Testing one, two. Testing one, two. One, two. Test, test. One, two. Mic check one, two. Yeah. Five by five. Public meetings 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the Sergeant at Arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request. Individuals must remain seated at all times except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the City Council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive, or defamatory behavior or speech, which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting, is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms, such actions are disrupting or impeding the orderly conduct of the meeting. Any item that poses a potential safety hazards, as determined by the Sergeant at Arms, is prohibited in the gallery. Such items include, but are not limited to, one, any pointed objects, including knives of any kind. Two, banners, flyers, or other forms of signage. Three, food and beverages, including in glass or metal canisters. Four, backpacks, large bags, and sealed packages. Clear bags, not tinted in color, that do not exceed 12 inches by 6 inches by 12 are permitted and subject to search. And five, firearms, ammunition, fireworks, laser pointers, stun guns, tasers, mace, pepper spray, and toy weapons. Cell phones and other small handheld recording devices must be placed in silent mode, can only be used while seated, and can only be used in a manner that does not interfere with the ability of other individuals to view or hear the proceedings. Individuals or groups failing to adhere to these rules will be subject to removal from the remainder of the meeting by the Sergeant at Arms. City of Chicago City Council Rules of Conduct for Public Meetings 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the Sergeant at Arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request. Individuals must remain seated at all times except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the City Council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive, or defamatory behavior or speech, which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting, is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms, such actions are disrupting or impeding the orderly conduct of the meeting. Any item that poses a potential safety hazards, as determined by the Sergeant at Arms, is prohibited in the gallery. Such items include, but are not limited to, one, any pointed objects, including knives of any kind. Two, banners, flyers, or other forms of signage. Three, food and beverages, including in glass or metal canisters. Four, backpacks, large bags, and sealed packages. Clear bags, not tinted in color, that do not exceed twelve inches by six inches by twelve are permitted and subject to search. And five, firearms, ammunition, fireworks, laser pointers, stun guns, tasers, mace, pepper spray, and toy weapons. Cell phones and other small handheld recording devices must be placed in silent modeCan only be used while seated and can only be used in a manner that does not interfere with the ability of other individuals to view or hear the proceedings. Individuals or groups failing to adhere to these rules will be subject to removal from the remainder of the meeting by the Sergeant at Arms. City of Chicago City Council Rules of Conduct for Public Meetings, 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the Sergeant at Arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request. Individuals must remain seated at all times except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the City Council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive, or defamatory behavior or speech, which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting, is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms, such actions are disrupting or impeding the orderly conduct of the meeting. Any item that poses a potential safety hazard, as determined by the Sergeant at Arms, is prohibited in the gallery. Such items include, but are not limited to, one, any pointed objects, including knives of any kind. Two, banners, flyers, or other forms of signage. Three, food and beverages, including in glass or metal canisters. Four, backpacks, large bags, and sealed packages. Clear bags, not tinted in color, that do not exceed 12 inches by 6 inches by 12 are permitted and subject to search. And five, firearms, ammunition, fireworks, laser pointers, stun guns, tasers, mace pepper spray, and toy weapons. Cell phones and other small handheld recording devices must be placed in silent mode, can only be used while seated, and can only be used in a manner that does not interfere with the ability of other individuals to view or hear the proceedings. Individuals or groups failing to adhere to these rules will be subject to removal from the remainder of the meeting by the Sergeant at Arms. City of Chicago City Council Rules of Conduct for Public Meetings, 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the Sergeant at Arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request. Individuals must remain seated at all times except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the City Council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive, or defamatory behavior or speech, which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting, is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms, such actions are disrupting or impeding the orderly conduct of the meeting. Any item that poses a potential safety hazard, as determined by the Sergeant at Arms, is prohibited in the gallery. Such items include, but are not limited to, one, any pointed objects, including knives of any kind. Two, banners, flyers, or other forms of signage. Three, food and beverages, including in glass or metal canisters. Four, backpacks, large bags, and sealed packages. Clear bags, not tinted in color, that do not exceed 12 inches by 6 inches by 12 are permitted and subject to search. And five, firearms, ammunition, fireworks, laser pointers, stun guns, tasers, mace pepper spray, and toy weapons. Cell phones and other small handheld recording devices must be placed in silent mode, can only be used while seated, and can only be used in a manner that does not interfere with the ability of other individuals to view or hear the proceedings. Individuals or groups failing to adhere to these rules will be subject to removal from the remainder of the meeting by the Sergeant at Arms.City of Chicago City Council Rules of Conduct for Public Meetings, 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the Sergeant at Arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request. Individuals must remain seated at all times except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the City Council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive, or defamatory behavior or speech which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms, such actions are disrupting or impeding the orderly conduct of the meeting. Any item that poses a potential safety hazards, as determined by the Sergeant at Arms, is prohibited in the gallery. Such items include, but are not limited to, one, any pointed objects, including knives of any kind. Two, banners, flyers, or other forms of signage. Three, food and beverages, including in glass or metal canisters. Four, backpacks, large bags, and sealed packages. Clear bags, not tinted in color, that do not exceed 12 inches by six inches by 12 are permitted and subject to search. And five, firearms, ammunition, fireworks, laser pointers, stun guns, tasers, mace pepper spray, and toy weapons. Cell phones and other small handheld recording devices must be placed in silent mode, can only be used while seated, and can only be used in a manner that does not interfere with the ability of other individuals to view or hear the proceedings. Individuals or groups failing to adhere to these rules will be subject to removal from the remainder of the meeting by the Sergeant at Arms. City of Chicago City Council Rules of Conduct for Public Meetings, 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the Sergeant at Arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request. Individuals must remain seated at all times except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the City Council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive, or defamatory behavior or speech which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the Sergeant at Arms, such actions are disrupting or impeding the orderly conduct of the meeting. Any item that poses a potential safety hazards, as determined by the Sergeant at Arms, is prohibited in the gallery. Such items include, but are not limited to, one, any pointed objects, including knives of any kind. Two, banners, flyers, or other forms of signage. Three, food and beverages, including in glass or metal canisters. Four, backpacks, large bags, and sealed packages. Clear bags, not tinted in color, that do not exceed 12 inches by six inches by 12 are permitted and subject to search. And five, firearms, ammunition, fireworks, laser pointers, stun guns, tasers, mace pepper spray, and toy weapons. Cell phones and other small handheld recording devices must be placed in silent mode, can only be used while seated, and can only be used in a manner that does not interfere with the ability of other individuals to view or hear the proceedings. Individuals or groups failing to adhere to these rules will be subject to removal from the remainder of the meeting by the Sergeant at Arms. City of Chicago City Council Rules of Conduct for Public Meetings, 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the Sergeant at Arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request.Individuals must remain seated at all times, except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the city council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive or defamatory behavior or speech, which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the sergeant at arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting, is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances, are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the sergeant at arms such actions are disrupting or impeding the orderly conduct of the meeting. Any item that poses a potential safety hazards, as determined by the sergeant at arms, is prohibited in the gallery. Such items include, but are not limited to, one, any pointed objects, including knives of any kind. Two, banners, flyers, or other forms of signage. Three, food and beverages, including in glass or metal canisters. Four, backpacks, large bags, and sealed packages. Clear bags, not tinted in color, that do not exceed 12 inches by 6 inches by 12 are permitted and subject to search. And five, firearms, ammunition, fireworks, laser pointers, stun guns, tasers, mace/pepper spray, and toy weapons. Cell phones and other small handheld recording devices must be placed in silent mode, can only be used while seated, and can only be used in a manner that does not interfere with the ability of other individuals to view or hear the proceedings. Individuals or groups failing to adhere to these rules will be subject to removal from the remainder of the meeting by the sergeant at arms. City of Chicago, City Council Rules of Conduct for Public Meetings, 2023 to 2027. Pursuant to Rule 58 of the Chicago City Council Rules of Order and Procedure, the sergeant at arms sets forth the following rules of conduct for members of the public. These rules shall be in effect at all times that a viewing gallery or room is open for a meeting of the City Council or any of its committees. All individuals and their belongings are subject to search at entry or upon request. Individuals must remain seated at all times, except, one, when entering or exiting the gallery. Two, when providing public comment during the portion of a meeting set aside for that purpose. Or three, when asked to rise and be acknowledged by a member of the City Council. Profane, threatening, harassing, abusive or defamatory behavior or speech, which in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the sergeant at arms may lead to a breach of the peace or disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting, is not permitted. Disruptive or distracting actions, such as the stomping of feet, waving of arms, throwing any item, whistling, booing, shouting, or other loud utterances, are not permitted when in the judgment of the meeting's chair or the sergeant at arms such actions are disrupting or- Good morning. This joint committee, meeting of the committee on budget and government operations and police and fire be called to order. We'll take a quorum roll call, a roll call to establish a quorum with members Irvin, Lee, Solafaro, Lapada, Yancy, Harris, Ramirez, Quinn, Moore, O'Shea, Scott, Burnett, Cardona, Viegas, Nugent, Napolitano, Riley, Newton, Hatton, and Silverstein and Mosley. Also entertain a motion for participation via Rule 59 for the following members, Mitchell, Sito Lopez, Rodriguez Sanchez, Conway, Gardner, Clay, and I cannot believe Sposato. Sposato asked for Rule 59, you all. So we'll deny... Rodriguez as well. Okay. So moved. Okay. All right. Very well. So, I'll entertain a motion for those individuals we've just mentioned. All in favor signify by saying aye. Any opposed? In the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it, and they will be added remotely. Let me confirm, Alderman Conway? Present. Alderman Rodriguez Sanchez? Alderman Sito Lopez? Alderman Mitchell? Alderman Gardner? Present, Chair. Alderman Clay? Alderman Rodriguez? Here, sir. Okay. All right. We'll check on the others as we move forward. The time now is for public comment. Public comment, again, is limited to three minutes. We'll begin with Mr. Blakemore. Alderman Mitchell present. Who is that? Alderman Mitchell? We have you. Yes. Thank you. All rightMr. Blakemore, you may proceed. Thank you. You was the same chairman that put these citizens out of the meeting. You're Irvin, and you come from that ghetto ward. Nothing wrong with the ghetto, but no economic development. No economic development, and the only economic development that I see is on Madison and Pulaski. All of them are Korean businesspeople. Uh-huh. Yes, other Asian businesspeople, and no Blacks. Millions and millions of dollars are spent right there at Madison and Pulaski. You're supposed to correct that. You're supposed to help Black people that's looking like you, getting that money. It's something wrong with you. No, there's nothing wrong with Mr. Irvin. There's something wrong with the Black community that he represents. You deserve the government you get, and you get the government you deserve. I'm Black here. All these Black faces. Stop it, talking to her. Leave her alone. No economic development in your ghetto ward. Why is that? Why are they taxing your residents higher than they tax the rich area? Why is that? Can you answer this question? And why is it that you can be a Chicago policeman and not even a citizen of the United States? Why is this? Why are these seats empty? Don't beat up on Irvin. Beat up on the Black people. We old Black people have dropped the ball. Mr. Blakemore, your generation dropped the ball. Your generation had bank, business, hospital, service stations, all kind of ways of making money, even the lottery. Go on with Black folk. There's something evil here. There's something un-American here. There's something funky here. Now, I said it, you heard me. Now, look, he's going to run up. "Mr. Blakemore, Mr. Blakemore, your minute is up." That minute should be up. Always late. Always 30 minutes, 10 minutes, an hour late. Okay now, sit down, Mr. Blakemore. You've been at this little dog and pony show. Thank you, Mr. Blakemore. Want to recognize Alderman Clay. Alderman Clay, are you on? I'm here, Chairman. Thank you. All right. Thank you, ma'am. Next, we'll have Zoe Lee, followed by Patrina Puentes? Yes. Patricia Puentes Blanca will follow Ms. Lee. Also recognize, sorry Ms. Lee. I'll recognize Alderman Vasquez for purposes of quorum. Anybody else? Okay. You may proceed, ma'am. You know, they call you triple third murder, I think. Triple three murder, that's what they call you, Jason Irvin, because all them murders that's over in Garfield that keep happening. I don't know when we going to change. But I will say this. The Democratic party, the Black Democratic party needs to be broken up because you all have no solutions, and you all just never going to have no solutions. The fact that I've been now here for this long, and you guys still haven't apologized for the city knocking down the Sandpiper Lounge. The Sandpiper Lounge, you all have all been to Sandpiper Lounge. Majority of you all have been in the Sandpiper Lounge. Marlene Hopkins, a crackhead, David Moore, for sure a crackhead, let the Sandpiper Lounge get demolished, and did not pay Leroy Singleton, who's still alive to this day, and he had that business since 1967. It was paid off. This was a public safety, this is a whole public safety issue. The fact that our Black businesses can get unlawfully demolished, and we don't get paid. Violation of the Fifth Amendment. You all worried about the Voters Rights Act? I know you all are not worried about the Voters Rights Act when you all are letting businesses get demolished in our communities. And then you have pastor, R&B singer, Alderman William Hall, that wants to talk about the Walgreens. We're losing more pharmacies, but we get so many fried chicken spots, so many liquor stores, so many convenience stores, high gas. We'll get another gas station, but you all talk about it's Trump fault that the gas is up. The gas is up because you all brought in 22 million illegal aliens, and then you all let Biden and Biden's son Hang out with the Ukraine man and launder billions of dollars all last term. You think I'm worried about Iran? You think I'm worried about Israel? I'm worried about getting y'all out of office ASAP. Thank you for your comments. Next, we'll have Patricia Puentes Blanca, followed by Halton Hawkins. Without the S, Puente. Good morning. I had an issue on Saturday. Thank you. I had an issue on Saturday that it was, I called the law enforcement various times. It was 10:00, 11:00, 12:00, 1:00 in the morning, regarding noise. Cloud Gate Realty on 6435 unit F had his loud music on the parking lot. I called the law enforcement, and the law enforcement told me that an elder man from City Hall gave them a permit that stated that they could do whatever they wanted, that they were untouchable. And then I told them, "I don't have a problem with them having a party. Can you please just tell them to lower their music? I'm trying to sleep." There's people in this building that work in the morning on Sundays that have to get up at 4:00 in the morning, and you are telling me that you are not allowed to tell the people from Cloud Gate Realty to lower their music? How hard is it to tell these people, politicians, that they were having a party on the parking lot in an open space. Why don't they have these parties in front of their house, in front of their building, and see how their neighbors like it? Thank you very much. Thank you for your comments. Next, we're going to have Halton Hawk- One minute, sorry. The other reason why I am here, I abide by the law, okay? I follow the rules and regulations. Unfortunately, one of our police officers was killed by a man that had his weapon in his panties. That's how he was able to get that weapon inside. I am asking all of you guys that have the power to please allow for the law enforcements to get some wands so that they could check in the men's private areas. Please invest this money so that they could stop, so that our law enforcement can be more protected. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, we'll have Halton Hawkins, followed by Quishonda Harris. Good morning, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak today. My name is Halton Hawkins, and I am an employee of a company called Mark43 that is currently a law enforcement records management system for a department within the city of Chicago, the Crime Prevention Information Center. I have spent the last four years since I started at Mark43 working to expand the CPIC RMS in order to address some of the challenges that Chicago Police have with overtime and time to write records. Those time savings can be used to save up to $30 million in overtime, conservatively. Those savings can be used to give officers time in the community to build community trust, and those savings can also be used to address officer mental health and well-being, which I believe is part of the consent decree that you guys are looking to solve for. Additionally, Mark43 provides real-time data to officers as they do their jobs day to day. That real-time data enables them to make faster, better, more accurate decisions while lowering risk. And then lastly, I'll hit on the fact that in my readings online, I believe that you guys did an EY Ernst Young study on how to save money across procurement. I believe that study, in part, talks about expanding contracts throughout the city. So, I have an RMS contract for CPIC. We are in negotiations with Chicago Park District. We have also received a verbal award from Chicago Aviation for a new RMS system. So, we are here to help and try to expand and try to alleviate some of the overtime, as well as driving relationships in the community. And just here to help, and I'm a little confused on what's taking so long and the challenges that you guys are going through. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you for your comments. We'll recognize Vice Chair Robinson for the purposes of quorum. Next, we'll have Quishonda Harris. Good morning. My name is Quishonda Harris, and I'm the founder and executive director of Misty House, a proposed sanitation facility being developed in Bronzeville. Misty House will provide individuals with access to private shower stalls, hygiene supplies, and clean clothes.I'm here not only to address the critical gap in our city, but one that directly impacts health and hygiene. We are facing a public health crisis that drives preventable illness at an unnecessary cost in our healthcare system. By lowering these costs, we are free up resources to a city's priority necessities. Therefore, I'm asking for your support to ensure that this sanitation system is prioritized in the upcoming budget discussion. Your support will help integrate this critical resource into our city's fiscal framework, ensuring long-term stability, edible access, and essential hygiene services. Although the facility will be located in Bronzeville, just across from the Chicago Police headquarters, it will serve as a key resource to all of Chicagoland area. This model can expand as the facilities are being developed as a blueprint on how to provide equitable access to hygiene services across the city. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Next, Malcolm Weems, followed by Janice Cannon. Good morning to the committee, Mr. Chairman. My name is Malcolm Weems. I am the CEO of Techquity Partners, a local government solutions company. I am a local and regional partner of Mark43. I am just really here to kind of hammer home a point related to the budget and how the records management system can help the city with its budget issues without charging more citizens more fees, right? I spent a couple of years running the State of Illinois Budget Office, so I'm very sensitive to budgetary issues for government. But one of the things about the RMS system that Holton was talking about is he talked about a conservative savings of about $30 million related to overtime. That is based on hours worked. So it takes about four to five hours for police reports right now through a number of different systems. The current RMS that the city has access to through a contract would reduce that to 45 minutes. So if you just do the math over how many police reports you have, and you do the hours, right, that you're relieving, you get to about $30 million. On top of that, the City of Chicago is not compliant with the consent decree. It costs the city approximately, and this is based on a report by WTTW, about $4 million a year for oversight for not being compliant with the consent decree. The issue with that, if you take $30 million plus $4 million a year, that's $35 million approximately a year that the city could be avoiding in cost by using a contract that they currently have. So as a taxpayer and as a business here, we recognize that the city has to do more with less. So before the committee talks about adding fees and things and increasing budgets, we think it's really important to take a look at what you have. You spent $3 million on an Ernst & Young report to tell you these things. And so this is available to the City of Chicago right now under contract. So we want you to consider it. Even if you are to find a new RMS and you want to get another provider, you are probably three to four years from actually having data from that provider because they'll have to implement, do data migration, and all of those things. You currently have that now. So I just wanted to make sure I hammered home the point about doing more with less and looking at making choices to use what you have and follow that Ernst & Young report that you spent so much money on. Thank you very much. Thank you for your comments. We also want to recognize for the purposes of quorum, Alders Tabaris and Quezada. Also, I see that we've been joined by a former colleague from the 21st Ward, Alderman Brookings. Why are you here, sir? You going to come hang out with us today? Thank you. Oh, okay. I got you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Welcome as always. And our final speaker, Ms. Janice Cannon. Good morning. I'm just here for a small complaint about my area, the Chase Bank, which sits on 1130 West Taylor Street. I bank there, but the problem is this Busy Burger's across the street, and when people park in Chase Bank and run over to Busy Burger, not knowing that they can't park in Chase Bank, their cars are booted. I've seen people cry about this, just running to get a burger, not knowing that they can't park in Chase lot. Well, it says they'll tow it, but it doesn't say that you can't go across the street. So my biggest concern is how can you change this so that people get off of work, want to go across to Busy Burger, park their car at Chase Bank, and then they come back with a $75 boot on their car. I'm just asking how can we change that? Thank you for your comment. All right. We have three items up today. We'll begin with items number one and number two. We have from the Chicago Police Department, Ryan Fitzsimmons, Deputy Director of Office of Strategic Planning. Noel Flores, Deputy Director, Office of Analysis and Evaluation. Allison Clark-Henson, the Executive Director of Office of Constitutional Policing and Reform. Also joining from OPSA, we have General Counsel Sandra Talbot and the Executive Director, Eric Patterson. Committee will now move to consider items one and twoWhich are the 2026 overtime reports for January, February, and March. Item number two is the EIS reports for the same time period. I'll defer to CPD for any opening remarks. We have no opening remarks, Chairman. We're ready to just hop into the presentation here, sir. Right. Okay, very well. Malcolm, you ready? Okay. You all may proceed. All right. Good morning, Chairman. Good morning, aldermen and alderwomen. We have for you today a brief presentation on our overtime expenditures for quarter one. Next slide, please. Looking at our expenditures for quarter one, we see that we have two main categories of overtime expenditures. We have reimbursable overtime and we have non-reimbursable overtime. When I'm referring to reimbursable overtime, what I'm referring to are those expenditures that we get reimbursed by CTA, CHA, the federal government, those types of expenditures. When I'm talking about not reimbursable, that is the funding that comes from the corporate budget from the city. So we've come up with a way to estimate our overtime performance. At the end of the quarter, you'll have the final overtime payments will be reflected in payroll data provided- Could you speak into the mic? The members are having trouble hearing you. Yep. So final overtime payments will be reflected in payroll data provided by Department of Finance and released by OBM on city's open data portal. So we see our performance in January, an estimated expenditure total of $17.3 million. February is $16.6 million. March is $21.8 million, for a total Q1 expenditure of $55.7 million. Next slide. What we're focusing primarily on here is the not reimbursable overtime. This is the overtime that the city of Chicago taxpayer is having to pay. This is what comes out of the corporate budget as is appropriated on page 287 of the annual appropriations ordinance. So if you look at that expenditure for January of 2025, we're down about 13% year over year. February, we're down about 17% year over year. March, we were up slightly at half a percent. But our overall quarter one expenditures were down about 9.4%. Our March expenditures were up, driven primarily by an increase for memorial services for the Reverend Jesse L. Jackson Sr. And final slide. The strategies that we're using to make sure that we are keeping these expenditures down, we're leveraging technology to increase accountability. So one of the changes that we've done is we've changed our overtime application to force a mandatory overtime tracking code to be entered into the application. So every single officer, when they submit a slip, they have to put in a special code that will make that spending traceable. Additionally, those codes all have a prefix. So that prefix ties back to a unit number, so we can then follow back up with the commander or commanding officer to make sure that those expenditures are justifiable. And then the last thing we've done using technology is we've launched a new dashboard internally with clear budgetary expectations for units and command staff so they know what is expected for them as far as expenditures. Every week, I review those expenditures, and I have conversations with various members of the command staff about things that I'm seeing, and we escalate up the chain of command as needed. Additionally, we're continuing to deploy staff from the training academy, public safety headquarters, and other units to make sure we're meeting operational needs using straight time in addition to any overtime. That is my presentation. I'm ready for any questions that anyone has. Okay. We will have questions. Before we do that, my apologies. I meant to-- We opened this meeting, I wanted to have a moment of silence for Officer Bartholomew, who lost his life serving us here in the city of Chicago. So we can pause for a moment for Officer Bartholomew. Thank you. Start with Chairman Telli Farrell, followed by Alderman O'Shea. Mr. Chairman- Thank you, Chairman ... can you please acknowledge me to be included in this meeting on roll 59? Sorry to break in like that, but I want to make sure I'm counted. Very well, Madam Chair. We'll entertain a motion to allow for the participation of Chairman Dial. So moved. All in favor signify by saying aye. Any opposed? Hearing the chairs ayes have it. And Chairman Dial, you will be added to the roll. I'm assuming you have questions as well. I may. I'll let you know. I'll put my hand up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Chairman Telli Farrell. Thank you, Chairman. Just a couple of quick questions. Is the patrol division, is that where most of our overtime is coming from? Our overtime is split across a variety of buckets. Patrol, of course, makes up a large component of that. But we also see large expenditures followed by the detective division, Bureau of Counterterrorism, and then special events are also part of what we're tracking. So one of the big changes that we've done with this budgeting system is we have given everyone what we want them to hit for expenditures. We've pulled out some of those larger events, such as Mexican Independence Day, and commanders are no longer having to worry about those expenditures. Because we have a specific tracking code, those commanders now are able to much more closely control their expenditures. Do you know which special events are not reimbursable? I believe that's currently a question for the legal department. I believe Department of Law is currently evaluating where we can get cost recovery. For us, our major cost recovery is Lollapalooza, but my understanding is that's more of an exception as opposed to the rule. And I believe Lollapalooza has been reimbursable over the years. Whether or not we've collected from them, I'm not sure. And lastly, could you give us a district breakdown of, or provide it through the chair, a district breakdown of overtime use? Yes, sir. We can certainly get that to you through the chair. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Following up on Chairman Toledo-Farrar's question, your breakdown by unit, is it also by function? Meaning, how deep do you go into what they're doing versus the unit? For example, I see that the 11th District is leading in overtime. However, what's driving the overtime? What's the function that's driving overtime versus who's driving the overtime? Do we have that level of detail? Yes, sir. We have that level of detail. So we've given each commander a budget. Those commanders then are able to come up with sub-codes, so then they can track the expenditures on beat car coverage, robbery teams, large events, and then manage those appropriately. So for example, 11 would be like 11-001, beat car coverage. 11-002, robbery task force. And then they can sum those to make sure they're within budget, but also keeping accountability for those job functions. Is that decision made locally, or is that something that... Because, for example, is 11-001 the same as 12-001 or 15-001? Not necessarily. So the commanders do have discretion on what lines they want to create to allow them to justify and customize their crime-fighting pattern and allocate resources as needed. I'm not against the commanders having the ability to locally control what's happening. But I think from a reporting standpoint, I think it would be advantageous for both you and us to know that if beat car coverage is something that's a universal code across the board, then it makes it easier for people to track, because somebody's 001 may be different from someone else's 001. Do you follow my train of thinking? Absolutely. So the beat car coverage, that is a pretty consistent one across all the districts. No, I understand that, but it sounds like there's no standardization amongst the types of overtime codes that is being used, and therefore, it makes it difficult to understand. Because let's say, for example, in Area Four, I'll just use that as the example, in Districts 10, 11, and 15, that all of them have issues with beat car coverage. Maybe they need more officers, or there may be some other thinking that can come about if there's some standardization across the board with coding for overtime. Yes. Understood. The second question I have is, and this is just the accountant in me, why is there an estimate for March overtime and we're in May? So the way that the system works is CPD, we see the slips. We do not necessarily see the payroll. So we can see what was submitted. We then join that with our overtime salary data, and we're able to estimate what we think is going to happen. But at a certain point, it leaves our environment, and it goes to the Department of Finance, who then does the actual payroll. So we need to make sure that we're estimating this in a timely manner, but my understanding is we don't get the final payments until well after the period has elapsed. Let me ask you this question. If officer works overtime, what are we in? What period is this? Nah, it's a period. We're in a period, right? Yeah. So if a officer works overtime this pay period, when does he or she see that money hit their check? So I will get you that through the chair. That technically goes within the Office of Public Safety Administration. They handle our payroll. I would imagine it should be the next pay period, but we'll get you that through the chair. When did you get paid? Oh, you didn't work any overtime? Yeah, you. You're a police officer, right? So you work overtime today. When did you get paid for it? Should've been on at least two checks later. Two checks later. Wow. Okay. All right. Very well. Alderman Dove. Point of clarification. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Chairman, just quick question. Based on the first half of what you asked in that question, per district, I'm just a little confused. Is there a recording measure that shows what each district is utilizing as far as overtime? It sounds like there is, but what it lacks is consistency across the board, and it's difficult to manage. If 001 for everybody is different, then how do we truly understand and know without the level of standardization? I understand that we need to- Yeah ... the commander in that various unit, or the commanding officer needs some flexibility in how to code things. But I'm sure there's some standard items across the board that we should be seeing and where we can identify trends or items that are hitting a certain expense level that should be made available across the board as a whole versus every district picking what they want 002 to be. No, I agree with you. Is what they do have, did you ask can we see that through the chair, what they can show us? I didn't ask for that. But if that's the point, then maybe I will call the chart of accounts as it relates to overtime, if you could provide that to the chair. Thank you, Chairman. All right. Very well. Alderman Dove. Thank you, Chairman. Morning. How much Chicago police overtime is attributable to officers being on the medical leave? So at this point, we don't have a clear way to track that. We do try and backfill as much as we can, but we do not have a clear number for that. Okay. How does reducing medical leave duration translate into overtime savings? More hours available for officers to work would certainly result in fewer hours needed for overtime. What specific strategies exist to reduce overtime driven by medical absences? So when we're looking at this, we do shift people who are not on specific watches to try and backfill there. Additionally, we make sure that we are deploying members from units such as the Public Safety Headquarters Training Academy to backfill as needed to use straight time in place of overtime whenever possible. Okay. Are current leave policies structured in a way that encourage timely return to work for our officers? So I think it's a tricky question because some of this isn't-- There's the CBA, which is negotiated heavily, and then there's the pure policy. At this point, there will be the hearing, I believe, after Executive Director Clark Kensen. We'll have Executive Director Patterson, who will then present on this, and she would probably be better equipped to answer that. Okay. What safeguards exist to prevent the abuse of medical leave? So we have the Medical Integrity Unit within the Bureau of Internal Affairs. They work to make sure that officers are adhering to medical integrity. We're always checking up to make sure that officers are recertifying that they need to be on medical leave. So we do have a number of safeguards to try and ensure that those things aren't happening. But at the same time, trying to be respectful of those officers who have been previously injured in the line of duty, we try and strike that balance. It's a difficult balance to strike. Okay. How are Chicago police supervisors involved in monitoring leave status and facilitating a return to work? So one of the things that's nice about the workforce allocation study in pursuing unity of command span of control, ideally, we start getting the consistent supervisors who have an idea of their teams, their people, and they can better understand who is an individual who maybe are exaggerating their medical illness, and who is an individual who really does need to take that time. By ensuring that we have consistent supervision with supervisors who actually have a personal relationship with our members, we can get much more out of them than just adhering to a policy. I think it's putting the staffing in place to make sure there's a fertile environment for those relationships to take hold. I want to switch a little bit here to data and transparency. What real-time data systems are in place to track medical leave and a return to on-duty status? So I don't have insight into that from where I sit. That primarily is within the Bureau of Internal Affairs and also within the Office of Public Safety Administration, but we can get you that through the chair. We may also get a better clarity once Director Patterson comes up as well. So I want you to re-ask that when she comes up with that too. Okay. Does the Chicago Police Department have access to the system? A system that would track employees? That we'll get you through the chair. That I'm not sure. Okay. In instances where it is believed that medical leave abuse is going on, who investigates those situations? My understanding is that the Bureau of Internal Affairs will investigate those. Does the Chicago Police Department Medical Integrity Unit have access to the data systems that track medical leave and the return to duty status? That I don't know. We'll get you that through the chair, sir. Okay. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you. A quick question. An officer who is on medical, are they still assigned to their unit, or are they assigned to another unit while they're out on medical leave? So I think there's a variety of situations that can occur. One of probably the more common that we see is the limited light duty where you might have members who are going from their field assignment to another assignment, potentially to help us handle some other functions. So you might see them shifting from one unit to the other in those sort of situations. But an individual, let's say, that is not eligible for light duty that is either IOD or not, where do they report to, or who is their, quote-unquote, supervision? Yeah. So in that case, they would stay within their unit of assignment Okay. All right. Alderman Moore? I'm sorry. Vice Chair Leader and Alderman Moore. Thank you, Chair. Can you go back to the first slide, please? The second slide. Okay, we're here. So the not reimbursable amount for the first quarter, $41 million. How is CPD budgeting for the year? It's $200 million for the year for overtime. Do you have this sort of split out on a quarterly basis, on a monthly basis? Because I imagine some seasons are going to be more intense for overtime than others. So I'm just wondering how this compares to what we budgeted for the quarter. Yeah. So we're actually in a good shape for what we're budgeting. The way that we did this is this body in 2024 helped us invest in a data science team. We've since educated those members, so we actually are able to do some of these projections. Essentially what we've done is we've looked at historical expenditures, and then we've broken it out by job function and put things into different buckets, right? So unit expenditures, event expenditures, those sort of things. We then break those out by day, and then we put them throughout the course of the month. So every single day that goes by, more funding becomes available. And then since we've already looked at historical spending, we're able to track that very closely. We've made a few tweaks here and there for programs that were sunsetting from previous years, and then reallocated that money as needed. So every commander has been allocated an overtime budget that's going to vary based on historical... Based on what you just said, right? So it's based on- Yes ... historical performance. So it could be that, if the Ninth District commander, where most of the 11th Ward is, is able to manage the schedules and everything where they have, Alderman Quinn always likes the term I use, a good guy for the quarter, where they have some additional budget. Does that just roll forward? That's not being drawn back for anything? Yeah. At this point, we're not drawing it back. I think what we're trying to do, this is the first time we've really introduced this level of tracking. Mm-hmm. So we are seeing some success here in the first quarter. But this model is only going to get better as we continue to gather data and as expenditures are occurring, especially throughout the summer. So ideally, by getting more granular, our models will tighten up as we move into the future. Is there a process by which-- Okay, so let me back up for a second. Let me ask this first. What was police overtime expenditures for 2025? Do we have a final number on that? Let's see. That I will get to you through- Through the Chair ... the Chair, yeah. Okay. There's probably a few more things I'm going to ask you for through the Chair, but I'm wondering how much overtime is tied to scheduled events versus unplanned incidents. Obviously, you can't predict unplanned incidents, but I'm guessing that, from a budgeting perspective, you have to leave a little bit of wiggle room in there for things that will just come up. So what does that look like for the year? Can you give us a breakdown? Yeah. So and I think we use the word event and initiative a little bit differently- Okay ... than you use event and initiative. So for us, an event, an initiative might be teen trends or civil unrest or protests. Those we're tracking as events, right? So everyone citywide are going and responding for those. So for example, year to date for our planned gathering/march/civil unrest line, we had budgeted about 2.1 million and we've expended about 1.5 million. So year to date for our event and initiative, we had about 6.7 million budgeted for that, while the units we had budgeted about 45.2 million for year to date. Can you just repeat that one more time? You said you had 6.7 million budgeted. Is that for the quarter? And then what's the 45.2 million? So the 6.7 million, that is from January 1 through the end of April. Okay. And then the 45.2 is for the year? The 45.2, that's for units. Okay. And that's from January 1 through the end of April again. Okay. So the unplanned, just for your definition, events and initiatives are those protests, things like that that happen. Did I get that definition correct? And then for planned events then, for street festivals, for parades that are approved by the city, how do you categorize those? So those we're condensing into one thing because if you're a commander and you're asked to go to, let's say, Bud Billiken, or you're asked to go to a teen trend- Uh-huh ... functionally, your people are going either way. You don't really have much control over that. So we're putting them in the same bucket. So those we're having start with a prefix of 122. Uh-huh. So when the special order goes out and the members are submitting their tracking codes, they'll use those 122 numbers as opposed to if it was expenditures within the district, they would use their unit prefix. Okay. Got it. So then that way when we have that conversation with the commander about their expenditures, they're not saying, wellYou had all my guys downtown for Mexican Independence Day. How are you going to hold that against me? So we're not holding it against them. You've separated that out, but I think that this goes to what you were saying earlier, Chair. It seems to me that I would be interested as a council member to know the difference between things that were permitted and approved by the city versus things, and I mean planned events. Obviously if someone's planning a protest or a march, they have to get a permit for that as well. But things that happen in the normal course of a year event-wise, the Bud Billiken Parade, the Lunar New Year Parade in Chinatown, the Chinatown Summer Fair, those are very different than things that have come up that the officers have to respond to at the district level and citywide. And I'd be very interested in knowing what those are, the things that come up, because I think that that is what I hear, at least from officers and just around the city, is when our officers are pulled to have to cover events downtown or protests or a march or something like that. That does put a strain on the resources in the district. And we want line of sight into that. So it's something that I would encourage you to break out somehow. I appreciate that you're not holding it against them, but I think treating all events the same misses the point on some of this. Quick, before you jump to the next question, does that account for straight time, or is this purely overtime? So on a case in point, our TAC officers will get pulled out of 11 to come downtown. They're not on overtime. They're on straight time. They're on their regular tour of duty. Is that categorized any time they're outside of their unit to say, "Hey, I'm not in the district"? So is that accounted for similarly to a special event, or is that specifically just going after overtime? So the way that we've addressed that is, let's say your TAC team from the 11th District goes downtown for an event. They're on straight time, but you're the commander of the 11th District, so you then buy back officers to cover those TAC officers that are downtown. Those officers that you're buying back would then use the event tracking code, and then they'd submit that overtime slip, and then in a dropdown, they'd put buyback so we can capture the total cost of that event. Because but for that event, we would not have had that expenditure. But the officer that was deployed to that event outside of the district, that is also a cost for that event specifically that too is not being captured because they're out of the district, and we had to buy somebody back to work in the district in order to provide the basic coverage. So it seems like it needs to be accounted on both sides, whereby the straight time and the overtime. Understand we're talking about overtime, but at the same time, that cost associated with that specific event, if there is an event code, it should also categorize the straight time as well as the overtime. Yes. Understood, sir. Vice Chair. Thank you. Through the Chair, can you provide how much was spent for the New Year's Eve event, and May Day protests or the rallies that were happening? Yes. Okay. And then- Well, let's expand that too. You've got event codes, and again, this should go with the chart of accounts that you all will provide, so that there's some consistency to look across all events. Yeah. So within the code that they have for events, and what we'd be looking for is a breakdown of the individual events. Okay. If you can do that, that'd be great. Can you talk about controls, or are there controls to prevent unnecessary extension of tours? Because I know that that's also a source of overtime cost as well. Yeah. So one of the features of our internal dashboard is it shows when the expenditures are occurring. So one of the big things that I'm looking for every single week is when those expenditures are occurring. So if I'm seeing a pattern of expenditures in the afternoon, right, where if you look at our calls for service data, you look at our crime data, they're not really happening between 1:00 and 3:00 PM. But if I'm seeing expenditures there, it's going to prompt me to make a phone call to that commander to help me better understand why we're expending money there. And then if we continue to see that pattern, then we escalate with their commanding officer to continue to move up the chain to make sure that those expenditures are justified. Okay, so you're looking at that across all the districts. You're getting regular information on that. Yep. Great. Thanks. I just have two last questions, Chair. Mm-hmm. What do you consider an extreme level of overtime by officer? Like is 20 hours a week extreme? I'm just wondering what... I don't have a good enough understanding of how big the overtime problem is at the officer level, because what this is leading into is going to be wellness questions. Mm-hmm. So. Yeah. So one of the things that we do have in our internal dashboard is we can see the total number of overtime that the average officer is working, along with how much overtime individual officers worked. I think it depends on the unit. So if you see an outliner or outlier in district law where they're working a very high amount of overtime, you might want to have a conversation with them like, "Hey, maybe take a day off, take a break." There are some things with contractual rights where they're able to bid for some of those opportunities, especially for CTA. But we do have that figure in the dashboard, so the watch operation lieutenants, the commanders can see those people who are consuming a high degree of overtime. Are there, and this might be a really ignorant question, so forgive the ignorance here.Are there caps on overtime? How much is too much, I guess, and that's what I'm trying to get at here as well. The need is one thing, but the ability for an officer to do their job in a way that is healthy- Mm-hmm ... I think does need to balance out the number of hours. I just don't have a good sense of what's the highest level of overtime you've seen on a single officer basis. We've seen officers who have had dozens of hours of overtime in a single week, but that's in civil unrest or DNC or some sort of outlier time like that. I think it really depends on the officer's family situation, too, because you might have someone who, young family at home, any overtime might be too much for them. Then you might have other people who are young, just starting their career, they can do 15, 20 hours, no problem. But it's going back to those sergeants, those lieutenants, making sure that they have those relationships with their people to better understand what their people can actually work in a healthy way. Do we have any officers that are working 40 or more hours in overtime in a week? That I'm not sure. We would have to check. I imagine if we do, it's a very small number, though. If you can provide that through the chair, I'm just interested in the levels of overtime we're looking at. And you've already covered the questions about just safeguards and preventing fatigue related performance issues. Thank you. That's all I've got, Chair. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Chair. A question that she brought up raised another question. What impact or could the schedule be in creating overtime? So sometimes scheduling impacts overtime, and are we looking at scheduling models? Do we have the flexibility to adjust scheduling in order to deal with anticipated things around overtime? Are we looking at 12s? Are we looking at 10s? What are we looking at to try to alleviate overtime from a scheduling aspect? Yeah. So I think what we're trying to figure out is that fine line between what's collectively bargained and what we can do. Obviously, our first response is always to use our fourth watch personnel to move those around. We do have the fifth district, which are on 10 hour days. They have some unique challenges, some unique benefits. And I think as we continue down the path of the workforce allocation study, that's where we're really going to have to dig into what makes the most sense for our staffing, along with what's allowed with our CBA. Through the chair, could you provide a list of staffing models that is permitted under the CBA? And what is the standard tour in the department today? So our standard hour, I believe, is eight and a half. So it's eight hours on and a 30 minute lunch. Okay. So that's the standard. And what other schedules is it? I've heard of a 10 hour schedule. Some work a 12. I guess if you could just let us know, what are the types of schedules that exist in the department as well? Yes, sir. Okay. Very well. Alderman Moore? Thank you, Chairman. Who's ultimately responsible for police overtime? I think that is somewhat a philosophical question. I think you could say the superintendent is ultimately responsible. This body is ultimately responsible. The individual officer. Hmm. I think we- I know I asked you the question. When you say this body, I don't control those police officers. Yes. Understood, sir. So I'm going to ask this question. You take us out of it, you can go down the list. Who's ultimately responsible for police overtime? That if it's too bad, that's who I'm going to and saying, "What's going on?" Who is that? That would be the superintendent of police. Okay. Does anyone else have control over overtime besides the superintendent of police? Any other department? Not to my knowledge, sir. So does anybody in the Office of Public Safety have any input on what the superintendent decide about any overtime? Not to my knowledge, sir. So strictly the superintendent of police. He is our executive. He's the one who decides how we're going to conduct our crime fighting strategy. Okay. And our resources need to follow that strategy. All right. No further questions, Chairman. Alderman Burnett, then I'll come to Alderman Quinn. Do you have a hand up, too? Okay. All right. Followed by Alderman Newsome. Alderman Burnett. Thank you. So my line of questioning follows my colleagues similarly, but I want to focus particularly on districts that continuously have high levels of overtime spending. And I know you've noted that this is a new system of data tracking and figuring out how we are going to address some of these high levels of overtime. But what I see over the first quarter in the last three months 11th District is consistently the highest or in the top three of spending. In addition, Area 4, which is also covering a similar area, is a higher overtime spend than other districts. When we see these type of trends, what is the method that you all are using to try to address this overtime allocation? When we're thinking about the area overall, are you considering more police officers in that area? Can you talk about what you're seeing for the specific reason why certain areas have more overtime spend than others? Yes, absolutely. So when we budgeted, we looked at historical spend, and then one of the things that we have done is we've examined the amount of crime, along with the calls for service in a lot of these districts. And what we're seeing is there is a very strong correlation between overtime expenditures and crime, along with calls for service. One of the things that we do do to make sure that we are optimizing our expenditures and getting the biggest bang for the buck is looking at the time of day of those expenditures, and focusing on those to make sure that overtime is being incurred when crime and calls for service are at their highest. That's awesome. It'll be great if we can see that data, what that correlation is. Yeah. I do know that the 11th District is typically one of the higher districts for crime and reporting, so that makes sense. But to your point, if we can allocate resources more effectively so that we're covering the times and the number of calls so it's not overtime based and more standard flow, that would be awesome to see. I know Alderman Lee mentioned some of the year-over-year reporting. It would be great if we can see that with these reports quarterly. If we can just include for districts particularly that are high on overtime spend, what is the year-over-year change? Whether that's growing, declining, just so we can track very clearly each quarter how things are changing. Yes, sir. But that's all for me. Do you have a follow-up to that? Oh, to me? Yeah. Oh, no. We can certainly get that to you. Yes, sir. Okay. Alderman Quinn, followed by President Pro Tem Nugent. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can you shed some light on the month of May forecast for overtime? So- What's your estimate? Let's see. So I don't have May right in front of me right now, but it will be higher than April. So usually we see ourselves going up through the summer. We see a slight dip in August. We spike again in September with all the events there, and then we kind of move down October, November, December. Do you have a sense, like for Memorial Day weekend, will days off be canceled? That is not my call. I just crunch the numbers. That would- Correct. I would presume, though, being the number cruncher, that that would be something you'd be building into your- So we- ... model ... we would've built in previous expenditures for that date and the cost for that date. Whether or not we make that operational call, that's beyond me. But we have built in previously canceled days off as expenditures in the model. Okay. In your testimony a few minutes ago, you talked about the workforce allocation study. Hypothetically, how much could the implementation of that study have on overtime? Maybe it's a positive or, as Alderwoman Lee would say, a good guy for the city. Yeah. I think anytime that we're looking critically at our allocation of resources and thinking about how we can get more resources out of our finite amount, that would be positive for us. So we will be looking to see how we can move things around, how we can use civilian personnel for certain roles, but making sure that we're thinking through all of the secondary implications of that. And is the implementation started? Yes. And then perhaps you may have commented on this. Trying to get my arms around the unpredictable overtime cost. Any idea of what that is citywide? We can look at events that were one-off last year versus different events that were one-off this year. So you can never predict a war in the Middle East, but you can never predict a large funeral, but you're going to start having things that occurred that you didn't predict in 2025 that aren't going to incur in 2026. But you'll have different events that take that up. Right. Just sort of a ballpark. Yeah. So we can get you that through the chair and look at that. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Alderman Nugent. Thank you, Chair. Do you have numbers for what the overtime was for Q1 last year? Yes. I believe if we go to the next slide. So we were at... Okay, so we're down this year a bit, which is good. Yes. So January... So we actually went down $2 million this year, even with New Year's Eve this year? Yes. So one of the big things is when we force this overtime tracking code- Yeah ... it really shines a spotlight on what people are doing. And once there's a spotlight on the expenditures, we tend to see people be a little more cognizant on what they're approving and what they're expending. Okay. That's helpful. You had mentioned earlier that the superintendent controls the overtime, but I would just ask if you explain it a bit more, I would guess that he's not controlling each commander doing all- No. Absolutely not ... I mean, does he just give the green light to-- Kind of talk me through how that looks operationally a little bit. Yeah. So kind of just taking a big step back, over time, we come to this body in October, we're going to put forward a figure for overtime that we want budgeted that we think is justifiable based on our crime fighting strategy. This body will then debate it. We'll get allocated whatever amount we get allocated, and then the budget office will put that together, and then we'll start spending on that. An officer, when they go into overtime, they'll enter a slip. That then will be reviewed by their supervisor. Then that will be reviewed at another level by a, could be a lieutenant, could be a commander, another level of supervision, and then that will then move to payroll to get paid out. Simultaneously, I'll be looking at these macro trends to make sure that we're seeing the expenditures as they add up are aligned with whatever our crime fighting strategy is, and then brief up the chain as appropriate. Okay. Let me stop. Real quick question here. Is that before the event or after the event? It's after the event, after the expenditure has occurred. After the expenditure's occurred, then it's approved? Yes. Okay. Something sound off with that? It would be great if we could always predict the need for overtime. I think with planned events, we can kind of calculate how many people we'll need, but all too often there might be-- So look at Pride, for example. We have a plan for Pride, and then there's the after Pride event. And that, we kind of see some extensions and expenditures there which are more difficult to predict. Let me just ask one question. How many members of the department have been disciplined for unauthorized overtime or, I won't call it unauthorized, but what's the right word? It's not even unpredictable, but it's frivolous, for a lack of a better term, overtime. Yeah. So I don't have the exact number. I do know some people have been disciplined, because I've kind of shone some light on a few of those. But we can get you the exact number. Okay. Thank you. How long does it take on average for an officer to file a report? That I'm not sure of. The figure that I've seen and heard is several hours. And I know this isn't the hearing for this topic, but do you think if we finally implemented a better records management type system or upgraded that technology? Absolutely. A better records management system, better technology that brings fields from one previously submitted area of the report to the next area of the report, that would be incredibly helpful. Do we have any data that shows how many hours we would potentially save if we had a better system? In your opinion, what do you think would happen to overtime if we had a better system on records? Overtime would certainly go down if we had a better system. I think what we struggle with is you come up with an estimate for how long the report takes, right? Mm-hmm. And then the vendors will promise you, "Oh, we can make sure this happens in 15 minutes." "Oh, well, they said 15 minutes? We can do 10 minutes." And then no one's actually built the system. So you don't have a good sense of how realistic some of those promises are. Sure. Then additionally, we still need to work hand in hand with the Department of Procurement, the Office of Public Safety Administration, to make sure that we comply with all of the very stringent regulations around contracting and- Sure ... putting these together. But yes, absolutely. Better systems would cut overtime down. Okay. And then I know some of my colleagues had brought up Memorial Day and things like that. We look better than last year. Was last year a particularly offensive year for overtime? Were we average? Where were we last year? Because I only know this year and last year. Yeah. So we've been trending down since 2023. So we spiked in 2023. Mm-hmm. We've gone down in 2024. We're down in 2025, and we're below in 2026. So we're continuing to trend in the right direction, and a lot of it is just these small little tweaks, and by emphasizing these conversations with our officers and our supervisors, letting them know that overtime is not the answer to everything. Got it. Curious, do you have numbers for how much overtime you guys used on May 1st? So I don't have that number right now. Usually, it takes us about eight days to get an aggregate figure. So I believe it's somewhere along the lines of seven days out, you have about 70% of the data. Fourteen days out, you have about 90% of the data, and as you get further out, the more accurate the data gets. But at a certain point, you have to strike that balance between timeliness of the information and accurateness of the information. Sure. Can you get us that through the chair? I'd just be curious, and then would you have considered that a planned or an unplanned? For me, that I guess would have been a planned event because we knew it was coming, but it's certainly not something that we can always predict and calculate. Would you say, and I'm just-- I'm assuming planned is the Lollapaloozas of the world and the things you know are regularly occurring each year versus ad hoc. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Do you think there's things we should be doing to help with-- I know there's been, in one of your comments you had said, "Hey, overtime pertains to city council and OPSA and others." What do you think? Is there something we should be doing differently to assist? I think we're doing it now. We're having a discussion about the expenditures. You guys are bringing your concerns to us. We're trying to explain what we're doing, and I think as long as the dialogue continues, we'll be able to resolve a lot of these obstacles we're trying to figure out. Got it. Thank you. Thanks for the questions and my condolences on Officer Bartholomew. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Any further questions on item one? Go ahead. Question. Let me go to Napolitano, I'll come back to you. Go to Alderman Napolitano. Thank you, Chairman. I just have one question. Is there a record or is there any sort of document that is kept on how much is paid to or overtime or funding towards any officers that's, what's it called, ad minimis, that's sitting in a hospital with an offender that could actually be a county offender or covered by the county? Do we document that? Do we show that? Because that happens a lot, and we get a lot of officers that are- Are you talking about a late arrest or? No. So it would be a offender that is taken into custody and that is in custody, but has been charged, has been processed, but is in the hospital for whatever reasons. We got officers that sit on those- Mm ... offenders in the hospital when they actually could be turned over to county. Is there any documentation on that? Do we have-- And I believe it's called a minimis, if I'm not mistaken. That's the terminology for it. Yeah. I'm not aware of that. But that is something that we could look at creating a code for to begin tracking, if we're expending a significant amount of funding for that. If indeed- That would make sense. Absolutely. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman. Alderman Moore, followed by Alderman O'Shea. I'm going to call you Quinn again. Just going back to my last question. I just want to make sure, because I spoke it in terms of overtime, and you answered it in terms of overtime. I know the Office of Public Safety, we have this officer. I just want to make sure, are there any personnel decisions that they make within CPS that could lead to us having overtime? Or do all the personnel decisions as it relates to CPD is under the superintendent's jurisdiction, if you will? Oh, I see what you're asking. So yes, we do have some officers who are detailed within OPSA. What I'll say is, let's look at technology, for example, right? With cameras and those sort of things. Hold on. I think what he's asking is-- I understand what you're saying. I think what he's trying to get at is does the policy impact of what OPSA is doing driving overtime in the Chicago Police Department? I think that's what he's really asking you from a policy perspective, not about the officers or the detail. Yeah, somebody's detailed OPSA, the superintendent does not control their overtime per se, but does the policy of not bringing back an officer in 10 days versus 20 days, and that's not the decision the superintendent is making, is that driving overtime on that end? That's- With the medical time ... what he's asking. Is that basically what we're getting at? Yeah. Okay. So that's a policy that the superintendent got to abide by no matter what, and are there other policies like that? Thank you, Chairman, for clarifying that for me. Yeah. So I think with medical time, it's very prescriptive in the CBA what needs to be done. Obviously, people spending less time on the medical would then make them eligible to work, which then means that we'd have fewer overtime expenditures because we have a larger workforce. I think what gets tricky is when you're trying to figure out is this genuine medical leave. That is a very hard distinction. And who ultimately making that decision, the superintendent or OPSA? That is OPSA. The medical section is run by OPSA. And how much of that can you provide through the chair is attributed to overtime, if you will, if I'm asking that question right? That we don't calculate. Well, it kind of goes back to the earlier point of manpower. So if your unit is short and you've got to buy back for extension of extend tours or you got to buy back tours, then that may be the actual root cause of that overtime is the fact that you got some people clogged up in medical, right? Right, wrong, or indifferent, but that may be the root cause of why some overtime is occurring. I think everybody's trying to understand, is that the case? Is it medical? What's really the root cause of the overtime? And it may be, but it's not generally what that code is indicating, and I think that's where you're trying to drive another same point that I agree with you on. Absolutely. CoolAny other overtime items? I'm sorry, Alderman O'Se. Thank you, Chairman. Who decides if we're going to have Lollapalooza? That one, I'd have to get you through the chair. With a lot of these events, there's many different parties involved in actually getting that permitting through. I know the parks districts are involved with some events. CDOT are involved with other events. DCASE are involved with other events. So we have a very complicated way of approving special events. So I know there is a special events working group that's trying to streamline this. But at this point, I don't know exactly who is in charge of approving Lollapalooza. And how about who decides whether we have the Pride Parade? Again, it's going to be that coalition of different city departments that make a decision. How about street festivals? Same answer. It'll be a different coalition of different departments. CPD is only responsible for providing the security plan. And all these events I just mentioned, they require significant deployment, large scale overtime. Correct. Okay. Thanks, Chairman. Any other questions? All right. Well, this has been interesting conversation around overtime. And I think as we get to a better understanding, I think you said it earlier, as we begin to look at stuff, people may make some different decisions, and as we can get deeper into the data around this particular issue, we may be able to make some recommendations, or you all may see some recommendations that need to be made around this. So with that, we will close out item number one. We'll go to item number two, which is the early intervention system, and Chairman Toby Farrell is going to take it from here. Thank you, Chairman. Next item on the agenda is item number two, the CPD 2026 EIS report for January, February, March. If you could state your name for the record before you take us through the slide deck, and that'll be followed by any questions and comments that members of the committee or council may have. Absolutely. Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Allison Clark-Henson. I'm the Executive Director of the Office of Constitutional Policing and Reform. Okay. We could put the slide deck up. Okay, the department has been working with Benchmark Analytics in the development of our early intervention support system. This was co-developed with the University of Chicago and partners that include American Institutes for Research and the Joyce Foundation. It might be helpful if we go back to the slide deck so they could see the slides that I'm working off of. Thank you. Okay. Right there. Thank you. So the purpose of this briefing is a high-level overview of the CPD's early intervention and support system, to explain how the system meets consent decree requirements, summarize key findings, safeguards, and outcomes, and then to highlight oversight, auditability, and limitations. So what is the EISS? It's a data-driven early warning system to identify officers at elevated risk. It's designed to enable early non-disciplinary intervention. It supports supervisory decision-making. It does not replace it. It's built using CPD data and continuously updated, and it combines elements of both a traditional rule-based management tool with advanced predictive analytics. The machine learning tool identifies those officer behavior patterns that led up to an adverse incident. The purpose is early awareness, not discipline. So what the EISS is not, again, as I stated, it is not a disciplinary tool. It is not used for promotions or punitive actions. It is not automated decision-making. The EISS flags trigger review and support, not punishment. The goal of the system ultimately is prevention. Evidence shows risk is concentrated in a small group. Intervening early can reduce serious incidents before they occur. Again, this is a requirement of the consent decree. Specifically, it aligns with paragraphs 583 through 605. In summary, these requirements require statistical data-driven methodology, peer group comparisons, supervisor dashboards and alerts, auditability and annual review, and adaptability over time. It also requires for the interventions to be documented to best support officers with additional resources and their progress during these interventions. Next slide. So the department anticipates that approximately 4% of officers will be flagged for data-driven EISS enrollment annually, and these officers generally account for about 23% of all investigations and approximately 30% of serious priority-level cases. So again, the data is confirming that overall risk is concentrated and not widespread. The findings show that a small percentage of officers account for a disproportionate amount of investigations and serious disciplinary cases. In addition to the data-driven predictive alerts, the EISS will also include two additional alert mechanisms. The first are policy alerts. This replaces the department's current rule-based trigger performance legacy management programsIt will automatically flag members when their profile exceeds predefined thresholds such as attendance, medical misuse, summary punishments, and complaint and disciplinary findings. There are also command-initiated, that's your human element of supervisor alerts that are generated at the request of a member's exempt level command to address a pattern of professional conduct that suggests referral may be warranted. It's important to note that this system is for both sworn and non-sworn. So all department members are eligible for policy and/or command EIS referrals. So in the system, every alert is explainable, every record access is logged, there are role-based access controls. The annual independent review, with Benchmark and CPD's audit division, will assess accuracy, fairness, and outcomes. The annual audits will evaluate the overall effectiveness of the system. It will assess whether and to what extent the department is providing interventions and support in a timely manner, and if those interventions provided are appropriate and are effective. Consequently, they'll make any recommendations of any changes that are necessary to improve the effectiveness of the system. So what happens after an officer is flagged? Supervisory review is required. Supervisors review the alert. They meet with the member and devise a course of action report. This is documented, and it may include training, counseling, mentorship, wellness support. And again, I just want to emphasize here, the system is a risk management tool that identifies patterns early to provide intervention and support to minimize future adverse behavior. This system does not replace existing disciplinary processes or systems. So just to talk a little bit about progress and next steps. So at the end of 2025, the vendor, Benchmark Analytics, was selected and engaged by the city. Initial data review and modeling was completed in October of 2025. And in the first quarter of 2026, the initial application platform customizations were completed. Preliminary governing policy documents were drafted. Agreement with BIA and COPA regarding complaint notifications. And we also conducted a notice of job opportunity to staff the officer support section, which is the headquarter level section that'll have oversight of the system. Some of the more next steps, we're going to begin beta testing the data-driven alerts. The beta phase is designed to validate system functionality, data accuracy, and user workflow before full deployment. We'll be developing and providing comprehensive training that will include scenario-based training to all sworn and non-sworn supervisory personnel prior to any citywide implementation. Excellent. So ultimately, CPD just continues to diligently work on the development and deployment of an early intervention system that is compliant, that is targeted, preventative, transparent, and adaptive. The system is data-driven program to identify, support, and guide officers early when patterns suggest risk and performance concerns. The ultimate goal is prevention, accountability, and risk reduction, not punishment. And CPD is hoping to be positioned to launch department-wide at the end of quarter two next year. I thank you for the opportunity to present today, and I'm happy to take any questions anyone may have. Thank you, Director Clark Hinson. Just a couple of questions that I have for you. Once an officer is flagged, how long is he placed into that system? So the notification, when an officer is flagged, so once they cross that threshold, it's within the 45 days that that notification, that alert, comes through the system. And then immediately at that point, the members of the officer support unit review that, and within three to five days, then they reach out to the supervisor of the unit, and then they're placed into the system, and the supervisor then has another week to meet with that officer to begin the program. Okay. And do you also use data that's collected from internal affairs as a basis for referring an officer to that system? So the model is based on complaint register information, so it's kind of a four-pronged approach. So when there is a flag, the first is do they have enough information on the officer, meaning can they go back 365 days of the adverse event to see behavior that occurred during that time? And it identifies those patterns. And the other piece that's important, again, this is all coming from the complaint register that would come through BIA, where they identified statistically significant data. And then from there they do a peer comparison. So they do like to like. So for example, they would not compare a sergeant that works in the Office of Constitutional Policing with a sergeant who works in 11. So they ensure that that peer comparison is valid, and then that's ultimately how the alert is generated. Now, when an officer has an unfounded complaint, I'm sure... Well, I should ask because I'm not sure. If an officer has an unfounded complaint, does that stay a part of his record that can possibly lead to his being flagged or his or her being flagged? So yes. The way that this model has been established and has seen great success is that it is not waiting for final disciplinary positions. It is based on a complaint register that is currently still under investigation for that timely predictive model to be effective. So ultimately at the end, if it is unfounded, the weight of where they are is modified, but that does not inhibit the ability of that initial alert being conducted. In civil suits. Is that the same for officers that are sued civilly in the performance of their duties? It would be the same. If a complaint register was made because of some type of a civil suit or a complaint of that matter, then it would still feed into the model that ultimately, potentially, will generate an alert. Okay. Thank you. Are there any other questions or comments? Ald. Wily. Thank you, Chair. And thank you for the presentation. It's good to learn a little bit more about the early intervention system. Can you tell me again, what's the current timeline for full citywide deployment? We are hoping to be able to fully implement at the end of quarter two of next year. And so where are we today as far as progress towards that? So we currently have a draft policy governing the system. We are beginning to develop the training material around that, and our plan is to initiate beta testing in the fall. And I'm sorry for not knowing this piece of it. It seems to me that this has been a long time coming, right? What have been your biggest barriers to implementation? Well, our first one was having the vendor Benchmark Analytics. Okay. So once we had them onboarded last year, we began immediately working with them, providing CPD data that they needed. And so we kind of had to go through that exercise first before we could even begin moving forward with policy, and then ultimately training. But that was our biggest hurdle, was obtaining a vendor. So in the meantime, what current systems are in place while we're getting the technology on board? What do we do today? So there are some legacy systems. They do not include the sophisticated predictive model, but our behavioral intervention system and our personnel concerns. And these are legacy systems that are now going to also be included in this far more sophisticated digital platform. Got it. You mentioned pilots. Did you mention pilots earlier? I did not, but the beta testing we referred to? Yeah. I'm sorry. Beta testing. Okay. Yeah, same. I'm using the wrong term. No, no. That's okay. Just want to make sure I was understanding. Yeah. No, no, no. Where are we beta testing? Where do we plan to- One thing that we're doing differently than I think maybe what people would associate with other pilots is that we do not want to compromise the predictive model. So we are just going to heighten the thresholds just to ensure that it's working as we expect it to. So it can be from anywhere. It'll be a member who hits that threshold during the beta testing that will be filtered. So it could come from any unit, any district. So it's not necessarily district by district. Correct. Great. I think that's all I've got for right now. I'll let some of my colleagues ask- Thank you Ald. Wily. Ald. Elshahy. Thank you, Vice Chair. Thank you. How does the system distinguish between high activity and problematic behavior? So that, again, I'm not the expert of the model, but as I understand it, that kind of goes into that peer comparison. So individuals who are working in a very high activity would be compared to their peers also working in those similar capacities. Because as we know, the assignments are impactful in the workload, and that does impact the number of, for example, interactions a member may have with the community versus a member who's more in an administrative role. So that's a big piece of this predictive model of ensuring it's comparing the like to like as they explain it. When a Chicago police officer is flagged- Mm-hmm ... what interventions are triggered? So once the alert is there, they'll be reviewed first by the officer support units. We'll then reach out to the supervisor in whatever area or district that the member is assigned to. And from there, they're to sit with that individual and have a course of action completed. And that could include reinforcement training, that could include referrals, potentially to the professional counseling division. That could include supervisory check-ins that are weekly. So there's a number of different interventions based on the situation that they may decide to employ as a result, and that will all be documented in the system. So would these interventions be standardized, or would they be customized to a particular situation? I would say that we're probably going to see some standardization around reinforcement training. That'll be a likely referral. But I would also say that there will be some customization that will be important based on the individual officers and the particular adverse behavior that we're wanting to prevent further. What would happen if a supervisor fails to act on a flagged officer? That would be addressed then through higher command. That's not an option in the system, and that is why the oversight by the officer support section at headquarters, they will be in complete contact from start to finish until the completion of the intervention is done and documented. So we would be aware of that at the headquarter level and be intervening. How does the Chicago Police Department determine the system is preventative as opposed to punitive? So again, it is intended as a support, so distinct and separate from any disciplinary systems or processes that are already established. And the idea is that with that additional training, maybe some potential additional check-ins with the supervisor, potential referrals to some wellness programs, that as we work through that, we document the progress. And ideally, we would not see these officers as being continued to receive repeat alerts. So ultimately, that would be the goal that we would no longer see that. How does the Chicago Police Department measure that these interventions are actually changing the behavior of officers? So again, one of the things that we have identified through the model is that it is a small number that tend to be the drivers of some of these issues. So again, although this is intended to be a support, if we are seeing an officer who is continuing to have high levels, for example, of complaints, especially if ultimately the final disposition is they're sustained, then we would conclude that the interventions that have been conducted were not sufficient. Again, this will also be something that will be extensively looked at in those annual audits because we want to look at it certainly at that micro level of officer, but also more globally macro level to see if these types of interventions that have been regularly employed, were they effective in changing behavior. When we talk about police officers, we have certainly some districts that have a much higher rate of crime and some districts that have a lower rate of crime. Do we identify are officers flagged disproportionately at a district that is considered much busier? In this new predictive model, no. It is taking into consideration activity level, assignment, to ensure that we are not inappropriately over-flagging particular officers based on their geography assignment or function assignment. They protected against that in this updated model. As we're talking about all this, is it safe to say that we are several hundred supervisors short right now in the Chicago Police Department? In terms of an exact number, I couldn't really speak to that precisely. I would say that there is critically, in any assignment, we need to have appropriate supervision for any system to function properly to ensure that accountability mechanism is sound and effective. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you, Alderman Shea. Vice Chair Lee. Just a follow-up question to that, and you might not be able to answer this, but I know we've got the workforce allocation study that does indicate we need more supervisors, and it seems to me that the ultimate sort of success of this early intervention system relies heavily on having a better supervisor to officer ratio in order to feed the data, and to feed the observations into the system. Can you speak to at all what actions are happening simultaneously while as you're getting the system up, to ensure that we've got the departments moving towards increasing the number of supervisors that are then trained? Having a supervisor is one thing, but then also providing the training so that they can recognize what these attributes are, where the warning signals are. Yep. So there's kind of two parts because we've got two activities occurring simultaneously. This training will be provided once it is completed and approved through the consent decree process to all supervisors, sworn and non-sworn. To I think your earlier point is also we are working actively in identifying priorities for the implementation of the workforce allocation, which does speak to optimization of resources, and it also speaks directly regarding the importance of appropriate supervision, especially around unity and span. So that's also being worked on as a priority as we continue to move forward and expand the unity of command and span of control to ensure that that ratio is appropriate so that supervisors can in fact know their members well, be able to identify potential problems or reinforcements or mentoring that they may need. But ultimately also being able to effectively, as an alert comes through, to address that and identify the appropriate recourse that they should be taking to ensure that that behavior is eliminated, and that they see success and progress with that officer. And final question here, just on this topic. Is there something built into the system where maybe it's a new supervisor is taking over a group and somebody's partner observes that there's some things that might be of concern. Are there mechanisms built into the chain of command to get that information into the universe, I guess? Not necessarily directly into the system, because I'm assuming it's designed for supervisors generally to put those inputs in. But I'm wondering just what the process would be if I have a partner who I'm really concerned about, and it's not necessarily being picked up by somebody who's new, necessarily. How does that- So if a partner would go to a supervisor to just make that notification of concern, whatever that may be, there is then the ability, and again, it is very dependent on what- Of course ... you're saying. Yeah. For example. Because it may just be that maybe they need a wellness check. Mm-hmm. It may not necessarily-... need to be elevated to a behavioral intervention per se. But again, that human element that I spoke just very briefly about, that's what that's intended to do, where we're not just relying on a predictive model or this digital threshold being hit, because we really need to make sure we're mindful of that human component where I just know that someone is not behaving, they're late, they never usually are late, and we're catching those things, and that allows for placement into the system through that human identification. And I think that's really important to amplify here, because we don't want to eliminate that because that is a critical piece. Got it. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Vice Chair. And one final question from me before we move to item number three. I'm assuming that this program, after full implementation of it, will somehow reduce police or reduce legal settlements that we've paid out over the years. What's a timeline that we will likely feel the benefits of this program when it comes to lawsuit settlements and police misconduct? Ideally, once we fully implement and there is this mechanism that is sustaining and routinely identifying officers whose behavior is just indicative of a pattern that is problematic. I think once we start working with those officers one-on-one in this type of an intervention, I certainly would hope within a couple of years after that, that we would be seeing that preventative component showing success there, because we are now avoiding repeat issues with the same officers. Thank you, Director. We appreciate you being here today. Thank you. Before we move to item number three, let me welcome and acknowledge It Takes A Village Leadership Academy, who've joined us in chambers. We certainly welcome you and thank you for engaging civically with us. So we welcome It Takes A Village Leadership Academy. Oh, what's the school? Somebody set me up. Oh. Okay. We didn't get the- Okay. Say it so I can... Okay. Well, the same speech with Kershaw Magnet School. Thank you, Alderman Shea. I have to work on my quick comebacks. If you didn't hear Alderman Shea, he said, "No matter what, it takes a village." So, we welcome you guys to the chambers today, and thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. Item number three. Item number three is the first quarter 2026 Office of Public Safety Administration, Medical Service Section Audit quarterly report, and Chairman Irvin will chair us through this item. I got committee. Alderman Siversing, what time do you start? 12:30? Then I question that, sir. Where is your school located? Kershaw? Where is your school located? 6450 South Oak. Okay, Englewood. Okay, very well. Thank you guys for joining with us today. What grade do we have? Eighth grade. Okay. All right. Well, congratulations to all of you graduating soon. I know you all are glad to be out of the classroom today. But hey, this is another classroom, the classroom of life. So, we appreciate you joining with us today. Even though your alder's not here today, but thank you for joining with us down here at City Hall, so... Director Patterson. Good morning. Are you ready? I'm ready. Can you guys hear me? Okay. All right, you may proceed. Okay. Good morning, Chairman Irvin and Taliaferro, and members of the joint committee. My name is Aara Patterson, and I am the executive director of the Office of Public Safety Administration. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to provide an update on OPSA's progress during the first quarter of implementing the recommendations from the audit of the Medical Services section, which was published and shared with council members last October. Joining me today is General Counsel Sandra Talbot, who has been instrumental in coordinating this work on behalf of OPSA. I also want to acknowledge our partners in the Chicago Fire Department and the Chicago Police Department, who have been working hand in hand with OPSA over the past several months to address the audit findings. We appreciate their continued engagement and collaboration. This is deeply interdependent work, and progress is only possible because of that partnership. The audit identified 20 recommendations spanning policy, operations, technology, staffing, and oversight. These recommendations reflect long-standing operational challenges, many of which predate the creation of OPSA and the centralization of the Medical Services section in 2020.The issues that have been highlighted in the audit are not simple issues that were created overnight, nor can they be easily fixed overnight. OPSA has been tasked with doing a comprehensive overhaul of how the city manages medical leave for police officers and firefighters. That kind of structural transformation requires more than quick changes. It requires us to rebuild systems, put clear policies and procedures in place, and strengthen how the system operates day to day in a way that is sustainable, compliant, and effective over the long term. While we understand the urgency and share the desire to address the issues identified in the audit as quickly as possible, we are also being very intentional and deliberate in our approach. We are focused on doing this work thoughtfully, collaboratively, and strategically to ensure we are not just making short-term corrections, but building a strong and durable foundation for the future. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing, an effective, efficient medical services section that ensures that police and fire, first responders, are receiving the medical care they need to safely return to work as soon as they are able. Since the release of the audit, OPSA has made steady and meaningful progress toward addressing its recommendations. We have established regular working groups with CFD and CPD, and we meet and communicate regularly with other key stakeholders, including the Department of Finance Workers' Comp division, the Department of Law, and the pension board to improve coordination and eliminate silos that historically contributed to inefficiencies. We developed and have begun implementing new policies and procedures to bring greater clarity, consistency, and accountability to medical section operations. We are modernizing our processes and implementing critical technology improvements, including laying the groundwork for an electronic medical records system and transitioning away from paper-based systems that have historically limited efficiency and data integrity. We are also leveraging our contract with Concentra to streamline medical clearances and improve timeliness and consistency in how services are delivered. At the same time, we are investing in the people and structure needed to support this work. We have onboarded six new staff into the medical section and are conducting interviews to fill additional medical section vacancies this summer, while also evaluating our long-term staffing model with guidance from a pro bono advisory group of occupational health physicians that we convened to provide us with independent expertise on appropriate structure and staffing. Their expertise has been invaluable and has reinforced several key audit findings, most notably that the section has been historically understaffed, lacks sufficient supervisory oversight, and requires a more appropriate clinical leadership structure. For example, the medical section previously operated with two physicians, one supporting police and one supporting fire. But at some point, this was reduced to a single position. Based on expert guidance, the current staffing model is not sufficient and must be corrected. We also need to build out a stronger supervisory structure to ensure appropriate oversight and accountability in service delivery. We look forward to continuing to work closely with the Department of Human Resources and the Office of Budget and Management to address our critical staffing needs in a thoughtful and fiscally responsible way. More broadly, much of the work we've done during the first quarter has been foundational. We have taken the time to closely assess and understand medical section operations, draft policies aligned with legal and contractual requirements, define roles and responsibilities, improve data systems, and transition key processes from paper-based to electronic, and leverage technology to improve efficiencies. This type of foundational work is not always immediately visible in terms of outcomes, but it is essential for laying a strong foundation from which to build a more appropriate structure. This foundational work is what will ultimately allow us to achieve the long-term outcomes we are all seeking, greater efficiency, improved accountability, better service delivery to our members, and responsible stewardship of city resources. In closing, I want to reiterate that we are making steady, meaningful progress. We have met the first audit milestone and remain on track for upcoming deadlines, with the majority of the recommendations progressing as planned. This work cannot be done in a vacuum. It requires continued coordination across multiple departments and stakeholders, and we will continue to be relentless in our engagement to help ensure success. This is a significant undertaking, but we are approaching it with urgency, disciplineAnd a clear focus on long-term success. We are committed to getting this right, and we will continue to keep this body informed as the work progresses. At this time, Sandra and I are happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you, Director Patterson. I have one question. You appeared before Committee on Budget and Government Operations back in, it was October, November, for your annual budget hearing. I think I said then that you were kind of the last hope over there. Can you tell us exactly what has happened between then and now as it relates to this single issue, which many of us believe has been one of the largest cost drivers in the department, is the number of individuals who are unavailable for duty. So, two things. Number one, what are the numbers like from when you started to where you are today? And the second thing is, what specific items have been done to correct this issue? Sure. So, as I alluded to in my opening remarks, we are really trying to take a comprehensive approach to this. For me, one of the very first steps in ensuring we do this right is actually taking time and observing the operations. Sandra and I have both spent several hours shadowing staff, trying to see firsthand how we are delivering services to the members. Looking at those processes, I think one of the things that we realized very early on is the structure, right? There really wasn't the policy procedures. We really needed to sit down and take time to think about those really important foundational aspects that frankly did not exist. That includes listening to staff. That includes meeting regularly with the police department and the fire department to understand what their needs are, and how we've measured in terms of meeting those needs, and trying to ensure that we are strengthening our partnership with them. It's looking at the resources we have from a technology standpoint that are already available to us that we could leverage in order to build efficiencies into our workflow. It's working very closely with Concentra, who is the vendor who provides our medical services, and getting a sound understanding of exactly what that contract requires. And having regular meetings with them to make sure that they understand what that contract requires. It's looking at how our processes work together and identifying opportunities to improve efficiencies in how we share information and how we communicate. I could go on and on. We have been very deliberate in drilling down into the brass tacks to get a sound understanding of where things were back in October, and really thinking comprehensively and strategically about the foundation that we have to lay in order for us to achieve some long-term successes. In terms of numbers, I can tell you that from April of last, what is it? April 30th of last year to April 30th of this year, as it relates to the fire medical role, we went from 7.1% of the fire department being on medical role to 8.2%. So about a 1% difference over the last year for the fire side. As it relates to the police side in that same time, we're trending about 0.3%. So we went from 5.7% of the department being on medical to about 6%. So in terms of the numbers, the variation really hasn't changed that much, and we don't expect it to, because we are still laying the foundation of our operations. And so we are still assessing what the appropriate steps forward should be before we implement and finalize our plans. So, I don't know what direction you received walking in the door. But if I were to tell you that if there aren't any measurable differences by a point certain that this may not exist, would there be some different steps that would be taken or... Because what you're telling me is that you guys are doing a lot of evaluating, and it seems like we're in that analysis paralysis, right? And what I'm looking for is what are some actionable things. Like for example, we talk about we've got one doctor that's overseeing what? 15,000 people, theoretically, right? Have we hired a second, third, or fourth doctor? Are we looking at objective concrete steps that we can take to get a better handle onOn this. I'm going to give you a story, and this is kind of what it sounds like to me. In my previous life, I was a city manager, and it was the biggest issue they had was meter reading of water meters. Well, guess what? They had no meter readers. So how can you read water meters if you have no meter readers? And I'll equate that to how can we adequately talk about medical services or doing some work when we only got one doctor that's overseeing literally thousands of people. Where are we on hiring or contracting out a second doctor or a third doctor or somebody else that can help us get through this, my assumption of a backlog of cases, because I can imagine that it's only one person is reviewing at least hundreds of people actively on the roll, but managing a whole two departments. So in terms of thinking about these types of structural changes, and as a city manager, I'm sure you can appreciate how complex and entangled everything that we do is with multiple departments. And so in terms of a short fix, as I indicated in my statement, there is no short, simple, easy solutions. We are working in parallel to identify things that we can do in the short term to try to provide a little bit of that relief in the short term. But the reality is, we have to do this analysis, we have to do these assessments because we work with other departments who also have their own general orders and their own policies and their own CBAs that impact our operations. So we have to do a bit of a coordinated dance with all of the key stakeholders to make sure that we're not violating any of those statutory requirements, contractual requirements, ordinance requirements. There are a lot of things that we have to be mindful of, that we have to navigate, that we make sure that we do in a really smart, thoughtful way. So yes, this is going to take time, but we do feel the sense of urgency, and we are working on this diligently. In terms of short term, regarding the doctors, we have two doctors now that are on contract via Concentra. That is one of the things that we have been able to do in the short term while we work with our city partners to identify additional vacancies that will enable us to hire two medical doctors. We currently do have a vacancy for one doctor. I would say that we probably need to look at the classification for that position in order to ensure that we're able to recruit a good qualified pool of candidates and compensate them at a rate that a medical doctor would expect to be compensated at. And so that is something that we are currently evaluating and looking at, for example, and we hope to be able to present a fuller comprehensive staffing plan based on all of these nuggets of information that we're gathering, all these observations that we're doing. We're not doing it just for the sake of doing it. We're doing it with the very intentional goal of implementing something that actually makes sense. I really hear you and hear what you're saying. But it sounds like there's some very specific choke points in a process, and if we understand those particular points, while we are continuing to do analysis, while we've got probably plans on the shelf for analysis, addressing some of those very critical objective points would, I think, this is just my opinion, create a sense of that something is happening as far as the urgency of trying to get something done. I don't necessarily feel a level of like a, let's get costs down. We're having these high-level conversations, but I'm just trying to understand and drill down to, hey, what are we doing to bring down the numbers, which are, in fact, you're telling me, are now trending upwards, albeit very slightly, and I'm not going to say that to... But we're expecting those numbers to go down, and we actually need those numbers to go down so that we can redeploy those resources back to critical city functions. And I think that's the one thing, I think, that many of us in this body agree that is a driver of cost. And I understand your desire to make it perfect, but we cannot let perfect be the enemy of the good. That's a Joe Moore statement. I didn't have that one. Alderman O'Shea. Thank you, Chairman. Good afternoon, Director Patterson. Good afternoon. I'm going to ask similar questions to what I asked prior. What real-time data systems track medical leave and return to duty status in the Chicago Police Department? So we use the CLEAR system. It's a system that both the Chicago Police Department and OPSA have access to to help track the medical status of CPD officers. Does the Chicago Police Department have access to the system to track their own employees? General counsel. Good morning. My name is Sandra Talbot. I'm the general counsel of OPSA. The question was, does the Chicago Police Department have access to CLEAR? And the answer is yes. So they have the ability to track their own employees? Yes. Who, what entity, what organization investigates allegations of medical abuse on the Chicago Police Department? The Bureau of Internal Affairs. Does the Chicago Police Department Medical Integrity Unit have access to the data systems that track medical leave and return to duty status? Yes, they do. How much overtime in the Chicago Police Department is attributable to officers being on medical leave? As was noted earlier, there is no direct way to track that data right now. But we're working on trying to identify that? Yes, we are. OPSA has been in contact with DTI to see if there's a way that we could embed that into the existing system. And how would we say reducing medical leave duration translate into savings with overtime? I believe that would be a more appropriate question for Chicago Police Department because they do manage their operations, and so they would be the ones that would determine staffing and whatnot. So that's not something that OPSA would be able to answer. Can you list specific strategies to reduce overtime driven by medical absences on the police department? Can you repeat the question? What specific strategies are at your disposal now to reduce overtime driven by medical absences? The strategy that we have is as it relates to OPSA's operations, right? Looking at how we can streamline how we're managing cases and helping ensure that officers get back to work as soon as possible, as soon as they're physically and mentally able to do so in a safe way. Are current leave policies on the police department structured in a way that encourages officers returning to work in a timely fashion? I think that there's a generous leave policy that officers are entitled to that impacts the amount of time that they remain out on leave. What safeguards currently exist to help prevent medical leave abuse? We are, as our report that was submitted April 15th indicates on page two, we have taken a number of steps, including formalizing draft procedures that we believe lay the foundation for proper escalation that will ensure compliance metrics and deliverables are met. This is very much a work in progress, and we are working hand in hand with CPT to ensure that their needs are met in this process as well, and that we're doing it in a way that's operationally aligned throughout the departments. But we are taking a very close look at our internal procedures to make sure that we are regularly reporting non-compliance and we are escalating appropriately. And if and when the need arises that OPSA provides the support for decertification of the medical role, which means that an officer is removed from medical payroll status. And when we talk about medical leave status, are Chicago Police Department supervisors involved in monitoring leave status and facilitating return to duty? Currently, there are several Chicago Police Department members who are detailed to the medical section. And to my knowledge, that is one of their responsibilities, is reviewing time spent on medical. And you mentioned earlier that Chicago Police Department can utilize CLEAR. Does HIPAA impact the ability of what the police department supervisors can see in CLEAR? HIPAA would. Under the current version of the city HIPAA policies and procedures, OPSA Medical is designated a HIPAA component, healthcare-like component.My understanding is that designation is going to be removed in an upcoming version of the HIPAA policies and procedures. I have not yet seen the update as of today. So in the past, the police department could see that information. Currently, it cannot? Is that fair to say? I could see what information exactly. Had access to the status of officers who were off on medical. The CPD has always had access to CLEAR, and certain levels of CPD officers and up the chain of command have access to work statuses, day counts, everything needed to monitor employee workforce. What has been limited to OPSA medical staff, including some CPD officers detailed to OPSA medical, is the permission in CLEAR that relates to confidential medical information. So CLEAR is used by OPSA Medical to document conversations about medical information, and also to document information received by a member's personal physician in support of continued medical leave. So what is the city's policy as we speak on that? As I indicated, I don't have a revised version of the city's policy. My understanding, if it has not been changed already, it will be changed to remove the OPSA medical designation that requires OPSA to comply with HIPAA. So when we talk about HIPAA, we could change city policy on that, correct? My understanding is a determination is made by the city's privacy officer. And as I've indicated, I believe the policy is going to be changed if it has not been changed already. But the answer is, that determination lies outside of OPSA Medical. So the Chicago Police Department has a medical integrity unit currently, and has had that for as far back as I can remember. But they don't have access to medical information on their officers who are off on medical? As I mentioned earlier, there are CPD sergeants and officers that are within OPSA Medical that have access to everything that any OPSA Medical employee has access to. Under HIPAA, under city policy that was in effect in October of last year, protected health information could not have been shared outside of OPSA Medical. And so steps have been taken to protect protected health information that didn't have an otherwise authorized use under HIPAA. Point of information, Alderman Newton. How do you appropriately staff, or how is CPD expected to appropriately deal with staff that might be on medical if they have to be on a limited duty or placed perhaps in a different role if they don't have access to the medical, though? I'm just trying to follow it, and I'm having a hard time. Thank you, Chair. It sounds like the department does have access, but is limited to a very small number of people that are detailed to OPSA, is what it sounds like. My question is, if CPD's tasked with overseeing how we handle the medical, and it doesn't sound like they're given complete access, and if you're trying to figure out how you work with folks that might be on light duty or limited, but you don't have access to the file, how is CPD supposed to do that appropriately? So as it relates to limited duty, officers still have to perform the essential functions of their job. So all of the essential functions you have to do as full duty, you have to comply with or meet on limited duty as well. You're just able to do it with some restrictions, but you still have to do all of the things. So in terms of the information that CPD has access to, they do get access to information in order for them to know when someone's on medical leave, when they're coming off medical leave. All of the things that Ms. Talbert mentioned earlier, there's tiered access depending on the role and responsibility someone within the Chicago Police Department has. And so there are officers who have access to everything, there are sergeants who have access to everything, and then there are other individuals in the department whose access may be limited in order to protect the confidential medical information of employees while also giving them access to the employment records that that information might inform.Thank you. Alderman Kaiser. Can anyone who's not assigned to OPSA see the medical information on CLEAR? There is a permission for OPSA medical staff. Mm-hmm. And that permission is only available to people who work in OPSA medical or have an integral support function for OPSA medical. It would seem to me that we have a real problem here, and the numbers aren't trending in the right direction. And I say that, we have almost 2,000 less officers than we had just a few years ago, yet the problem's worse. I think we need to figure out a way to put OPSA and the police department in a room and figure out what's the best way to attack this problem, to get people back to work and identify people who are medical abusers. But the system we have now, it's not working. And I think the same would go for the Chicago Fire Department. Thanks, Chairman. Thank you, Alderman. Point you made earlier about the fire department. The fire department has minimum manning, so if a member is out for medical, is there a classification that would say, "Hey, we had to buy back this shift because firefighter X was unavailable for duty." Is that classified in such a way? I believe what you're getting at, and please correct me if I'm wrong, if there's a way similar to police department that we can track overtime expenses or expenses allocation, expenses, contract those in line with a medical percentage. Medical- Straight or overtime. For example, there are relief lieutenants, relief engineers that are in it because of the minimum manning. The police department could very well say, "You know what? We're not going to staff that function today because Tom's out on medical leave." There's no contractual obligation for us to do that. But there is a contractual obligation to have minimum manning on a rig or a piece of equipment. So that is slightly different in how those two things can be approached. I'm just trying to, I guess, further quantify the financial impact of the medical section, and it's a greater impact than just the guy who is out on medical. There is an additional cost of potentially straight and/or overtime in order to compensate and cover for that individual member's absence on a fire piece of equipment. Different conversation for the police department, but I think we could, with some certain level of finality, understand what that cost is in the fire department. I think that's something that we would be happy to look into. I don't have those numbers here with me today, but it's something we could certainly look into and get back to you through the chair. Okay. All right. All right, I had Vice Chair Lee, and I want to add Alderman Gardner to the roll. I think, did we add Alderman Nugent to the roll? And also saw non-member Walker Speck as well, so we'll add them to the roll. I think everybody else we got. And then I see Alderman Clay is in the building. We'll add her to the roll as well. Vice Chair. Thank you, Chair. And thank you, Director Patterson, for being here today. This is not an area of expertise for me, so I may ask some real rudimentary questions, so please bear with me. I imagine that there are a lot of different reasons people go out on medical leave for any number of things. Slip and fall, getting into the car, injury in the workplace if they're shot while they're on duty, or any number of reasons. So I want to break this up in terms of two pieces. What's the average time to sort of evaluate an officer? And then on the back end, once someone is through the treatment period, if there was a surgery and anticipated time to recover from surgery is, let's say, four to six months. What's the time period then from the time that their recovery is expected to be done before someone is cleared to go back to work? So there are guidelines available that have those types of time frames associated with different types of injuries. So an injury to an ankle, depending on what it is, there's a minimum kind of time that you would expect somebody to receive treatment and be able to heal and recover. There's an average, and then there's a maximum. So there is that data that is available. One of the things that we are proactively working on right now is really looking at our operations and how we're leveraging that data in terms of managing treatments and working with the officer. So there's definitely opportunity for improvement that we have identified, and we are working right now to figure out a way to operationalizeMaking sure that we're meeting those minimum timeframes where appropriate, understanding that everybody's recovery journey is going to be unique, and so there are going to be some outliers. But really, to the extent possible, trying to ensure that we have that oversight to come as close to those guidelines as possible. So if someone's injured, and let's say they go to the emergency room to be evaluated and treated, but what point does the physician that we have working for us, or the two contracted ones, where's the handoff? And then from the acute triage piece of it, to the treatment, to recovery, I'm trying to get a better sense of what it is these physicians do that work for us in the unit. And what's the sort of timeframe for individuals to be evaluated by the physician? Because I get every indication that what we have is not quite enough to serve the needs that we have today. I'm just trying to get a more clear picture of what that looks like in practice. Sure. So I think the two departments have two very different operations, depending on the collective bargaining agreement. Chicago Fire Department has nurse practitioners on staff that are actually seeing and evaluating, they're medically evaluating all of the members that come through on medical layup. Chicago Police Department does not. They do not have nurse practitioners or physicians reviewing them at any point in the medical section. What Chicago Police Department medical staff are doing is evaluating third-party doctors, a member's doctor, or a treating physician. They're evaluating their notes against some of the guidelines that Ara mentioned to determine when a member is safe to return to work. So there are regular checkups that is designed to ensure that the member is following the treatment plan, that they are providing supporting documentation that justifies the medical leave that they are on. And if and when an adjustment is needed, our staff within OPSA Medical will make those determinations. To answer a question you have about the physicians on staff, so the medical director, depending on the case, the complexity of each case, has certain specific responsibilities relating to medical within OPSA, again, outlined under the collective bargaining agreement. So any time there is a police department member who believes an injury is a recurrence of an injury on duty, our medical director will review all the underlying paperwork to come to a decision as to whether or not the injuries are related. There are something called an MRO, a medical review officer requirement that has to be a physician for any positive drug tests that come back within the Chicago Fire Department. That is one responsibility. Some of the requirements leading to a pension case that goes before the pension board, the medical director is responsible for reviewing case files to render an opinion. And I think, depending on the staffing model that we eventually will propose, what we have heard is that the more involved a medical director can be in the member care on a day-to-day basis, and being there to triage questions and concerns that come up through non-physician staff members, the better that will be for the ultimate outcome of a case. So a lot of communication is required between a medical director, OPSA's medical director, and outside providers. That medical director will be the first to challenge any medical determination that seems a little suspicious or not in line with medical practice guidelines that we've referenced. And so they also serve as somewhat of a steward of OPSA's and the city's resources and medical time. Got it. So the medical staff that are evaluating the third party doctor information, who are those individuals? Are they themselves medical professionals? Are they officers? I'm just- Sure ... trying to understand that. Yeah. Some of them are case managers. So these are people who may not have a defined medical background, but have experience doing this type of work, evaluating medical paperwork. Both of our medical offices, both fire and police, are overseen by a medical administrator in both cases. One is a nurse practitioner and one is a nurse who has a lot of experience in insurance adjustments. And so they are overseen by medical professionals. Did the audit produce any interesting findings about just the-- I know that each different group, CFD and CPD, are governed by their own collective bargaining agreements, but as the function of OPSA, trying to find these efficiencies, if you will, and synergies in how to do this in a way that serves the city better as a whole. I wonder if the audit opined at all about opportunities for-I guess, I don't know what the right word is. Is making some changes to these systems that would reduce the amount of time or paperwork. I know we're talking about things on the margin here. Right, so knowing that they're two different systems, I just wonder if there was anything that we gleaned from that that would be useful in maybe suggesting some changes to the way that it's done today. Yeah. So I can certainly speak to that. There are some findings and recommendations in the audit about timely case note updates. And so as a result, our current draft policy offers within 24 hours, a case note is updated so that the rest of the staff know when the timing can be set for the follow-up appointment. So there are also medical override recommendations, basic memorialization of certain policies and procedures that are in place that haven't been really written down in any formal fashion in the past. And so we are tightening up in our house. We are certainly adding elements of quality control and regular reporting on our end. And that is all part of this early phase procedure and policy development that we are hopefully going to be finished with soon. I appreciate that. And my last line of questioning is just back on the subject of overtime. Again, there's lots of different reasons people are on medical leave. There's lots of different reasons that the police have to use overtime. So this assumption that there's some direct correlation between overtime numbers and medical leave, I get that it's a contributing factor. Have there been any studies done to try to look at the number of people and hours that are lost on people on medical leave versus the overtime that is expended? I do believe this was kind of addressed in the audit. I think because our systems are not all necessarily easily connected and talking to each other, it does make drilling down to an exact number very challenging. And so at this point, we really don't have a credible way to have that kind of direct correlation. Yeah, it just seems to me that would be a lot of supposition, right? I mean, you'd be making an assumption if somebody's out on six months leave, you can't necessarily just assume strictly that they would've worked just a regular shift or every day during those six months. So these are both complicated issues. I just wanted to try to get a little bit more clarity on what we know versus what we don't know, and how we get to an overall better situation. So that's all I've got. Thanks, Chair. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Chair. Well, I think your point is that either one of two things occurs. Either we replace the individual or we forego the service, right? So let's take it out of police department, let's put it in CDOT and say we're missing a crew for medical reasons, so that means that we fill X number less of potholes. So if we were at a standard to say we want to fill 1,000 potholes a day, and we're missing a crew that takes our productivity down to 800, we got to make a decision. Either we're going to reach 1,000 by putting additional resources in, or we're not going to hit the service standard. So those are the trade-offs, and I think it's difficult to quantify that because we just don't have the data. Now, the fire department, I think is different because of its requirements. We always in other departments can just say, "You know what? We're just not going to do that particular function or provide that particular service at that level for the day." So there is a cost of that, which comes down to productivity, or it comes down to the extension of time to get something done. So it's just trying to quantify that. Now, the fire department to me is the easiest example because of minimum manning. Right. Other parts of it, we just don't know because we don't have the, I'll call it the benchmark data to say, "Hey, our standard is X, and we didn't meet the standard, and we are looking at why we did not meet that standard." And this could be a reason or could be other reasons, but- Yeah ... I just don't think we have the ability to drill down to that level of figuring. Agreed. I don't think that we have that, and the other thing that nobody's talked about today is just hiring, right? Someone mentioned earlier we're down 2,000 officers from- Well, that's a different issue. But hiring is a challenge, and I do believe that ultimately all of these processes have to be streamlined, have to come into modern day compliances. How do we get people to work and back to work in a more efficient manner? Then I think that's the overarching piece of the conversation. I think we just drilled in on this particular point because of the numbers in comparison to the department as a whole, and the fact that they have what I would deem to be liberal, but in some cases, necessary policies relating to their ability to be off work because they're not physically able to perform. So there are some other policy things that are outside of OPSA's control that may also need to be addressed as part of this overall conversation. But I think that we have to force and push the issue on utilizing our available means that do exist to get people back to work in a much quicker and a much more efficient manner. Now we address those issues, now we can go after the other stuff. But we haven't masteredJust within the confines that we do have of getting people to get back to work in an efficient and reasonable manner. Thank you. Any other questions? Vice Chair Robinson, you got anything? Okay. With that being said, I just think that from this aspect, this is something that's on our radar. I do believe that, as I was going through the report, we've got to fix what we can. And I know there's some things that are outside of your control as it relates to the policy, and those things will have to be addressed through collective bargaining and some other methods. But I do believe that some of the things that are within our control as a city, and then management's control, we've got to hone in a little more on that. So, we will see you back next quarter. Same bat time, same bat channel. That's right. And again, I don't mean to sound harsh on this, but I do know that we can and should be doing better in this category. And we're counting on you to drive the necessary components to make the change that this organization needs in order to achieve a greater level of efficiency around this issue. Because we don't know it, but we feel that it is a very costly issue. And anecdotally, when we see the numbers of the people that are out and not getting back in a more efficient manner, that just bothers us. We could be in left field on this, but anecdotally, maybe you'll tell us we're wrong, and I'm okay with that. I hope I'm wrong. But I don't feel that right now. But hopefully you'll get me there. So, all right. With that being said, Vice Chair, motion to adjourn? All right, move that we adjourn. All in favor, signify by saying "Aye." Any opposed? Any opinion of the chair's? Ayes have it, and we are adjourned at exactly 1:00.