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Good afternoon everyone, The Joint Committee on Public
Safety and police, and fire is called to order. We would
begin by taking a roll, call to establish a quorum. Please
note that your yes or prison Decor may be used for leading
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pursuant to rule 59. All the women Gutierrez, as well as
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We have 21 members present, and when Quorum has been
established.
This is a subject matter hearing that we will be
entertaining your questions after the presentation. I
believe. We do have a power point is that, I don't know
PowerPoint. Okay. You all have had a chance to read the
inspector General's report, which was emailed to you. Some
time ago with us today are inspector-general a death
whispered and is a deputy to borrow Richardson percipia
tomorrow Richardson and I will turn the meeting over to
them to their presentation. Thank you very much. Thank you
all for having a
I'm, we're here to.
I'm, we're here. The municipal code requires that are
Public Safety section, the public safety section of the
office of Inspector General issue, an annual report and
that the deputy Inspector General for Public Safety appear
before this joint committee to speak to that report in to
answer questions about it. Tomorrow is our Deputy Inspector
General for Public. Safety should do that today, and I will
get out of the way for her to do that. I'm here, I
appreciate your having us and I'm here to support the work
of our Public Safety section. And because we recognize the
importance of interdisciplinary oversight, you recognize
that the problems of Public, Safety are not siloed within
the police department, but rather these are whole of
government problems, requiring whole of Government
Solutions. And so if there are matters in which you all are
interested in discussion arising from our Public Safety
work, which touched on other aspects of her oversight,
practice. I'm happy to speak to those things. I appreciate
this committee sitting as a joint committee and in
recognition of that same whole-of-government approach. So
without I will, I will turn it over.
To do.
To death.
To Deputy AG Richardson, thanks for having us.
Iraq.
Good afternoon, chairman Taliaferro, chairman Hopkins,
members of the Public Safety Committee, and members of the
police and fire committee. And each of you, thank you for
having us. Again, you all have seen a report and so I'm
going to go through it at a high level. At the end, I will
answer any questions.
Weather.
With regard to the Strategic priorities, the public safety
section has adopted three strategic priorities to God. It's
were first improving, cpd's, administrative and
operational, to cease to render it more effective in the
performance of his critical, Public Safety functions, and
more efficient, and its Administration. Second ensuring
transparency, diligence fairness, consistency and
timeliness in the police discipline and accountability
system, and third and sharing of Chicagoans constitutional
and civil rights are sufficiently. And equitably protected,
and all aspects of Public Safety operations.
What are?
With regard to our approach to Public Safety section
service. Three priorities. Thursday's priorities through
three mechanisms. First be conducted programmatic, audit
base increase and reviews second, we inspect individual
clothes, disciplinary cases, conducted by tvd's, girl of
internal affairs. Also known as Bia and the civilian office
of police accountability, also known as Copa and third
week,
analyzed data from
Analyze data from CPT and City sources on policing, Public
Safety operations and the police disciplinary system.
I want.
I want to talk to you about the work that we have done and
each of those three areas during 2022, which is covered in
our 2022. Annual report published this year.
Are.
first, with regards to the public safety and fries and
reviews on these are broad programmatic, reviews conducted,
where we look at the policies and procedures and practices
ocpd, and the police accountability agency specifically,
Beverly.
The police department and be is within the police
department Copa, and the police sport.
Price.
Power steering 2022. Public Safety post an inquiry of race
and ethnicity based asparagus and cpd's use. Of course, oh,
I just found that black people were far, more likely to be
stopped by the police than black people in an investigatory
stops and traffic stops. This result was consistent across
CPD districts and the disparity cannot be explained and
tire Lie by different patterns, of off their behavior. And
the district's that CPCC PD Define as high crime District.
Additionally oig found similar results as it pertains to
Tactical.
last reports, we
Last reports where officers rcpd members have to document
their use of force.
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Lasso IG found no evidence of race or ethnicity basis. And
force. Mitigation efforts as reported by officers, nor.org
find evidence of race or ethnicity basis Perry's in the
frequency of application of multiple uses of force against
individual subjects, in a single incident.
Next with a focus on the disciplinary system in June of
2020 to the public safety section. Published a report on
procedural consistency and fairness in the disciplinary
process for CPD members are G found at b. I n copas
policies, do not provide sufficient guidance on how when
and in what measure those agencies should consider
aggravating and mitigating factors and reaching
disciplinary recommendations, which risk approach That Vary
widely across investigations and may therefore be
inconsistent and unfair, specifically, one of our
recommendations included that those agencies should
coordinate and work together to decide. I'm what mitigating
and added activating factors. They were each consider they
gave are creating responses
But I'll see.
But ultimately, it boiled down to them, not agreeing to
follow that recommendation.
I'm leaving.
I'm moving to August of 2022, Public Safety published an
inquiry into CPD scheduling practices, which included the
cancellation of Sauron CPD members regular days off. And
the number of consecutive days on which TV dinner members.
Were scheduled to work. So a lot of our enquiries and
review stem from Outlook, which we publish however in
instances where something is going on in the moment. So
there were, there was a lot of discussion with regard to
see if you remember that whether they were being required
to work even on days that had previously been their
regularly scheduled off days. And so in response to that we
looked at a two-month period since we had access to the
data. There's no point in guessing about it. Let us look at
the data and see whether that is true or not.
And what? We've
And what we found was that I'm CPT members were working 11
or more days in a row. Again, we give recommendations and
each entity is required to respond to those recommendations
in. A lot of times I was recommendations or their response
even when they agree, it's something of a long-term
response.
There was no.
It was nice that the next day after the report was released
CPD implemented limitations on the cancellation of regular
days, off, and implemented. A minimum of nine hours
between. Just so it's nice to see an immediate response
from the Department on in response to our report.
Going into September of 2020 to the public safety section
police to report regarding the Department of Law. Also
known as DOL and see if he dies collection of data related
to lawsuits involving cvd members and its members oig
calculated. That the city spent over two hundred fifty
million dollars on judgments. And settlements during the
four-year period of our analysis oig, identify shortcomings
related to the collection and management of litigation data
and Bob and see if he did. Those shortcomings limit. The
city's ability to understand areas of litigation risk to
the city. And to implement, responsive improvements to
cpd's operations, and policies specifically, oig Identify
two areas where the city's current practices limit. Its
ability to perform these functions first. DOL, does not
collect litigation data at a sufficient level of detail and
s e. L l is unable to merge this little
and at,
Data.
Data with cpd's related data in order to expand potential
Avenues of analysis. As a result, the city is failing to
capitalise on opportunities to manage risk arising from
cpd's operation.
In.
In November 2022, the public safety section, published an
inquiry into two CPD strategies to support members, mental
health and well-being, specifically, the public safety
section what's at the peer support program and cpd's
Reliance on Frontline, supervisors to monitor their
officers mental health, and refer them to Services as
needed at the conclusion of the first. Several operational
limitations, prevent the peer support program from better
meeting officer. Wellness, needs specifically oig found
deficiencies in Recruitment and Staffing, training,
documentation and record-keeping internal Communications
and cultural competency competency and second that's if he
does not adequately prepared supervisors to identify
members and need a wellness services and does not sure that
supervisors remain up to date on a supervisory
responsibilities related to Oscar Wellness, CBD, agree,
To.
To provide better training to address both the peer support
programme and the making sure that supervisors understand
their obligations. When it comes to, I'm observing whether
mental health or other support is needed for their
supervisees.
Last the public safety section polish is CPD budget.
Explain her and so it lasts 1 in 2022 that was our second
annual budget. Explain her specifically looking at cpd's
budget. The total amount of money. Appropriated to see PD
and physical year, 2022. I was just under 1.9 billion. And
in those numbers that were 13933 budgeted positions for CPD
as had been previously found over 80% specifically, a total
of 88.45% of the money allocated to see if Edie was spent
on Personnel, Service items which includes salaries and
wages.
Unless going to transition into the second mechanism that I
spoke about that, we employ, I'm to meet our obligations
which is the review of clothes, disciplinary
investigations.
Play.
Amanda at the powers and duties of the Deputy Inspector
General for Public Safety on the municipal code includes
the review of closest cleaner investigations conducted by
bia. In Copa, a two purposes outline for those who are
Jews. Include, I'm providing recommendations to inform and
improve future, disciplinary investigation. And to identify
efficiencies, that materially affect the outcome of those
individual investigations.
What?
What's?
With regard to recommendations to reopen where we believe
there are deficiencies, that materially affect the outcome
of those investigations. We screen on a weekly basis close
on disciplinary investigation and 2022. We screen 1095
close disciplinary investigation and I don't know if 1095
close disciplinary investigation, we open 56 investigations
for more in-depth review.
Homemade.
When we decide to open an investigation for a more in-depth
review, we look at various criteria to include the nature,
and circumstances of the alleged misconduct. Its impact on
the quality of police community relations, the apparent
Integrity of the investigation and the frequency of an
occurrence or an allegation.
on the
Of the fifty six cases that we open for in-depth review. We
recommended the reopening of 10 investigations conducted by
bia and 7 investigations conducted by Coco.
What?
When we look at those investigations, we are not looking at
those investigations to determine whether we would have
done things differently, or had a different outcome. What
we are specifically looking at is whether there are any
deficiencies that materially affect the outcome,
And when we looked at those cases, again, there were a
total of 17 cases where we found that and we sent the
recommendations to reopen to Bia and seven recommendations
to reopen tecopa out of those 10 recommendations to reopen
that we sent to Bia. Bia, agreed to reopen all 10 of those
investigation. I just want to highlight a couple of those
investigations and again
Identify.
The identify summaries can be found in our annual report
and in our quarterly report specifically in 2020. To one of
the investigation, said be Ye Ye agree, three open
involved. Scpd member Alaska have associations with members
of The Proud boys, a group that Bia described and its
allegations as labeled by the FBI as an anti-semitic white
supremacy organization.
Ultimate.
Ultimately Bia agreed to reopen the investigation. And in
summary, they allege that the CPD member failed to report a
battery that the member witness May and this is a quote, so
open, quote, Maid of contradicting, statements close quote,
how to join a statement to Bia. When asked about their
participation, in a proud Boy chat group open quote, made a
false statement, close quote to be a. When asked, if they
attended a proud boy BBQ brought discredit upon CPD by
expressing support, for a proud boy members actions in
online forums and brought discredit upon a c p d by
participating and probably online. For the case was
resolved through mediation where they see if you didn't
remember received them a hundred and twenty day suspension,
and I,
Another.
Another CIA investigation that they agreed to reopen
involved a member who admitted to belonging to The Oath
Keepers and their individual admitted to belonging to the
housekeeper from 2010 or 2011 and for 3 or 4 years.
I'll
All Keepers website states that its members would not obey
unconstitutional and that's illegal and immoral orders. And
despite the CPD members admission bir, though, they agreed
to reopen the investigation Andre closer investigation
leaving its original findings unchanged. Now, I'm going to
shift into the seven recommendations to reopen that the
public safety section sent to Copeland. I don't do seven
recommendations to reopen, Cobra accepted the
recommendations to reopen and five of those investigations.
One of them destinations the response was that received in
2022 and wasn't included in the 2022, annual report as a
result and other investigation, hoping the class reopen
that was an investigation that involved, the CPD member who
punched an individual.
Around here.
Around his face.
Around his face while he was, or why the individual was
handcuffs.
The pub.
The public safety section recommended that the
investigation be reopened to determine possible rules. 21
and 22 violations, which require members to report,
misconduct and a 14 and an for a couple sitting ducks in a
row, 14 analysis, regarding making CD members making false
statements, declined to reopen the investigation, or to
conduct further analysis.
The last component of our review of individual clothes,
disciplinary cases involved.
I am a.
Amanda pursuant to the consent decree specifically
paragraph for for, for which requires a public safety
section to report on its analysis of Investigation of
allegations of sexual, misconduct by members of the Chicago
Police Department. I will review those cases as a part of
our regular review of clothes, disciplinary cases, and we
published a report specifically under paragraph or pursuant
to a consent decree paragraph or 44. And I just like to go
back 1 second. As I spoke about copas opening five of the
seven recommendations to reopen that we submitted to them.
And so
22.
I'm just talking to you all about 2020 to today, but I will
know that as we approach next year, and we do an analysis
of 2023 and will include those exact numbers. But the
pattern of them accepting, I'm a lot of our recommendations
to real pacifically at the release. The Copa has noticeably
declined this year in 2023.
That is a bit about the second I'm Avenue where we look at
our disciplinary system through the review of individual
closed, disciplinary case.
Laugh.
Last, I want to talk to you about our third approach to our
work. When we analyzed data regarding the city's, Public,
Safety and police disciplinary operations. And actually,
I'm going to take my back myself back one more time. And I
all report in addition to everything that I've spoken to
you all about, about our own work and reviewing close
Canary investigations. There is also an analysis of trends
for b. I n cold but overall the number of Investigations
that they received the number of Investigations where they
sustained discipline. And so for so that is also available
and I'm here where I can answer any questions
about the
About that.
About that as well. And now I'm not going to interrupt
myself again and I'll move forward to this 3rd Avenue where
we look at the city's, Public Safety, and police
disciplinary operations, in the annual report. Are you all
will see links to relevant Public Safety dashboards where
we give key takeaways and high-level conclusions that have
been drawn from that data specifically looking at 2022, son
wants to talk to you about a few of those highlights. We
have a dashboard that's like the 9-1-1 calls for service
which captures, data on / 3.8 million, dispatch 911 calls
and it breaks down the information. I'm in various ways to
include buy a priority level community area, Ward district
types of call and specifically for 2022. We saw that the
caller
Fly.
Slightly decreased from 2021 were decreased by
approximately 2.3%. Additionally as had been seen in Prior
years because our distribution is unevenly distributed.
Such that higher concentrations of calls are real. 911
calls I receive on the west and south side of Chicago.
We have an arrest at a dashboard where we look at a rest
from 2022 and unlike 2021 2022 began to more closely.
Reflect the seasonal patterns of 911, arrest data
established prior to color it. So, before March of 2022,
again, just as in 2021 and 2020 to the 11th District, made
the most arrests in the 11th District is a district located
on the west side of Chicago. And that's the most arrests
per capita.
Yes, I am.
Yes, I have to ask, you are discovering complaints and
notifications for information on clothes, disciplinary
investigation, into Sora CCD members when she goes back to
2007 from our website, you can see data that goes back to a
certain point and it's really simple. There's another
button. You just click on it and it can take you back all
the way to 2007 and you can look at that information based
off of the officer's name. Starting number if you know what
their various ways where you can obtain the information.
We?
We have dashboards on investigatory, stop reports and
tactical response to reports documenting the CPT reports
use-of-force. So that's the tactical response Report with
regard to the investigator investigating restart report.
Black subjects are the only racial ethnic group
over-represented and investigate investigatory stops as
compared to their proportion of Chicago's population.
Overall, the total number of investigatory stops drops as a
result of K in March 2022 and they have remained. I'm at
lower levels.
That drop in volume. However does not correspond to any
clear change in the racial ethnic demographics,
compositions of the population of subjects. So the days
where I feel like I just have this reportedly represent it
remains, despite the total volume decreasing with regard to
tactical response for it's where I see if you do, remember
this document, their you so forth. Like subjects were also
overwhelmingly the subject of t, r r incidence and that
theme has continued 2015, through 2022.
Last, we have a we have many dashboards. I'm just
highlighting the public safety dashboard for the last. I'm
dashboard that I will highlight, is our dashboard on CPD
members. We're wanting to explore the composition and
makeup, cpd's demographics.
Pacific.
Specifically what are high-level points was that the number
of members with 11 to 15 years of experience has decreased
by approximately 63.6% from December. 2018 through December
2022 to over the last approximately 4 years, the percentage
of members with 11 to 15 years of experience, has increased
by over half specifically approximately 63.6%.
Do I have provided you? I would have a very high-level
overview of the public safety sections. Work conducted in
2022 as it pertains to what we publish. Our clothes,
disciplinary cases and information that is available
through oig's dashboards. I'm in conclusion, I'd like to
stay that the work conducted by the public safety station,
helps to bring issues with them policing, and police
accountability interview and has created opportunities for
These.
These opportunities, however will go on realize, if a fish
shoes, do not cooperate or respond with appropriate sense
of urgency. I'm Chicago has not faced with a choice between
police reform and keeping people safe. Rather, the city is
faced with the reality that it can best. Keep people safe,
both in and out of uniform by implementing long-term.
Systemic reform, its police and police disciplinary
systems.
America.
Horry County, public safety sessions. Fire there is
transparency and transparency is going to be required in
order to improve Public Safety, policing, and police
accountability. Thank you for your time and available for
questions.
Thank.
Thank you, Miss Richardson for a very detailed overview of
your work. We will open up two questions and we will start
with the chairman Taliaferro, chairman and I don't think I
called on B. J Robinson Zone. We do have you inspect a
whisper game as well as I'm Deputy Richardson, thank you so
much for the work that you do. We certainly appreciate it.
I want to bring attention. I want to go back a little ways.
I think at the time, Jeopardy, Waitsburg issued, a report
recommending, the CPD established a policy with regard to
whether or not the police officers, can I have been
worship.
and,
in a
In a organization that's labeled as a hate crime or an
organization that goes against the policy whose mission
goes against the policies and mission of our Chicago Police
Department. Have you do you know where that currently
stands today except that recommendation or where we at with
that? Thank you for the question chairman and I appreciate
your leadership of months ago, the work that we have issued
with respect to membership and extremist groups and
so-called hate groups. Associations by members of the
police department has come out of the individual. He
stirred you work, the deputy Richardson described and so
the recommendation that we have if you have related to
reopening those specific investigation, we have not issued
policy recommendations with respect to the Department's
policies on Betty's. An issue which has come before the
community Commission of Public Safety and accountability.
And there is ongoing discussion. We continue to do more
programmatic work on,
We have not made policy recommendations to the department
on that matter. Last one of them inspected or either a
different Richardson recently been reported in the news and
it and I'm sure all of us. I'm aware of it. That there is a
proposal. I believe, I believe by arbitrator been, that
would recommend to this Council for approval. I'm very
police officer doing the disciplinary process, I would be
able to
To have the police boat.
To have the police board, or I believe an arbitrator decide
and the disciplinary will make decisions in the
disciplinary process. Are you guys planning on offering an
opinion on that? Or are you going to just leave this to the
negotiators?
I'll say a little bit about that, and I think the system,
you're referring to is one in which, when discipline for a
CPT member is recommended below a certain amount. They have
certain challenge option options to challenge that
discipline and then above a certain amount of discipline,
the options change. And so, the arbitration opinion that
has that is, is working its way through the system is one
which changes those circumstances and makes it. So that is
CBD. Member May under any circumstances, including the most
serious disciplinary cases. The most serious disciplinary
recommendations, they may challenge that discipline through
arbitration rather than before the police board, this is,
this is, in fact, an issue which we have spoken to
previously in the first conversation. I've had about it. So
I appreciate the question the week in in 2021 we issued a
report on disciplinary Grievances and their resolution was
a consent decree mandated reporter.
A man in.
A man in that we looked at the arbitration system. And the
way that disciplinary cases, get resolved in that system,
we made a series of recommendations around improving the
arbitration system. And I say, all of that to say, it is
never more important than now that we attend to those
Improvement, if more cases and more serious cases are to be
resolved through arbitration. Then the stakes have never
been higher to improve the way. We are betrayed cases the
question to substantiv question. The policy question of
whether arbitration should be available and when that's not
a definite decision that's on our what I will say is that
both members of the public and members of the department
are entitled to a robust and transparent disciplinary
system, regardless of the venue in which cases are
resolved. And so with more cases, and more serious cases
are to be resolved by arbitration. Then the city ought to
attend with some urgency to improving the transparency of
the arbitration system.
Thank you. Thank you. I will also reflect participation in
Irving up, further questions from the members of The Other
Woman Taylor
Thank.
Thank you.
Thank you, chairman.
I would.
I would have loved if y'all had a fancy presentation cuz
after this long day part of what you said, it's like the
mother on Charlie Brown want one. I just didn't hear you.
I'm so keep that in mind when you bring your stuff cuz
honestly some of this day that's kind of good to see why
does it take 399 or 98 days to investigate? Something that
happened? My mama. Co-worker bless her little heart for
letting me. See the computer to see the report but that's
how it seems like a long time and it doesn't seem fair to
the officer nor the victim that is taking that long to
investigate some of these claims. Can you walk me through
it with respect, is there public safety section overseas
commanding bowl, 50 in Copa?
Historically oig investigations have taken longer than they
should cases and the prosecutor cases don't improve with
age. That was true in the courtroom. It's too true and
oversight. We've taken lots of measures to improve the
timeliness of oig Investigations. That's also an issue that
we've looked at with respect to DIA and Copa. I think there
are fundamental fairness questions. That issue there we see
different rules, apply to different kinds of Investigations
with
Back to whose clock is running and how long that clock runs
and when it starts and so on, so it'd be happy to talk more
about the specifics of a door or forward along information.
I do if you have more specific question as a general
matter, I agree investigation, should happen faster and be
fair to everybody involved. Cuz I feel like sometimes we'd
pay so much more money in lawsuits because we're dragging
along, these investigations are not moving. I think the
connection between investigations and lawsuits as a
critical one. Not only is it, is it conceivable that
investigations with lag? But in fact, many, many, many
settlements and judgments come to pass without their ever,
having been a disciplinary investigation or without this
body, being informed of its result. So, Debbie Richardson
talked about the period of analysis, where we looked at
settlements and judgments before your. A quarter of a
billion dollars. In checks, went out the door and
settlements and judgments related to CPD without any
systemic mechanism to take the information from those.
Lawsuit.
Lawsuits and the underlying incident, the underline things
that went wrong and to determine whether we are learning
from any of those. Whether we are improving training, or
supervision, or wellness support or any of those
interventions, we simply haven't. The city has plainly not
collected enough data or high enough quality data to learn
lessons and so that 250 million dollars that that's an
expenditure not an investment.
Thank.
Thank you for your honesty. The last thing I'll ask is, how
do we change the system? Cuz it's it's not working for the
people that are ncpd is not working for the people who are
paid to represent. How do we stop doing Silo work? Cuz
that's what this is, as far as I'm concerned. I agree with
you. The reason the disciplinary system is an area of
strategic Focus for us. Is that a a robust and transparent
disciplinary system in which both members of the department
and members of the public have reason to be confident?
That's The Escape of us. The pressure release valve so that
when things go wrong and things will go wrong, we will
solve lots of problems at PPD and things will still go
wrong because law enforcement and policing is messy and
it's hard and and dangerous. And and that things happen,
things will go wrong and people will will be unhappy. It is
only if we have a system in which people are confident are
confident to resolve those things that we can hope to
improve the quality of relationships here. And I think that
the road to do
The road.
The roads.
The road to.
the road to improve the disciplinary system runs through
better transparency. We talked about that with Grievances
and higher investigative quality. That's the focus of this
case review work not because everyone's going to be happy
with the outcome party. No. Part of me thinks that an
oversight the way we know we're doing our jobs is that
nobody is happy with the outcomes but but if we can improve
investigative quality and transparent then at least I think
we can have a candid conversation.
And and, and, and move, the move the needle on, improving
the quality of the relationship between the police and the
community. Do you feel like the community councils will
help in a lot of this has been this, like this thing. I
remember all the misters Auto saying, we have all of these
b****. These different groups that are supposed to help us
with a police accountability, but we still don't seem to be
turning out the results at the community actually wants to
see. This is a business critically important question.
There's a huge amount of work to do in Chicago, with
respect to police reform and Public Safety. There are also
an awful lot of players on the field. There are an awful
lot of acronyms. You're right. A lot of bodies a lot of
different entities doing a lot of different work and
there's a lot of risk that despite all of his players on
the field, we don't get it done the way. This looks to me
that, you know, I have little kids to play soccer and when
they're very young and I start playing soccer, they all
chase the ball around the field and they don't make a lot
of Prague.
We?
When they get a little bit older and more mature and they
they learn to play their positions, they move the ball
further toward the goal. I think that that is where we are
in terms of police reform and Public Safety in Chicago, we
have lots of Institutions, all of which need to find their
way to play their positions, play to their institutional
strengths maximize, their institutional super powers. So
the district council's. The community commission is built
better than any other institution on the field in Chicago,
including ours.
they are built to a
They are built to engage lived experience in policymaking,
they're constructed to do that better than any other
institution in the space. They should be playing to that
institutional superpower and maximizing that institutional
strength, the rest of us, the rest of the institutions, we,
the monitor Copa the Bureau of internal affairs, the office
of constitutional policing and reform, everybody has
different institutional strength. And I think by playing to
those right? We become a slightly older soccer players. We
move the ball further, down the field.
Gardner. I just like to
Pink.
Piggyback on Alderman Taylor, when she was asking for the
oig, it is. 98 days. Did you say before a claim is made for
you started an investigation? Is that correct? You have 90
days has no, no. Okay. So, how long do you have when the
claim is made against an officer? For example, to start the
investigation we do not have a specific number of days. We
have a process, the consent decree for complaints against
tpd members, specifically the consent decree laid out of
process for preliminary investigative steps. Which happened
before a determination is made to open a misconduct
investigation or not and then once an investigation was
initiated the consent decree on a different collective,
bargaining agreements have different time constraints for a
kind of,
Contact investigation into a CPE member and, of course, the
Bureau of internal affairs Copa and oig all have
jurisdiction to investigate misconduct by CPD members and
regardless of which agency is conducting, the
investigation, the procedural protections for members,
Which derived, from the consent decree in from the
collective bargaining agreements exist and apply those
members regardless of the investigating agency.
Thank.
Thank you almighty God, no further questions.
I do have one determine if you indulge me with regard to
your analysis of the 911 call data and I know he's got more
sophisticated at diving into those data points, which there
can be no unwieldy to try and analyze. I just want to share
personal observations from my own monitoring its scanner
traffic in my ward. The amount of time that we are in a
backlog. We're radio Simon. Pending status is, is waiting
up his just going up. It's more frequent than it, used to
be, and I've observed, what I consider a disturbing Trend
towards occasionally. Just wiping the Slate clean without
ever responding to a lot of those calls and granted. Some
of them are in a relatively, minor parking violations, and
things like that, but I'm not aware if there's any specific
code, you know, a 19. Paul type of code that is assigned to
a 911 call that literally never gets respond.
Summer.
Someone called 911.
Someone called 911, for whatever minor thing that they were
calling on and no police officer ever comes. Is there a
specific code for that? And if so, is anyone looked at that
data point to see if that is, in fact, happening more
frequently because if it is, it clearly suggests a problem
within the system that needs addressing.
I will let inspector-general whisper respond after me. I'm
not aware with regards to whether their specific a specific
code. But this year we actually published a report with
regard to the 911 response time and analyze the data and
stemming from that, one of our considerations for your
inquiry, involves just that looking at wraps. So,
With.
With that. In my, I don't have an answer for you, but that
is something that we intend to look into moving for it and
I will just put out a plug with regards to when you all
make these observations. Some when your constituents make
these observations that every year, we are interested in
looking into what matters to you all, what matters to
Chicago in. And we will be publishing our draft 2020 for
the public safety section. And you will see that included
as one of our potential I'm areas of inquiry and I welcome
your feet.
Like other seed.
Like others feedback on that topic and not just your
feedback on a specific topics. But if there is something
where you feel that that is a higher priority than make
that known as well, so I appreciate that feedback and
hopefully will have an answer for you sooner rather than
later. Thank you.
Thank.
Thank you, Jared.
Thank.
Thank you, ladies, we are apart. I have some questions. I
got my pen, a little late. So early and you said a couple
things. So one of the things was, I think you said and I
believe this was regarding police officers was 11:00
complaints open, roughly 11 was 10. Something open Ali or
I'm sorry claims of something wrong in 56. Investigations
that correct? Yes 1095.
So does that mean 56 rope and only seven were reopened? Is
that mean 256 were unfounded?
so,
So I'm out of the individual quality. Disciplinary
investigations, were we have access to though? We did a
preliminary screening of 1095 of those individual close
disciplinary cases. Out of the 1095, we open 56 of those
for more in-depth review unless we conducted a more
in-depth.
Review it.
review Into the
Review into those 56 individual closed. Disciplinary cases.
Out of those. We recommended a total of 10.
We?
We gave 10 recommendations to reopen based on us believing
that there were deficiencies that materially affected the
outcome to Bia and seven of those recommendations to reopen
tecopa. Where we found it, there were deficiencies, that
materially affected that the outcome. So what that, I'm not
really sure how you phrase a question. But I just tell you
what, that means, again, it doesn't mean that there weren't
necessarily issues with those investigations or even that
we agreed with maybe how the investigation was done or the
outcome of the investigation. But what it means is out of
those 56 in-depth, reviews of those investigations, they
were 17 where we found deficiencies, that materially
affected the outcome.
Does that help your understanding so basically 1040 there
were just basically unfiled investigation happen
allegations are new investigations. This is a quality
control review of Investigations that the Grove Internal
Affairs in Copa has already conducted. These aren't
allegations being received by oig. This is our oversight of
a just recheck and stuff basic. Okay, and then on a weekly
basis, we review that was close disciplinary investigation.
So we're reviewing the investigations that Copa or Bia has
already conducted in close you started off your your
presentation by saying blacks were more likely to be
stopped and weights. What percentage did you use or what
was it three times more? I can have my pen to write this
down. I don't recall giving a more likely than whites.
Okay, so my question is what
Whitney
What numbers you use for this? So there's there's a couple
districts. I know fairly well. Okay, and that's the 15th
and the 16th District and they're in there a world apart
from each other. Okay. So 15 test reports a I'm going to
give you some statistics. I'm just wondering where you will
come up with us at and the 15th district for example has
215 POS or 3.5 Square Mi that comes out 261 PS4 every
square mile 16th.
109.
190 /.
190 pills for 28.5 square mile which comes out to 7 p.m.
for every square mile. So my contention is, if you were to
put 61p in 16 for every square miles, I think the numbers
would be, you have more and vice versa and 7. He owes in
the 15th, then you have way more white people being stopped
or whatever you want to say, then with black people. So I'm
wondering and I saw. So we're not talking about calls for
service. I don't know the exact cause for service but I got
to shoot is more more calls for service in the 15th, the
numbers for the 16th. So what do you use to come to these
numbers is my question. So I'll dress you mentioned two
different things. One was with regard to force report in
the other one I believe was with regard to our dashboard as
a relates to 911 calls. So addressing your first
Play.
Question.
In our use of force report, which was published in March of
2022, we give our methodology AR scope. And it was
interesting. So I don't have the exact percentage but I can
look at the report it and get that information to you. What
is interesting is that despite certain areas being
considered as high crime areas, which one may say will in a
high-crime area that accounts for more of a particular
class of individual basis. Tops, what we found it is that
despite the tears that CPD gives to its own districts that
across districts, the proportion of blacks compared to not
just whites but none black was, I'm disproportionate.
and,
and so, blacks were
at different levels, stopped more by the police. And then
when it came to when it can't, you just give me one second.
When it also came to where the use of force was
implemented.
Blacks.
Blacks have use of force.
use the
Use against him more times when it came to a mitigation, or
the different levels of use of forest, there weren't
disparities. But specifically, with regard to stop and use
the force in this is based off of CPD data, cpd's on
classification of his district. And that is with regard to
stops. And I'm used to force to investigate it to stop
report and the Tactical risk the TRS, but you can't really
compare to 15 to the 60. So I don't know all the dishes
that well, but I do know 16 and 20, which are pretty white,
and I dunno, 7/11 and 15, which are pretty black districts.
And I know what a heavy heavy concentration of police
officers in. Those were his very light concentration of
police officers and 16 and 20. So that's why I'm trying to
say, okay, well, where do you come up with this? Cuz if you
have and here's my, Maybe I'm Wrong. We can talk about this
another time.
Belabor.
Belabor this.
Belabor this but you have a 61 police officers for a square
mile compared to seven police officer over square mile. I
mean, that's all we do is cry and 16 about, we don't have
enough police. They're going to have enough police officer.
Arby's are two square miles were maybe in 15 or 11. They
may be ill for square black. So, I mean, there's a heavier
concentration, so I'm just saying, you know, I mean, I
guess I'm just feeling.
Statistic.
statistic, because if
Statistic because if you have a heavier concentration of
police, are going to more likely be more stopped by their
concentration of causar, is more likely to be more calls so
that's just what I wanted to say. I'm just curious how you
came up with these numbers. Spinach is not just numbers
percentages. So even if you're saying that, there are more
or less in a particular area that still doesn't account for
the percentage of percentage has the numbers stop or where
you support is out of that bottom line quickly. I think
you're absolutely right that a district specific analysis
is really important here. Chicago's very much city of
neighborhoods in this and lots of other ways, right? In
some sort of local, knowledge is really important and I
agree with you what we found we have been for that reason.
We have, there's a great deal of District specific data. In
this report, both both in the body of the report and we
visualize District specific data in the reporting on the
accompanying dashboard. What that data shows is that black
people are over-represented. So not absolute numbers, but
bye-bye proportion of
Pop.
Population of the proportion of people being stopped that
are black is higher than the proportion of people in the
district who are black and so where we see disparities,
again, not my number, but by proportion, by representation
in the population where we see disparities in stops in use
of force, in multiple uses of force, and in levels of
severity, of force each place where we see disparities
those disparities disadvantaged black populations and we
don't back there in calls to service.
It has nothing to do with anything. With the reported use
of force analysis. Thank you information. Thank you, mr.
Chairman, I just want to make sure that we're comparing
Apples to Apples. Now, I understand y'all two men from the
38th Ward position, but let's compare apples to apples. You
want in the 16th District is large because it includes the
airport.
Does it?
Doesn't include the airport.
Would.
What district is your born in?
But it's not.
That's not including the 20 and a half square miles.
It's not.
It's not including the 28 and a half square miles of the
district.
You.
You all continue to talk about the 16th District but failed
to talk about the three or four hundred officers are at the
airport and we talked about stats. So I just want to make
sure we can pair an apples-to-apples in these conversations
and not apples and oranges is everybody is entitled to
their own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own set
of facts.
Very well. Okay, returning to the order of questions, autumn
in Yahtzee.
add to
Add two questions when I remember now. The other hope I
Remember by the end of this conversation, with respect to
the discourse, disproportionate, disproportionality of
black people being pulled over during traffic stops. I
didn't get into the report but I have someone share with me
that the that the the frequency becomes more consistent
with the demographics of the community at night compared to
it during the day time and I was wondering if you could
elaborate on that. So I'm looking at the question of time
of day and therefore on a common sense basis visibility of
the race of a driver impact. Traffic. Stop data. The data
that we draw on an R22 in in this report is not traffic.
Stop. It is investing Tori stop data, which is a different,
a different information population. There has been a great
deal of work published recently on the traffic. Stop data
including the veil of Darkness that comes from Impact.
Formerly.
Formerly known as BPI drawing on the data that the city has
reported to to the state. And so that's not analysis that
we have done over with certainly relevant bad and and and
impact. Do you say that is a good source of information
doesn't come back when I thank you?
Thank you, sir. In the report. By the way, thank you for
the report and saw my colleagues. If you haven't read it, I
recommend that you at least.
Take.
Take some time to go through it in the report.
You.
You articulate some data points, been trying to gain
Clarity on average. How long does it take for IG to receive
the clothes investigative files bike open to be on average?
We?
Are you looking at specifically, the sexual misconduct
investigation is a sympathetic mandate to review
investigations into allegations of sexual, misconduct by
members of CPD for investigative quality. So the receipt of
those files is supposed to be like this is, this is, this
is a bit of a rabbit hole in terms of Information Systems
hear the consent decree requires Bia in Copa to provide us
those Case Files within 10 days that isn't exactly how this
happens.
What?
one, because I'm
One because sometimes they are late and too because
sometimes we have direct access to them through the
information system, the definition in the consent decree of
cases would be Ian, kobar must provide the case files for
does not entirely match. The definition of those cases
which we must review. All of which is to say, there is not
kind of one clear answer here on how long it is taking us
to get those files. We have made recommendations to Bia in
Copa to improve that that mechanical process 28 in the
oversight we have made some progress on that front. Thank
you. My second question is in your last report you
recommended that a new category be created to identify
sexual misconduct committed by police officers. And in this
report, you claim that several reports are not accurately
reported Define several
so,
So, how that works is, when we each week, when we review
colors disciplinary investigation, where we observe that a
complainant has made an allegation of sexual misconduct
against icpd member or where we see that there has not been
checked by Copa. We make note of it so that should be
covered in our
Or.
Or 44 report that exact number. I do not know offhand at
this moment. What's in the annual report in front of you is
a summary of that separate report, which will go into more
detail. We can send a copy of that to the shares. Thank you
each of these summaries or each area covered in the annual
report are summaries of our full-scale report.
And you're
And you look forward to the more detailed. Thank you for
bringing
I do.
I do have one more since it tangential to the recent
question and I know it doesn't cover this reporting. But
did your office have any involvement in the recent Copa
investigation? That was actually just announced today that
it was unsubstantiated with regard to allegations of sexual
misconduct involving some of the migrants
We don't comment on matters, uninvestigated matters. I will
save it, like all Copa investigations. Now that Copa has
clothes that investigation. We will review it first to our
ordinance, mandate to review Copa America games, can you
tell me if you played any role in it? Or were you just on
basically on standby, depending on the direction? That the
investigation went me, did you participate in it? Or was,
it was cold, but the sole agency conducting the
investigation.
Nicole.
Dacoopas investigation. They are the investigating agency
there. In our involvement will be in our oversight of Copa
conclusion. For it's coming from your office in this copas
determination that it was unsubstantiated. Is basically the
final say on the matter.
I am.
I I can't stay that are are we will exercise oversight of
Copa and review their clothes investigation will take a
look at preserving the confidentiality of Investigations
like that. You know, the announcement was made today that
the findings were unsubstantiated. I'm not sure if they'll
be any media coverage of that announcement but I assure you
with the r is it won't be anywhere near the level of media
coverage that was received when the existence of the
investigation was first made public, that concerns. Me is
really raises questions about the Integrity of the process.
You know, I had to had the conclusion been different. We
would probably be having it a different discussion, but I
think reputations were damaged. And and harm was caused by
a public discussion of a very sensitive topic for any
conclusion was reached and that is something that we should
look at their going for
Sacramento.
Tremendous.
Tremendous fairness concerns to accused members
investigations and it's for precisely that reason that I
answered your question in quite as a base of a way. As I
did I take oig's confidentiality obligations. Very
seriously. Not because it's what anybody wants to hear. I'm
booked because that's how we protect the Integrity of
investigative work. That's the standard that should apply
to IGN to all of the Season us to get to be completely. All
right, hearing no further questions. Thank you all for your
participation. Thank you for a to what this is for your
outstanding work in your detailed answers to questions as
discretion allowed in for those of you who were also at the
immigration committee meeting earlier today. I salute you
for your perseverance and you know, sticking with us it was
your stamina exactly. So long day for all of us. So with
that, ladies and gentlemen, I will adjourn this meeting and
convene the weekend. Thank you.