
I was homeless sleeping in the garage sluice and one day my
friend came and told me that I can come and live with her.
I stayed in the house with her until I was accepted on the
Delaware, housing. Once I receive my income housing. My
plan was to stay there for five years, but the jobs they
didn't work out. So the money wasn't there. I have stayed a
little longer I end up buying my own house and now I'm a
homeowner myself.
but we
But without the help of the low income housing, like I said
before it's no telling where I've been, you know the help
we do need the help because some people do take advantage
of the government assistance programs that you do have the
people who is sitting over here and they talking about this
study buying and buying and buying everybody want to make a
pocket fat but don't want to help nobody else. So the thing
is like if you can afford to buy a house then you should
have
what's the
Davis afford to have
Davis afford to help somebody else being able to have their
own apartment and not to live outside in the ceiling in the
sky. It's not fair. Everybody should be able to live
somewhere where it's comfortable and they don't have to
stress cause stress kills people too. So the thing is we
all going to get old one day. We need somebody to here to
help take care of us. If we don't have nowhere to stay and
take care of ourselves how we going to live to take care
somebody else.
and all my
And another thing the lady said that she bought a house and
if she wants about another property that is going to affect
her. But the first keep thing is you bought a house.
if some people
If some people out here that can't even get an apartment.
You bought a whole property where you have tennis that's
can pay you where you can help somebody else. Cuz once God
bless you. He bless you enough to bless somebody else.
and if you do
And if you don't take the time out to think about your
blessing and where it come from and how you get it. The
thing is God is the only person that looks hard and well
sits high and looks low. Nobody here is God. We can't say
that is not despair or human right for a person to have
somewhere to live you don't so the thing is I hope that you
guys vote for the right things to bring Chicago home. Thank
you.
thank
Thank you. I next speaker is Marissa is at what state your
last name when you get here? I'm not sure where they're the
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Good afternoon. Yes Marissa v. Thank you very much. I am
the executive director of The Association of subcontractors
and Affiliates of Chicago. We represent over 400 commercial
subcontractors. Mostly Union companies of all trades who
work on projects in Chicago ASAP members build things from
downtown high-rise has two schools commercial buildings all
across Chicago before our members build anyting it's
critical to have a plan and Architectural rendering an
engineer's drawings or sometimes just a rough sketch on a
napkin for a person's dream business this proposal lacks a
plan.
There is no.
There is no budget.
There is no budget showing how the real estate transfer tax
money will be spent or who will be served. There's no
specificity regarding allocation of the moneys for shelter
beds new affordable housing rental assistance wraparound
services or Personnel building new affordable housing in
Chicago take several years, which means the city will also
need a short-term plan to serve Dion house until affordable
units are construct.
Is a member.
Is a members know that?
Is a members know that without a plan a project does not
work? It's a members are also concerned that this massive
increase on properties will reduce the number of
construction projects causing a reduction in our Union
Workforce and fewer cranes in the air Chicago Mayors have
traditionally love to boast about the number of cranes in
the air because each crane as reported to support a
thousand construction jobs largely in the union sector
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In 2018 Chicago broke his own record with 60 cranes in the
air today. There are only Fourteen and three of them are at
the Obama Center Toronto Denver. San Francisco each saw a
great increase in crane while Chicago and New York suffered
a significant drop in the first quarter. It's no
coincidence that these two cities also have the highest
property taxes. And if you approve this measure the highest
real estate transfer tax is in the country before you cast
your vote on this massive real estate transfer tax. I heard
you to look up when you leave City Hall today and count the
crane. I think you'll see why approving this real estate
tax the largest in our City's history is truly a bad idea
particularly when there is no plan for how the money will
be spent or who it will starve.
and in a dish
And in addition to that I'd like the alderman in the room.
So I
So consider the neighborhoods that used.
consider the neighborhoods that you serve any neighborhood
that has been stricken with
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disinvestment disinvestment in schools and students that
can grow up and enter the build community. You see what the
consequences look like as he passed boarded-up houses made
it w Etc now take that analogy to an entire city and this
tax largely relies on funds of the wealthy if there are no
investors if there are no wealth coming into the city.
Where will the help actually come from? Thank you. Thank
you. Our next speaker is Dorothy Brown.
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Good morning. My name is Darrell Brown and I Services
directors for social justice at Trinity United Church of
Christ. Where the Reverend doctor Otis Moss 3rd is our
senior pastor, too. Damn here speak briefly to register the
support of my church.
my congregation for the bring Chicago homework
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We witnessing a rapidly diminishing support to American
democracy has he recently came closer than anyone would
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The passing of this ordinance in bringing this opportunity
for long-term funding to address homelessness and
homelessness in Chicago to the people for their decision is
an important recognition of their right to weigh in on
morally significant decisions.
What's the
Most of us are familiar with the parable of the Good
Samaritan.
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to die a priest and a levite separately see the man and
passing by on the other side of the room.
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his donkey carrying him to an inn where he was careful
further the next morning. The Samaritan gave money to The
Innkeeper has continued to care for the man and promised to
reimburse him further once he returned.
this is
This is the type of chair. We are seeking with this
continuous funding stream to address the challenges of
homelessness in Chicago.
not
Not just walking by the homeless. We see on our streets not
just patching them up when they fall ill or and you not
just passing out a free meal or winter coat with developing
long-term solutions that can only survive with long-term
consistent funding.
Ruth Ford
We look forward to working.
We look forward to working with you in passing this
resolution and in the hard work that follows to get the
votes needed to pass the speed change.
Thank you.
Thank you for your time. Thank you.
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okay. Thank you. Tara person my Association already had the
opportunity to speak so I have them. Thank you. And our
final speaker is Bruce.
Thank you. Bye.
Thank you very much. My name is Bruce Perry. I am house
today, but I am formally on house. I am representing the
Illinois Union of the homeless.
thank
Thank you.
and
And much has already been said homelessness is a brutal
existence on the streets today and no one in the richest
country in the world in the history of the world and no one
in the richest city in one of the richest cities in this
country deserves to be living in a tent and it's already
been said 68,000 people are homeless in this city and many
more with our recent arrivals bring Chicago home is a as an
important and very fair tax the property tax in this
country most of the taxes in this country are and in this
city are regressive. This is a progressive tax one that
demands that the rich pay their fair share that's already
been said,
this way
This will generate a hundred.
This will generate a hundred million.
This will generate a hundred million dollars per year in
that is needed to get people in the housing and give them
wrap around wraparound services that the homeless need to
be housed. All of that being said, I'm not going to say
that in my other life. I'm a PhD Economist and I want to
talk about the fact that it is the market that got us into
the situation with 65,000 people homeless.
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thousands living on the street intense they
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that this is not a property tax. This is a property
transfer tax and the vast majority of the buildings in this
city the vast majority that are owned by poor and working
people in this city are worth much less than a million
dollars, and the tax will be reduced its current level to
2.6% If this is past the only taxes on properties of a
million dollars or more 1.5 million dollars or more and
that is a fair tax that is a fair tax that is being will be
imposed. The market is not sacrosanct. It is created the
situation that we have today, and we need to correct that
situation and past bring Chicago home. Thank you very much.
Thank you. We have written comments from the following and
have been provided via e-mail Priscilla Mims time Benedito
and Michael Nene.
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That concludes the Palm Bay.
That concludes the public comment period items in the
comitia stated early. We have 19 items this afternoon. I
don't want is a correction of the city council Journal
proceedings of September 14th. 2023 ordinance. 2023 Dash 0
0 5 4 4 3 if there no questions, can I get a motion by
Alderman Lopez to approve the journal correction the by the
formative photo of all members present for the robot
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All been reported as towards the farm call the next 10 15
items on the agenda this afternoon or we referrals we will
not be disgusting discussing the subject matter of any of
these items today. The items are grouped by the appropriate
committee for referral. We will have a single vote include
all items. We referred to a sink to a particular committee
for each item. I'll State the ordinance the resolution or
the appointment number and a brief description.
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item to
Item to is a determination of the appropriate committee for
re referral the following resolution submission of a public
question by referendum to Chicago voters at the March 19th,
2024 election proposing an all voters to determine if
Chicago should continue to keep this designation as a
sanctuary City or 20 23-00 4224 given the subject matter of
this item the appropriate committee for the referral the
committee on roots.
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Automobile, I'm just extremely confused and perplexed. This
ordinance is already in the rules committee. It was sent to
the rules committee where it was supposed to be and it
looks like you were referring the same ordinance to
yourself. How how do you do that? And then call it now sits
into committees? No. There are no two committees. There's
only one rules committee. There is not two committees.
when we were
When we when someone says something to ruse you still have
to determine the appropriate designation for so to another
committee was called and that's how I got sent to ruse to
be referred to the proper committee when the clerk's office
read the rules and regulations. He says two companies have
been called. It is being referred to the rules of rules.
yes, so how
Yes. So how do you prefer something now you saying this
into committed? There's no such thing as two committees.
There's one Committee of rules and that's where this
ordinance was. And I don't see how you re refer something
to yourself as I'm the referee somebody wanted your
committee to be because somebody wanted your committee to
be called out to be sent to rules to determine the
appropriate designation or where should I go? So the
referee is saying that she wants to back Andrews was
already but I sell them just say that this is another
sneaky underhanded maneuver to try to keep the voters from
speaking on whether or not they want to continue to have
this city designated as a sanctuary City. Why don't you
change the rules sir?
will look
We're looking.
Will look like you did.
Will look like you just did absolutely no change the rule.
You said you the referee I am the referee. This is the most
ridiculous thing. I've seen in my 24 years then I called
another city. She got it. Thank you.
thank
Thank you.
Thank you are my last bus?
Thank you.
Take me to check.
Thank you very much. Are there a lot of a sea of them in
Chicago for a long time? There's plenty more ridiculous
than that.
so
So I I just wanted to get to be able to speak to our
colleagues about how this got refer to a different
committee. So as the chair of the committee an immigrant
Refugee Rights, the reason why I called before the
committee is if we're going to have a fair conversation at
least to a vote. We need a real hearing about what it
actually needs to be a sanctuary City what it looks like.
If you're not a sanctuary City what affects there are or
are not right. If someone would say it's not a sanctuary
City Governor. Abbott doesn't doesn't somebody say hey, you
know what we're going to stop sending bus is over and so I
thought it made sense. They were going to have any
conversation on it is fair to have a hearing to get the
particulars rather than voting on this real feelings of
fear. So I thought it best to come to the command an
immigrant Refugee Rights to have that conversation. I'm
more than happy for us to be able to vote on that as well.
I can hold it in my committee with a boat. No problem.
but I want
But I want to make sure.
But I want to make sure we at least get the information
rather than people doing whatever big bait narrative talk.
They want just to get boats and support when they know
that's not going to change nothing about how many buses and
up in Chicago. Thank you very much.
42 when two or more committees are called the
subject-matter Shelby referred without the bay to the
committee on committee Zone rules, which shall recommend to
which Committee of the council the subject matter shall be
referred in each instance the committee on the committee's
and Rochelle report his recommendation to the city council
at the next regular meeting succeeding the meeting at which
any matter involving a conflict of jurisdiction of the
committee shall have been referred to
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I don't have it. I don't have it to send Luke.
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How the weather will that is true a sitting here, but I
would not be able to report it out. It's sitting here
rules, but I don't care not report it out it belongs or two
committees.
Thank you so much. I really are statements. I'm the referee
as going back to rules.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes, Autumn and Crystal and we're voting on three other
referendum items today. What's the purpose of putting it in
rules?
that's the
That's the that's where the chairman wants me to go back to
be to be heard. But if it comes to correct if these three
items are voted on I might my question is if it'd be three
items pass today that are a referendum items does the item
that automobile doesn't become a mood item know it doesn't.
Okay. Thank you. That's all I was at.
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rules in? The next meeting is re-referred and we had the
opportunity to do that at that time. You didn't this was
the only one that you didn't send or we refer at or refer
at the time and it was held then.
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a general
I generally ask that you all sent me a letter requesting
your item to come out.
and
And everybody knows that I've been around here doing this
for a few years. So everybody has gotten a little speech
for me. And I really like the 26 people to agree with you
that they want this to come out.
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any of
Any other questions?
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committees the move.
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Do we generally suspend rules at the city council level in
that at the committee level?
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So there is no motion to suspend the rules to lay it to
take the item and for immediate consideration.
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we will hear the item and I'll vote on the item and
committee on whether his motion to have immediate
consideration is item should happen now, so
Okay. So are we are now back to Ramirez roses motion to
table. So I think I speak for majority of the city council.
When I say we want the games to stop we want things to move
on we want we want to refer this item and not debatable car
while I want to Surrey refer the side into the proper
committee and therefore I motion to lay on the tape going
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motion to hear on hear it immediately which will mean that
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Okay. So yeah, it's about correct me. Yes, a bowl is two
moving back to where we were voting just to keep it in
committee.
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No vote is to move with immediate consideration to hear it
today.
So your motion that you brought forward was to the item that
is on our agenda is to refer this because two committees
were called the rules committee and immigration committee
were both called under our rules. It is your committee's
job to determine the proper committee to take up this item.
Yes, so we have always had referendums considered in the
rules committee. I'm doing a point of clarification Madam
chair. Would you please allow me to proceed with my point
of clarification? So let's get clear Clarity on it.
let
Let's play.
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Let's clarify this so I guess bow is Jeff.
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the motion before the body is a motion to table the desired
suspension of the rules a yes vote means that Alderman
Beales proposal remains in the rules committee as having
been re-referred. That's a yes vote a no vote means you
wish to consider whether to suspend the rules to hear his
item at this time.
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An opinion is here at the eyes have it. Every referral
recommendation has passed and will be reported at the next
city council meeting on Wednesday, November 1st 2023 item
three of the determination of appropriate committee for the
referral the following resolution Revolution for hearing on
a proposed rate hike by Peoples Gas are 202-300-4577. Given
the subject matter of this item the appropriate committee
for referral of the committee on environment protections
and energy. Are there any questions on the referral?
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the subject matter of the items for items four through 14.
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health and human relations. Are there questions on a
referral?
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Item 15 is a determination of the appropriate Joint
Committee for the referral of the following ordinance
Amendment of the Municipal Code by adding new piece book
ordinance establishing the neighborhood and Citywide Peace
Commission to implement initiatives for peacekeeping
activities given the subject matter of this item the
appropriate committee for The Joint Committee composed of
the committee on health and human relations and Workforce
Development will simultaneously delegation by the workforce
committee to its youth employment subcommittee. Are there
any questions on this one?
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consideration in might they better approach a better
committee for this to go to would be committee on education
and the comedian Workforce Development Center the dogs with
the Health and Welfare of our young people in with the
Peace book, or I would ask that we consider sending it to
education and the comedian Workforce Development as a joint
committee with the simultaneous does designation by the
workforce committee to its youth employment subcommittee.
okay, so I
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arguments blind test.
we
We are in favor of adding education while remaining in the
picture. So we would like for for all committees to have a
joint subject matter on the hearing at the impact the
health and well-being and social well-being of our
communities and young people and we also understand that
this is going to be a matter that takes place in schools.
And so all the woman should not Taylor all the woman her
son and her son chest and I are co-sponsors of the
ordinance and we are all in agreement that education does.
Have a role to play.
so
So the committee on education will be added. So we will add
them in as part of the subcommittee. Are there questions
about the referral or a has a motion to read reports parade
as a to the Joint Committee on health human relations and
Workforce Development and education. Are there any
questions as not she moves that item 15 go and all those in
favor signify by all those opposed.
and my opinion is
In my opinion this year's ice.
In my opinion this year's iPad with the referral and the
recommendation will be reported at the next city council
meeting Wednesday, November 1st, 2023 item 16 at the
determination of a perfect appropriate committee for the
referral the following knife ordinance ordinance
implementing a 30 day advance notice to all the persons win
any public or private property and War will be designated
as a temporary residential shelter for more than Twelve
individuals zero 202-300-4224 given the subject matter of
this ordinance the appropriate committee for the referral
at the committee on housing a real estate are there
questions?
No.
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No questions Altima Hall in favor of referring Island 16 to
the committee on housing a real estate all those all those
in favor. Say aye all those clothes and opinion that shares
our eyes have with the referral in the recommendation has
passed and what we poured out the next city council
Wednesday, November 1st, 2023, the following items 17
through 19 are being considered for submission by
referendum of the Chicago Boulders were March 19th, 2024.
We will start with the first one item 17 at the approval of
the public question by referendum to the voters for the
certain new Chicago real estate transfer tax to combat
homelessness with services in shelters. Are there
questions?
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Thank you. Madam, Che.
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the submission of the public referendum regarding the
determination of the designation of Chicago is a sanctuary
status resolution. 2023 Dodge Jersey 04224.
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clinics. I'm sorry 17 width
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is a vote to proceed with consideration of that original
resolution a no vote is a vote in favor of considering
substitution.
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Yes, I will and I will try mine as well. Thank you.
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like the world's slowest game of ping-pong.
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getting parlamentari drama and it's just not as exciting
Madame cherish. Thank you for bringing this item forward
today.
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This item when it was introduced by the mayor was sent to
rules and there was a call by a colleague to send it to
rules. But that was not two committees call that was one
committee called which is why it didn't need to be
referred. So just as like a reminder for folks of how we
got here. I'm excited as a lead co-sponsor of bring Chicago
home to be sitting here in this body with all of our
supporters.
add
and
thank you to a
thank you to everybody who signed on as a co-sponsor last
turn to everyone who signed on as a co-sponsor this term
and as we prepare to take a vote on this today. I'll keep
my comments short so we can all go home, but I just want
people to not be confused by a lot of the different
arguments.
I am
I appreciate some of our apartment real estate and other
industry folks who come here and share concerns.
Particularly. I'll say Boma right talking about a lot of
the the challenges that our commercial real estate industry
is facing. Our commercial industry is facing a lot of
challenges. Bring Chicago home is not one of those
challenges.
and
and
And specifically what we're looking to do. We are tying.
We're tying the funds that we are hoping to create to solve
homelessness, which is a problem. Every single Chicago
should be working to solve to the success of the commercial
real estate industry. I just know that this body so, you
know for for Boma for other folks a lot of our labor that
relies on that commercial real estate industry. Just know
that
you're not going to be let
You're not going to be let down in abandoned by Chicago city
council. Our economies are connected whether we like it or
not, right they are so the success of downtown is important
to every single one of us not just downtown older people
not just downtown residence and not just commercial real
estate folks. So I hope you can see that as we're looking
for this as a solution. This is a motivation for every
single person here who's supporting bring Chicago home to
also make sure that are downtown succeeds, right? So, I
hope that though we're not together on this issue.
want to
once we pass
Once we pass it and once it goes to Chicago voters, I hope
that we can continue to work on you. All you all were very
motivated to come to the table in the last 6 months to try
and come up with some other solution. You weren't motivated
to do that last term, but I'm hoping that that motivation
since your industry is in trouble is going to remain after
we passed this because again our successes are tied. So,
you know, all of our big Industries get large public
bailouts all the time.
most of these bill
most of these buildings
Most of these buildings relied on some kind of Tiff dollars
or package or public funds anyway.
but
But while some see that as a criticism it is just the way
that we do business and get things done in Chicago. So
again, we're not this isn't an opposition. This isn't all
my God. We create a funding source to help homeless people
somehow we're going to tank downtown downtown is painted
self and we talked about cranes in the air when you can't
complain about not seeing cranes in the air and then
complain about empty office retail. So I just want to say
there are a lot of things have been thrown out here.
They're confusing but we need to come together as a city.
We can work together for Solutions. We're doing it time and
time again, I feel increasingly our city and our City's
leaders and our City's residents are being called upon
increasingly to come together today is not a great example
of us doing that with one group wanting to substitute this
ordinance so that you can vote on a sanctuary City. Peace
cuz you couldn't get your procedures together you already
how to spell
how special?
How special me?
how special meeting I
Call special meeting on Thursday. You'll have your chance
taking out each other's items. Right so that you can have
your political moment is wrong.
bring
spring shackle
Bring Chicago home in this solution. We're just asking you
to let this go to the voters, right the voters of Chicago
needs to have a say the voters of Chicago should have a say
on whether this is a viable solution and it's going to be
up to people in this building and outside of it to make
that argument and we'll reach that part of our Battle of
very soon. But for today, I hope that my colleagues will
join me in supporting this item. We have a plan just
because you haven't read it doesn't mean that it doesn't
exist.
call
The colleagues if you got more questions will have time for
questions and procedurally this will let your Cargoes
voters decide and it is still has to come to Chicago city
council. So like it or not. We're going to have plenty of
time to talk about this a lot more in 2024, but let's give
ourselves a break today. Please support and Madam chair. I
moved passage of this item by the first favorable roll call
if you're committing.
Oh, I'm so sorry before the roll call get all the more. I
want to thank you also signed on as a co-sponsor because I
believe
in the
In the organism, I believe and I was doing something and
terms of bringing Chicago home. But what that fully looks
like. It's very important to me. I that question to the
administration. I want to thank chairman Carlos Rosa Juan
Sebastian and others for answering, you know, a lot of my
questions but there are still questions that I have out
there that I liked to see before the final City Council
vote on this and so it's important and I've sent those
questions in and I'm hoping they provide those questions
and back to me but it's through the chair or somehow
tonight on email before we get to cancel. One of my
question had to do with the way the question is, right and
what I got in my answer is not what I see in the resolution
what I what I got in my answer when I asked about why
instead of just putting dollars there now because what's
important to me is a whole comprehensive. Look I've stated
that an email you I've seen it with chaa with the Cook
County Housing Authority and everybody involved to address
this issue of homelessness, so I can feel comfortable and
knowing that whatever the Gap is what is 100 million or
200? It could be higher. I don't know. I'm not I'm not I'm
not there yet.
and so what I was asking
And so what I was asking was and then the phrase it another
way and then it said by Statute that they had the phrase it
as written Below in this email to me and it says the
current rate of the real estate transfer taxes 3075 a $500
for the entire transfer price for a fraction thereof. And
the revenues used for General Corporate purposes the
revenue from the increase, which is the difference between
revenue generated under the interest rate. And the train
rate is to be used for the purpose of addressing
homelessness, including provide a permanent affordable
housing at a service necessary to obtain and maintain
permit housing in the city of Chicago. Now, we're all do I
have a myriad of questions chairman. My thing is that
phrase that they sent me is something I can say. Yes to
today and going to the voters, but what's in the ordinance
is that the Wares and all of the numbers so I want to know
where in statute says that we have two specific.
put the
Put those know.
Put those numbers.
Put those numbers in in order to get this to referendum.
from the city will
from the city would like
turn off.
turn off the
good afternoon. My name is Christopher called an assistant
Corporation counsel in the Department of Law.
so I
State law of Elmo municipal code in section 8319 provides a
forum that the question has to take and in that form it
specifies that the current rate as well as the increased
rate has to be right now.
Okay play.
Okay, please share that with me you stated it. But please
share that with me cuz what I get in the email is something
that I can live with today to get this to referendum.
but if you saying
But if you saying that's what it is in it, my other
questions have to be answered right or I can get to a
complete. Yes, cuz there's so many other questions that are
out there that leading to making sure that the numbers that
were talking about even from the numbers when we talkin
about 2267 to 65 million dollars homeless proposed in 2024.
How many people does that take care of?
what is
What is Allah?
What is a lot of?
What is a lot of questions. I mean, I can go through all
these questions now, but I don't think the committee really
wants me to.
No.
No, I'm have.
No, I'm happy to work with the folks in the Box to make
sure that were responsive to your questions before the city
council vote tomorrow. I'm saying it because like I said
the way it was drafted in my email it is a simple know
today is to get in a referendum so that the residents can
say, yes. You have the right city council. You have the
right to increase butter have this specific number cuz I'm
not comfortable even hundred million dollars is enough cuz
I can be saying if we need two hundred million dollars. I'm
just not there yet. And so that's where I lost. A lot of
those questions are still left open for me. Can you send
your questions to you me please this evening so that she
can follow up on them and make sure that they get to the
appropriate person and maybe some already sent to
Sebastian, but I'll send what I sent to Sebastian to you
and me. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Jesus.
Does display?
does this point of
Does this point of clarification to album more and I agree
that what you received this how they question would be
phrased and I agree to anybody looking at a question with
more likely be ready today so I can do what are you working
out is some of the details right? We know that they're
68000 plus people that on house. I think that we do need to
have a comprehensive approach of God is going to work at
the same time. But this question is putting into the hands
of the voters that decision every little detail that you
that you needn't and I've been coughing all the emails will
be worked out today committee on housing. You also have
some time some of these other questions that we were afraid
you would have a reward that every question that you can't
answer about the housing committee. I know that you have
all the questions as many others, but we are just asking
this question to put in the hands of the boulders. That's
what we voting on today. So just wanted clarification.
they
there is
There are some statue of limitations that required a
certain language has to be in it by the state of Illinois
that if we're going to put this in referendum form. This is
the information is there require the stat State statue is
requiring that actually appears in that referendum given
their chairman since what I read an email versus what he
just stayed saying that the state statute that we have to
put that
damn based on
Damn, based on what?
Damn, based on what the previous amount that you wrote that
they weren't being taxed with so that if it's if they were
tax .2% they're asking that disappear also with the
increased amount. I got that part in the end. That's what
he explained by State statue that they have to put what
that increase is going to be and I just we're going to
increase it if that's passed a statute that step but what
I'm asking now is based on what can we buy receipt for
Lopez just said is so
as we get to committee are we stuck with that amount?
Because even if the folder say yes, then are we stuck with
that amount in terms of saying where the people voted? Yes.
So now we have to go with this amount can that amount then
if if if if it needs to be increase may increase or if it
needs to be decreased decreased whichever way it goes you
will be stuck with them out to be stuck with 2% If it's 5%
you going to be stuck with 5%. All the other questions
being asked. That's all I'm saying.
autumn
automatically
and we check
And we checked the the issue of the amount I think is
understood it is it allowed us to go up to a certain amount
and not over the amount. The new ceiling that we have said
is that your interpretation of corporate counsel, that's
right to clarify. So the statute requires two pieces of
information to be included in the question the percent
increase and then the actual new rate itself as well as the
current rate, but to this point yes an existing ordinance,
like the one that we have can be amended without approval
if it doesn't increase the real or a transactions to which
the taxes imposed.
Was it?
Was it or did?
Was it or decrease as well as know so if I got to chal
enrollment chsaa, hey 68,000 people got home as I know we
can provide 50,000 and then that other 18,000 may only cost
90 million instead of a hundred million. We still got to go
with the hundred million. I'm just asking
Stop berate.
Stop be raped that you are.
Stop be raped that you all will impose the ordinance next
year will be the rate for all transactions in terms of how
that money is actually use the revenue derived from the
text. I would defer to our finance and budget teams.
Are there other questions?
Okay.
Okay, so we don't need a referendum to reduce the tax that
we are charging correctly correctly using the referendum to
have the tears.
That's crap.
That's correct.
That's cracked point one here. Why do we even need to
include that in the printed referendum that we're reducing
attacks on a on properties under a million?
stop
So I've been a
So I've been mentioned the resolution is only needed to
increase the tax or to increase the number of transactions
to which it applies. I was afraid of the sponsors and terms
of the merits of presenting the information the way it's
presented in the question. I have one more question. Then I
know the referendum says is to be used for the purpose of
addressing homelessness, but does that actually bind us to
have a separate fund to have an asset protection plan?
so I
So are the purpose of the increase has been to use for is a
statutory requirement and I am happy to speak offline about
a potential uses of the money. But yes, it does have to be
used for this purpose is generally speaking. So I'm in
these are pretty general terms. That's why I'm going to
miss is the committee right now, but we're going to counsel
tomorrow. So in understanding that I know we're addressing
homelessness, which is brought a lot of things going to
that including providing permit affordable housing and the
necessary service everyone knows a permanent affordable
housing as but the service is necessary to obtain and
maintain housing is pretty vague. I mean, I'd like to know
what that's obligating us to legally or if it gives us all
sorts of leeway within which has not exhausted. I said it
because dedicated fart. So those are the questions I have
for law.
Thanks.
Thanks one you are correct that we don't need it for the
decrease. However, we were mandated to have a public
hearing that had the language that would go on the
referendum. And so we've had that mandatory on public
hearing with this language. So at this point this is the
language that we're proposing a boat on a separate from
that. The second question you asked was around the usage.
So we shared a draft Revenue ordinance to be clear. That's
not the ordinance were asking for a vote on that ordinance
only becomes relevant.
after the
after this passes in March 2020
after this passes in March 2024
After this passes in March 2024, hopefully and that is when
the draft.
the drafter of the ordinance is available. So in that draft
of new ordinances where we talked about the special
Advisory board that will be we were proposing would be
created and that's when we're also talking about how we
want to prioritize permanent Supportive Housing. So that
draft Revenue ordinance after this passes in March of 2024
will come back to this body for this body to have
discussions about love your daughter to make changes to a
right going to come back to this body to revenue ordinance.
But in the interest of full transparency, we shared the
draft of New Orleans that has that plan and I appreciate
that. We have a history of saying we're going to do
something and doing something else in the city. So I want
to make sure we're not, you know moving this morning around
when there's it it for the ministration when there's a
double life in the chair to you know, the services
necessary to obtain and maintain permanent housing which
seems to me like it could be any any type of
so I
so we write in that draft Revenue ordinance. It's not
required.
are
Iroquois
It requires requires us to address homelessness.
I think that's for
I think that's pretty vague. I think that's probably the
point I've been making here. I think they're a lot of
things we can do to address homelessness without this
ordinance. This is this is not an either-or weird.
We're
we're doing
We're doing that now in a lot of ways and so those are my
questions. I can speak further later management that goes
with it. It could also be employment services. So I think
that's part of what the advisory committee will decide but
that typically when we do permanent Supportive Housing in
the services, that's what it includes support housing. My
point is this language is bad, and I don't want it to be
misused by a different group of people or different mayor
or if interest rates in the future, but I think that opens
up to this, so thank you. Thank you automedon hadn't
followed by Alderman Lopez. I wanted to renew my motion for
a vote and I believe someone called a roll call. So just
wanted to renew my motion for approval of items 17, please.
Okay. So autumn and Lopez. Imma let you answer your phone
you get your question answer got a question.
thank
Thank you.
Thank you madam chairman and thank you members of the
committee. Thank you to everyone that's here in the box and
behind me. So I think there's a couple things that I think
you've everyone consternation. I don't think any of us
argue that we need to address homelessness in the city of
Chicago. I think a lot of us would actually like to know
where all the money that we spent received and allocate
goes towards fighting homelessness in the city of Chicago.
early
earlier.
earlier this year
lower
Lori life
Lori Lightfoot received I believe if I'm not mistaken 90
million dollars from HUD.
the
to bring her
to bring homelessness 20
Where did?
where to go
Not my part.
Not my pocket. I got no pockets out of my pocket.
but my poor
but my point is this and this is what I think of my
colleague from the 44th Ward was bringing up and what my
colleague from the 17th Ward is trying to get to which is
we are trying to get a hundred million dollars or more on a
tax increase to address three vague categories, which no
one wants to answer publicly to explain where that's going
to go in the Years moving forward because everybody that's
here that says they want money for homelessness is old an
answer as to how that hundred million dollars going to help
them because raising taxes for the sake of raising it to
say we're going to grab a headliner we commit
read
Reven to address homelessness
Revan to address homelessness
does squash
does squat when we have literally gotten hundreds of
millions of dollars in Grants Direct Corporate dollars and
others to address homelessness, which we still have not
moved the needle on
so
So I know you mentioned that there were things that could
be said offline things that could be referred to later. I'd
actually like to hear it now. I'd like it to be a matter of
the public record what actually constitutes purposes of
addressing homelessness what programs specifically and how
much will be going to that what specifically does it mean
by providing permanent affordable housing as well as what
exactly specifically that means for the developers of
individuals who are going to be taking their 15% off the
top automatically and what we're going to be doing to drive
down those price points to ensure that we are close to
market rate for construction as possible so that we are not
seeing units been created 5 * the COS of market-rate eating
up that hundred million dollars and turning it only until
20 million dollar investment. I want to know exactly and
specifically what it means to
provide a necessary service
Provide the necessary Services. What exactly does that
include and
and what is the range of necessary when it comes to
homelessness because that is a whole lot better than a very
expensive range.
I'm
I've read through the emails. I've seen the dialogue back
and forth and this goes to everybody on both sides, even
though I'm just looking this way.
play
But I'm not a fan of the trust us and we'll get through it.
Later.
we've
We see.
We've seen where that's gotten us from one Administration
to the next we see that now with the current humanitarian
crisis where trust us will get through it as we see 30
million dollars tents get to be constructed for migrant
homelessness. So I'd like to know what the specifics are
publicly for all of those things that I've asked for.
Okay, Autumn had.
Eric
every time
Eric thinks not a Shell point of clarification for my
colleague from the 15th Ward again. And this might be good
for 44th Ward as well. The language being proposed for the
referendum will go to the voters the voters will approve or
disapprove of it. And then and then just point of
clarification for processed.
Doesn't mean that that's good.
doesn't mean that that's going
Doesn't mean that that's going to happen. It has to come
back to council. We have to work out legislation. So just
as that clarification for a lot of those very good
questions. We will have to answer those questions again,
like we did in the public hearing like we did in the
multiple briefings that we've had like we've done in our
written Communications and like we did last year already,
but we'll have to do it again. So it's a point of
clarification.
do
those quick
Those questions and the consternation about not about vague
language is because the voters aren't being us to decide
all those things. The voters are asked being asked to give
us the authority to take it back to council to work out the
details to finalize a plan and to decide how we're going to
spend the potential Revenue created by this. Thanks Adam
scherr.
Yeah.
Yeah, why?
We have one more speaker after Altima Lopez and then we're
going to go to roll call.
thank
Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you madam, chairman 7th recital of this resolution
States and I quote whereas the additional Revenue over the
amount generated from the current stage show current rate
so we can deposit into find a dedicated for batting
homelessness including providing permanent affordable
housing and services necessary to obtain and maintain
permanent housing and I believe that's the Crux of the
questions. They were asking it's across the question. I
just specifically asked and have yet to got to get
specific.
answers to and the reason why it's in Port
answers to and the reason why it's important is because
set
sex
section one of this resolution says that all of these
recitals are going to be incorporated into this referendum.
we
We are at
We are admitting that these that these recitals are true
and fact when we include them in a resolution, true and
factual.
I want to know what the factual use of that fund is
specifically that is a very valid question because we are
saying that we are going to do this. We are saying that it
is a matter of fact and eventual law that those items are
going to be paid for three fun because of this tax. It is
not for the necessarily for the voters to know the
specifics but it is definitely for the 50 people in this
room to know the specifics Madame chairman and I think it
should be up to the administration to be able to answer
what the specific uses not the vague uses of that fund is
we are not putting a referendum to make just simply say
we're going to make everyone's lives better. There's a
purpose to what we're doing. There's a very specific need
that were trying to address and we are we oh, it is part of
our Judiciary responsibilities to say in no uncertain terms
money generated here goes
here and spend
Here and spent 4 days.
Here and is spent for this. What is this?
Go.
Go to make an I mean, I'm so sorry commissioner. Can I say
can you give us the abbreviated I'll go fast that we have
that the city of Chicago. So with the prevention the go
list in order to prevent homelessness, you have to stop
people from coming in since October 2020 reviews 14 million
dollars to support / 2,700 households that have kept them
in their houses. So they may have received an eviction
notice or a five-day notice from their landlord. We did not
let them come into the homeless system. The second thing is
crisis response right when people come into the home
assistant, you have to immediately wrap them with services
and figure out what they need. Third thing is housing. And
so typically the funding that we received from GF SS does
not support housing. I grant that we receive support other
Supportive Services in shelters. However, in the over the
last two and a half years, we've received 35 million
dollars between care AARP and corporate dollar to date me.
They will.
able to
enable the house 20
enable the house 24
Enable the house 2400 household through our rapid rehousing
an accelerated moving event. We have about another 500 to
1,000 households that will come online through June of next
year, but we haven't had sustainable funding for that are
based budget for the Department of Family and support
services for homelessness is about 77 million dollars of
that 69 million goes out into agencies in communities and
cell.
that we have are per
That we have our problem.
That we have our homeless prevention, right that's rental
assistance case management and legal services. That's the
million-dollar shelter. That's emergency housing for youth
families gender-based violence and single adult 27.5
million centralized shelter intake Baptist crisis response
system. You call Salvation Army they show up that's 3.5
million annually Outreach and engagement. Those are the
teams. You see when you calling you say. Hey Brandy, I've
got someone that needs support at an enchantment. That's 9
million housing support is 27.5 and that includes rapid
rehousing which is new, right? That's something that we
started doing since October 2020 and then last is system
planning and coordination, which is 500,000. The rest is
Staffing for salaries Alderman Lopez, you mention the money
that came in and February through secretary fudge and the
US Department of Housing and Urban Development that did not
come to the city of Chicago DFS. I specifically that went
to Old Chicago and the Continuum of Care so that's coming
to the general greater Chicago area, but that is not being
administered.
we
We are.
we all
We also have our ARP dollars a lot of those projects. You
will start to see the boy hit next year, but that's
one-time funding and so once those dollars are expended. We
don't have it. Just no Revenue resources.
Why not?
find a
Find a mission on how much commission I really needed that
so prevention.
read
rehab
RI housing
set
self
Shelter centralized intake or Schulz centralized shelter
intake three primary buckets. You said enough to keep
people in rental assistance and things like that crisis
response crisis response and housing. What does crisis
response to someone says I am in need. I don't have
anywhere to go tonight. Can you help me? That is what that
is. That is the shelter responsive. We are providing
temporary support for an individual who is on the house and
they have no friends. No family. Nothing.
No.
Nope, wait a bit. Let me get to everybody party.
replace
A place that you please, okay. Allright automobile.
MJ
MGM
Madam chairman
what what happened if it doesn't pass?
What?
What if it doesn't?
What if it doesn't pass the boulders?
That's a quest.
That's a question to the budget director of the budget
director.
I think it were.
I think it works. If it doesn't pass as older women had in
his said we are not able to increase the transfer tax, and
we'll be looking for alternative options for how to address
homelessness for the city of Chicago.
Okay.
Okay, I sent knowing that were these any of this money for
this looking to plug a hole for 2024?
No.
No, I think as we have indicated the boat will go to the
voters in March of 2024. If it does pass it comes back to
this committee to discuss the revenue and spending
ordinance, which will then be effective in 2025. We will
probably not start budgeting for this until 2026. Once we
start receiving the revenue 2026 is when we
Look to starboard.
Look to start budgeting.
Look to start budgeting for these funds. That's okay knowing
that you know, we have 150 million allocated for migrants
how we going to plug the additional hole for the migrants
going forward if we only looking at a hundred fifty
million?
let me
Let Me OK Google, you know this funding is primarily I
think we said this in the revenue ordinance to go to permit
the port of housing not for used towards our are migrant
population. So, you know as we've talked and budget
hearings as well as an individual conversations with
Alders, we are looking at alternative resources for our
migrant Mission based on the language. It could go towards
supporting the migrant population. Correct. I think that
this is up to this Council the revenue ordinance has
eligible usage language already in it with my more
questions. I could it so, you know, it's it's like I said,
it's up to this body. There'll be recommendations coming to
you publicly from an Advisory Board as to how this money
should be used and it'll be
to the spot
Did this body base on your appropriation Authority as to?
Did this body base on your appropriation Authority as to how
it will?
It's a week.
It's a we have no power.
It's a we have no plan.
It's all we have no plan B in the event that this does not
pass the boulders.
we've
Weird Al
We've allocated funding in this budget. I believe it's
around 250 million dollars for homelessness much of that
money is time-limited as we've mentioned before and is not
flexible. And so the reason that we're looking for this
change is because we would like to have a dedicated
resource for funding to address homelessness. Now, I think
I mentioned this is not until 2026. And so I think
questions about what's happening right now. We may be
getting ahead of ourselves. But as we as the budget
director mentioned this is coming back to this body. We are
going to prioritize permanent Supportive Housing in the in
the services around it. We are going to be asking in the
revenue ordinance that will be coming to this body in 2024
after passage for approval from city council and put the
plan that we have put out multiple times in the revenue
ordinance in the draft of new ordinance that everyone
should have is about prioritizing
Turn it.
Turn it to Puerto.
Supportive Housing in the services around that let me get
back to you said right now in this current budget. We have
250 million allocated towards only and it's time limited.
And in fact, I just yes or no, you said 250 million
time-limited. So we're already looking. We got a 250
million already taken to this budget and we're looking for
2026 another hundred million in 2026 based on the wonderful
project that my colleague ottoman Mets had before committee
today. She had a project 41 million dollars is 41 million
great project. I'm excited for
best 40
41 million or 40 something units
Okay.
Okay, so if we took a hundred million today?
and put a
And put it toward.
And put it towards that we're looking at 127 units coming
online or population of you say 68000 people that are
homelessness. This is a drop in the bucket before the drop
in the bucket. So and I just I think this is doing a
disservice to the overall body of the city of Chicago
because I believe that this is going to have a Reverse
Impact.
one
1
One of the people who are funding these kind of projects
those projects are going to come to a screeching halt. I
think with the vacancy rate that we have here in downtown
area over 40% vacancy rate once a reassessment hits. This
thing is going to be spread throughout the entire County
throughout the entire County and it's going to impact
everybody in this city when the reassessment scum. I think
we're constantly hitting the wrong people upside the head
with fines and fees and taxes and I think at some point is
going to be a breaking point in this city and the breaking
point is going to be coming because we just hit him with
the chip wage worker with trying to hit him with a PTO now,
we're going to hit him with with this. I mean, when does it
stop when does it stop there's other ways to address it? I
think we all are very conscious of addressing homelessness
is no doubt about it.
We are.
We all are.
We all are sensitive to addressing homelessness. We already
spend at 250 million. I think what we need to do is read
regroup and try to figure out a better way because
apparently the way that we're doing 250 million if not
successful and I think we need to readdress it though.
That's my two cents thinking about you.
All right.
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Madame Sherri already answered my question earlier. I was
only simply asking that you continue to let people ask
questions that have valid question. I keep hearing people
yelling for roll call. I think we have a good conversation
right now. So I'm asking you what you are to answer. So I
appreciate you allowing the conversation to continue. So,
thank you and Riley.
Thank you. Madam, Che.
Thank you madam, chairman, you know as we've been talking
about this. So I went back and looked at the press release
the former mayor Lightfoot sent out celebrating the passage
of her final budget with the city council and she spent
quite a bit of time patting yourself on the back for the
major investment. She made and homelessness in our press
release. She she explains these increased funding for
homelessness support services for a total 2023 budget of
more than 200 million dollars is a vestments include the
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Supportive Housing non congregate housing
Supportive Housing non congregate Housing Programs rapid
re-housing program shelter infrastructure Investments and
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What happened?
What happened to that money?
well
Well now as I understand it as I understand it and there's
a news report just a month or two ago. I want to say maybe
in August.
nobody
Nobody's answered.
Nobody's answering this question for him would be helpful.
The questions here is where did that money go? Has it all
been spent because an article came out in a publication
just a few months ago suggesting that only 15% of that
money had been spent so I'd like to know how much of that
money allocated by this body towards homelessness $200 a
lot of money how much of that money has been spent this
year on homelessness.
commissioner can I
Commissioner. Kanazi and I can come in and commissioner
Guzman.
so
So there's a couple things we recently had a o i g report
that came out that talked about the work that we've done
with rapid rehousing an accelerated moving events the
report from the oig was actually positive and it said that
90% of the people we engage were actually held and 5 months
later close to 80% We're still house. So it shows that the
housing first approach that we working on his work. So for
ARP dollars, we have a couple things first is the
low-barrier shelter. We released in rst alderman for a
second Library shelter, I'm sorry. I don't mean to
interrupt and I know everyone here wants to eventually get
to a vote on this blasted very specific question. I know
you have lots of plans in the works. I want to know how
much to this date how much of that $200 has been spent this
year in 2023 that we budgeted for last year.
We can be.
We can we can go.
We can we can get.
We can we can definitely get you that number Alderman. I
should also say that some of that is part of the bond
program which will lead to affordable housing units that
are currently in the hopper of being put out and built. So
some of that takes time. It's going to take a couple years
to actually see the results of that money being spent. I
still I guess I haven't gotten an actual answer to my
question and I think it's an important one because yes, Jim
Moran
Parker Posey
Apartment housing. Thank you, buddy.
Apartment housing. Thank you bunch of tractor. So in the
last 20 21 qualify location plan our funding round. We had
60 million dollars is one time allocation think some people
from the audience while they were correct one-time money
that we got from a HUD for the pandemic also the other
funds that the former mayor put together for addressing
almost has issues and such. So we have 60 million dollars
as budget director mentioned as well as many of those are
underway. We have a few Lawson house Covent Conservatory
Apartments Englewood Family Housing and Sarah's on
Lakeside. Those are all permanent Supportive Housing 100%
We have another project that has some at the 4730
Northwestern has about 5 to 10 per cent to 6 units. So
we're at around the lower half of our goal or goals 336
units and then we have a few.
from a
permit to put a
Premier Supportive Housing that we think is going to
generate somewhere about another 150 units that are in our
2023 qap those projects have yet to be announced obviously,
then they have not gone through the city council. You'll be
seeing all of those in 2024 and breaking ground in 2025. So
the projects basically the recap that from 2021 by the time
to get through Council and by the time we break ground,
this is 2023 and actually some of them are rolling over to
2024.
still
Still not sure I got an answer, but I'm going to I'm going
to let this go chairman, but I want to leave my colleagues
with this WBEZ did a story on August 28th and their two
investigative reporters Rachel Hinton and Manny Ramos say
that the city has only spent 15%
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And I know that mere Lightfoot Incorporated that money in
the number that she took credit for when she passed last
year's budget that I voted against and so that's my concern
here is no work. We're going to go and ask folks to pay
more taxes for another hundred million dollars yet. I still
can't get a straight answer. I'm on the 200 million dollars
we allocated for this year has gone where it's been spent
and has there been a return on investment?
That's those are.
That's those are all very very.
That's those are all very very rational questions for
anyone to ask cuz we're talkin about the taxpayers money.
And so I think all women more was trying to get up there
sitting on Lopez was trying to get at this and others those
questions should be answered and I'm I'm not getting those
answers and it's no disrespect meant to anyone in the box.
They're doing their jobs are doing the best they can but if
we're being asked to vote on an item that could potentially
cost property owners in Chicago hundred million dollars
plus a year. We should know where the money's going right
now. And is it working and where is it? So I just wanted to
raise that chairman and I'm wishing I could get it at
direct answer from the box get out tomorrow morning.
Thank you. Okay lost then follow that. Okay, you're good.
I need 60.
I need 60 seconds because I I'm going to end by renewing a
call for a woman head and motion on this because to be
frank we've had two weeks on top of 6 months to ask the
questions that we're all talking about here. I mean, I got
to be honest. I think two days ago commissioner Iran was at
the housing committee's meetings with his quarterly report.
That's a great place to ask these questions. There's a
website for the Chicago recovery play.
Great place to go.
great place to get all
Great place to get all of the answers that people are asking
about right now SL frf reports. They come out quarterly.
They outline every single dollar that we spent in federal
aid. I get the questions. I know sometimes it's important
to be seen asking questions outside of the Myriad briefings
that they've had for us when we get to the point y'all when
were asking what happens when something doesn't or does
pass on the ballot for folks in our line of work. That's a
little bit embarrassing and it's just starts to feel
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like where she
like we're stalled.
like we're stalling us out to the point that people have to
go pick up their kids to get less people in the room. So we
spent enough of the time of the people in the back here
borderline feel like we all them in the apology and if we
answered these questions as we have over the past six
months, I would love to see us renew old woman had his
motion.
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