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The meeting on public safety will come to order.
We will begin with a roll call vote to establish quorum.
Uh, chairman Hopkins, president Vice Chairman
Yancy Alderman Chico.
Present. Alderwoman Gutierrez. Alderman Lopez.
Alderman Curtis. Alderwoman. Ez.
Alderman Sancho Lopez. Alderwoman Fuentes. Alderman Farro.
Alderman Bedo. Next pos there. Alderman Vasquez.
Alderman Knutson should be stepping in momentarily.
Uh, alderman Gardner. Alderman Martin Alderwoman.
Minna Howorth. Alderwoman Hadden
and Alderwoman Silverstein.
Thank you. We have nine members present that, uh,
does establish a quorum.
Uh, we do have two rule 59 requests.
Uh, actually, alderman Silverstein was a Rule 59 request.
You still want that in case you need
to step up or you're good.
Okay. Uh, rule 59, request for Alderman Gardner.
Uh, can I get a motion?
So authorizing moved
by Vice Chair Yancy hearing No objections.
So ordered. Uh, we have a number of public speakers
and we have one item on the agenda today.
Uh, the Joint Cook County City task force
to address domestic violence against women.
Our first public speaker is Dennis White.
Good morning everybody. Um, here's a quick story
of Jessica.
Can you, can everybody hear me okay?
Uh, Jessica Jackson was a victim of a domestic violence case
of, against one of her family member.
And nobody have not spoke up
and charged the perpetrator of a domestic violence crime.
So the question is, when is her justice going
to be done here in the city and the county?
Now, public safety is supposed to be the safety
for the public, not for the criminals.
So if women are the victim of domestic violence,
then something should have been done immediately.
But you got these ridiculous law, like the Safety Act
that was passed through by JB Pritzker
and then Brandon Johnson defunding the police.
Then it's a recipe disaster front for women as well
during domestic violence.
Now, if they do a task for a, a task force, then so be it.
Do the task force. But the question is, when, uh,
when are the DDA going to be out for domestic violence?
Not only domestic violence, but crime itself.
So if Brandon Johnson say, crime is down,
which part of crime is down?
Is it, uh, property crime or violent crime?
'cause domestic violence is part of violent crime.
So not only the police are being defunded under budget,
under man and stuff,
but it is affecting not only white women,
but if I'm not trying to be racial,
but that justice will be done very swiftly.
But what about the black women here that's in this building
and in the city of Chicago?
So my recommendation is if the police,
if y'all don't change the laws here, hire more police,
then Mark suggested that the women need to arm themselves
because that will reduce the domestic violence race.
And that statistically it has worked.
So that's the thing about, about it.
So the blood that's been
on is on the city council hand.
Not only that, the blood is on the mayor's hand
because he allow it to happen.
First it started with life with,
now the torch has passed to Brandon Johnson.
So my suggestion to you all is do some more justice,
not only for Jessica Jackson who been violated
through domestic violence,
but all women here in the city of Chicago
and the state of Illinois do some justice and stuff and hire
and have Brandon Johnson to hire more police.
So it'll be left a mess of violence
and left crime throughout the city of Chicago.
Thank you.
The next speaker is Linda Aldo.
Good morning. I'd like to thank the committee
for allowing me to speak today.
Um, I am a retired deputy sergeant
with the Cook County Sheriff's Office,
where I devoted 25 years of service
to the residents of Cook County.
Thank you. Additionally, I held the position of, uh,
chief Deputy Clerk for the clerk
of the CI Circuit Court in Bridgeview for two years.
Furthermore, I am a survivor of domestic violence.
My 25 years of experience in serving the people
of Cook County has provided me with a profound understanding
of the processes involved
and have illuminated areas that require improvement,
not only in the offices where I have worked,
but in all facets related
to domestic violence within the court system.
When tragedy occurs, the instinct is often to assign blame
and point fingers which office failed,
who overlooked something.
These thoughts are counterproductive
because the real discussion should center on what went wrong
and how we can better support our victims.
No single office or agency can address this
issue in isolation.
It necessitates a collective shift in perspective.
This task force is not merely a good idea.
It is vital and has the potential to save lives.
We must encourage open communication and collaboration.
Challenging discussions need to occur.
We must carefully examine cases to determine
how we have failed the victims.
It is essential for all offices in Chicago Cook County
and law enforcement to come together
and engage in these difficult conversations regarding
what is failing victims
and to enact meaningful changes, policies, procedures,
technology used, and potentially even the law.
Women, men and children are losing their lives at the hands
of their abusers.
I was fortunate enough to escape my abuser
without further harm, despite his threats to kill me.
Others have not been as fortunate.
They live in constant fear,
always looking over their shoulders.
They seek assistance from law enforcement.
They enter our courts for help, and they're being let down.
The system is mere, is not me merely broken.
It is utterly shattered.
It is my hope that this task force is approved so
that the people who are passionate about putting in the work
that is so desperately needed can begin.
Thank you.
Uh, thank you. Please add Alderman Talia
farro to the roll call.
Uh, the next speaker is Diane Brown.
Good morning to the Honorable Brandon Johnson
and our Chicago City Council.
My name is Elder Diane Brown.
I am in support of creation
of Chicago Cook County task force
to reduce violence against women.
R 2 0 2 5 0 0 1 9 9 5 oh
that's being presented today.
That will establish an intergovernmental task force
that focus on domestic violence
and domestic relations court system process
that victims and family has endured during their journey,
finding res findings resolved in their circumstances.
Unfortunately, I'm aware
of the many broken processes
and related resources that has impacted families
like my own.
My grandson at the age of eight years old,
had witnessed a domestic violence dispute over
my daughters having to be in court in the court system
eight to nine years.
And we are still in the court with this case.
We must come together and fix this court system.
I am a mandated reporter for Chicago Public School.
I'm instructed every school year to take 10 to 15
safe school trainings that I must pass to be able
to care for my students.
On September 8th, 2025, Ramika Blackman, shortly
after dropping her 6-year-old son
at his school in the South Loop area, the father
and held her and his girlfriend shot Ms.
Blackman in the face that morning. Ms.
Blackman that morning had put a handwritten note in her
son's lunchbox that read.
Have a great day. I love you. Ms.
Blackman's mother is now raising her grandson, the shooter,
and the father has not been erased.
We must fix this system.
I beg of you once again, I would like
to thank the honorable Brendan Johnson
and our Chicago City Council for the Chicago
County Task Force.
Thank you so much.
Thank you. The next speaker is Sarah Brown.
Okay. All right. Good morning. Um, my name is Sarah Brown.
Um, thank you to the, um, senior members of City Council.
Um, I am a domestic violence survivor as well
as a domestic relations court system survivor.
I stand before you today as a passionate advocate
for the creation of an intergovernmental task force,
inspired by my personal journey
through an art nine year court battle for my son and myself.
Um, we are coming up on the first anniversary of my son
actually witnessing his father beating his girlfriend, uh,
on Thanksgiving, um, about two days ago.
Um, because again, as we are preparing for Thanksgiving,
like most of us are, my son is reminded about
what happened, right?
And so, um, the the continuous traumas, um,
that he will endure, um, for as long
as he can think about it or remember it.
Over the past nine years, I have faced challenges
that tested my resolve
and highlighted the gaps in our system.
Throughout this journey, I witnessed firsthand the impact
of policies on families, particularly those
who like mine felt marginalized and unheard.
My son, just nine years old,
is an innocent participant in this struggle.
He deserves a supportive environment where he needs our,
his needs are prioritized and his voice is amplified.
I beg of this council, um,
to not only pass the re resolution,
but follow it, hear the constituents
in your districts.
Um, because this is happening, it's happening more
and more and more.
Um, um, this task force represents a crucial step towards
collaboration among various governmental entities,
allowing us to share resources, knowledge,
and efforts to better serve families in our community.
By working together, we can address the systematic issues
and con, uh, contribute to prolonged court proceedings
and create a more efficient
and supportive framework for families.
Together we can develop solutions that not only advocate
for justice, but also foster understanding, compassion,
collaboration among stakeholders.
This is not a political decision.
I don't care where anyone stands.
Um, just having some, um,
some real conversation this morning, even
before I came up to this mic.
This is a conversation we all should be having
because it's affecting us all.
I urge you to support the resolution
for the intergovernmental task force.
Let us collectively strive to create a system
that not only protects the rights of individuals,
but also uplifts the entire community.
Thank you for considering the importance of this initiative.
Uh, the next speaker is Patricia Puente.
Thank you for having me here. Um, I have a question.
The same thing happened to me,
but unfortunately I fight noise ordinance
and, uh, the people that I was arguing with,
they started harassing me and pushing me.
I didn't, I didn't put up with that. I deserve my respect.
I'm an elderly. And not only that,
but what I hate about when they start saying,
we know politicians in city hall.
We know law enforcements, we could put you in jail.
We could put you in a mental institute.
That's what I hate when they don't have the pants enough
to not lie.
That's the first thing that these two men did.
They lied to the law enforcement
because they know politicians.
They know Angie Guerrero, they know Lopez.
They know what Hispanic politicians is that
what we want in other Mexico here
where the womens are abused.
No, we don't. And thank God for ice.
Uh, the reason too that I'm here is
because of the city waters.
Um, I was informed that Tijuana is stumping trash
to pollute the, uh, California waters and whatever.
I noticed it, and I brought it to Lopez, alderman Lopez.
And this is what he said, nobody's gonna help you.
He's a man. You know, he's Hispanic,
but, um, they're dumping wa uh, trash water.
And they, you could, I show, I gave him a picture.
I gave Ramirez a picture, uh, trash water.
They're intoxicating our water. Why?
Because this is what an Hispanic told me.
This is not our country. We don't care.
But then I said, wait, but what do you mean?
This is not your country. You're getting benefits.
You're getting this. Hey, it's not our problem.
If the Americans are the dumb ones giving us all these
monies, we're going to take it.
Are you kidding me? Please?
These waters, they're dumping trash.
I gave Lopez a picture, Ramirez a picture,
and I could give you guys later on a picture of
where they're dumping, uh, mattresses.
They're intoxicating.
Our water on the orange line,
uh, midway station.
And, um, God bless the United States of America.
Please, let's work together. Thank you.
Next speaker is George Blakemore.
Ms. Coleman, you've been around you representing the city,
the Human Rights Commission.
That's where I know your face from.
And now you go right on the other side and it is the county.
And you all going to have a task force.
I was brought up down south. And these women will fight.
These men go lie on them.
And they also had family support.
These brothers would beat 'em.
And, and if, if the girl got pregnant,
sometimes they had shotgun weddings, a family affair.
Have you ever thought about that? Do you have a uncle?
Do you have a a a brother? Do you have a man in your life?
But, uh, I love Facebook,
but uh, I'm getting too old for dealing with Facebook.
Somebody called in and say, Mr.
Blakemore, my husband beat me up, uh, three times
and send me to the, to the county.
And she went back. It was something wrong with her. What?
It was something wrong with her.
She had a mental problem.
Maybe some of these women have mental problem
and they don't have support from family.
Have you ever thought about that?
Task force can help you, your brother, your uncle,
your nephew, some male strong male male in your life.
I'm going to be very brief.
I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be very brief.
This lady, uh, went to her father-in-law
and she told her father-in-law, uh, your son, uh, uh,
every time he get his check on Friday, he,
he'd go out and spend it.
The father, uh, her father-in-law, uh, the father went
to his son and beat him.
Beat him. So you better carry that money home to your wife.
So I'm making it very simple. It's a mental problem.
That woman kept going right back to that man.
It is a family affair. Try that.
Try and, and women down there was, was Beone.
Freaking Johnny was Sweetheart. What did Frank do to him?
He was doing her wrong. She shot him three or four times.
She killed him. So you women got to be super ladies
and no task force, no police came.
You got to be a super mother, a super lady.
And that task force is not the answer.
You are the answer. Winning.
Don't teach this mf how to treat you.
If he don't know how, show him
better than you can tell him now.
This is why Mr. Blakemore is giving you facts of life.
Thank you.
Uh, please add Alderman Vasquez to the quorum Roll call.
Uh, the next speaker is Carmen Navarro Garcia.
Uh, where,
Good morning. And thank you.
For 30 years,
I have dedicated my life to public service.
Over 25 of those years have been spent working directly
with survivors of domestic violence, bearing witness
to courage, resilience, and heartbreaking loss.
I stand here today, not just as a supporter,
but as someone who has literally held victims in her arms.
There are tears of testament to the failure
of the very systems designed to protect them.
The trauma survivors experience is profound,
but what often breaks them is the confusing
hostile obstacle course.
We force them to run just to achieve safety.
The frustration begins the moment they call for help.
Victims struggle to understand local law enforcement's role.
When officers respond to a call,
when they finally find the courage to go to court
for an order of protection,
we hand them a daunting 30 page packet.
And even after navigating that bureaucratic nightmare,
they're forced to return over and over again
because the order was never properly served on their abuser.
The emotional and financial toll is immense.
Many victims share children with their abusers.
They're often trapped without the fundamental resources,
housing, counseling, therapy,
or financial support to keep themselves
and their children safe as they flee.
And we must also recognize the unique profound fear felt
by our immigrant neighbors.
Cia.
In just the last year, I have met with dozens of survivors
who have struggled to make sense
of the system that failed them.
Some have seen their children used as a tool
for continued torment.
Others have endured the ult ultimate unthinkable tragedy.
They have had their children murdered by their abusers.
They have lost siblings, family and stability.
I'm here to speak on behalf of the victims
who could not make it here today,
whose lives are too unstable
or whose voices are too strained by grief to testify.
They have a fragile, hard won faith that you,
their leaders want to keep them safe
and hold their abusers accountable.
They have hope that although this system has caused them a
tremendous amount of loss
and pain, you will support this resolution.
Support it so that we can close this dangerous information
gap, support it so that law enforcement can act
with the information they need the moment they arrive.
Support it so that no other family has to suffer simply
because our justice and safety systems ref refuse.
Thank you for your powerful testimony.
That concludes our pre-registered speakers.
Uh, are there any other domestic violence survivors here
that did wish to testify who were unable to preregister?
Okay. Seeing none will
proceed to the business of the committee.
Please add Alderman Knutson, uh, to the attendance roll call
for purposes of quorum.
Uh, the first item on the agenda is approval
of the Rule 45 reports.
We have two rule 45 reports, one from the month of July,
one from the month of September.
Uh, do we have a motion to approve both reports?
Move, uh, moved by Alderman Vasquez. Hearing No objections.
So ordered. Uh, next we do have a substitute, uh, resolution
before us for resolution 1 9 9 5 0.
Uh, Alderwoman Tovaris will present the substitute, uh,
and then submit the appropriate motion.
Alderwoman?
Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Chairman Hopkins.
And, and members of the committee, the substitute.
We worked with the administration.
It just cleans up some language.
And I ask for, um, members of the committee
for their vote to accept. Okay.
Alderwoman Tamaras moves to substitute,
uh, hearing no objections.
So ordered. Uh, here to present the substance of the, uh,
substitute resolution.
Creating the task force is Katie Dunn. Ms. Dunn.
Hi. Thank you Chairman. Um,
I think we might be having some technical issues,
so hopefully everybody has their, uh,
packet in front of them.
Um, so just to begin, my name's Katie Dunn.
Oh, it's my brother.
I don't know what, uh, the,
my idea, it's my background, but the thing's not coming up.
Yeah. Well, we'll just stick with the plan.
Um, so, um, just to begin, uh, thank you Chairman Hopkins.
Thank you to all the survivors that spoke today.
Um, and, uh, truly thank you
to Aldi Men Tamaris for leading this issue.
Al the Tobar and I met about a year and a half ago.
Um, and she, um, has been trailblazing behind the scenes,
um, and trying to help us fix this system.
This is a culmination of a lot of different conversations.
Um, off the record, conversations with city
and county leaders and state leaders,
and then also, um, with dozens, um, of,
of victims and survivors.
Um, just for this conversation, um, survivors is the term
that's used most, um, mostly in, in this sphere,
but a lot of people do not feel like they have survived the
system that we spoke to.
Um, so we we're, we're gonna use both terminology.
Um, I also wanna thank Rocio Jack
and Ro, um, from Alman Bar's office
for all their patients and help as well.
Um, the four, there's 46 aldermans who,
uh, who have signed on.
So thank you for some of you, uh,
who've already signed on for your support.
Um, and then also we have, uh, county partners, uh,
commissioner Miller, Nan Gainor,
and Anaya, uh,
who have been working on the county side on this issue.
So we just wanna thank everybody for, um, their efforts.
Um, we're here to propose the resolution for the city
of Chicago, cook County Violence Against Women Task Force,
um, and our jurisdictions.
The lack of data sharing
and collaboration between government agencies and the laws
and policies that actually prevent these partnerships
have impeded efforts to reduce violent crime
and protect victims of violence.
The City of Chicago,
cook County Violence Against Women Task Force will formulate
a comprehensive whole of government approach
to address the public safety
crisis impacting all of our communities.
Um, so just to give a little bit of a, a glimpse of some
of the data, um, in the city of Chicago, as of this morning,
homicides and domestic cases are up 27%.
And fatal shootings and domestic cases are up 47%.
Uh, this is after a record breaking year, um, in 2024.
And also in 2023.
All 50 wards have experienced domestic
related violent crimes.
This year, uh, the Office of the Spectra General
of Chicago reports that as of the end of October,
there were over 104,000 domestic related calls to 9 1 1.
And that, uh, is 26%
or one in four of all priority level one calls.
That is an average of 335 domestic related
priority level one calls per day in the city of Chicago
per capita, the state of Illinois has a higher
domestic murder rate than the states of New York
and California combined.
Similarly, the city
of Chicago has a higher per capita murder rate than Los
Angeles County and New York City combined.
Um, so these are just some of the snapshots.
Um, the first picture looks somewhat like a,
a kindergartner picture.
Sadly, these dots represent violent crime victimizations,
and it should show that pretty much it covers every single
block of the city of Chicago.
Um, the second part of this is a graph, um,
that breaks down the race and ethnicity by fatal
and non-fatal shooting.
As you could see, 74% of victims are African American,
and just under just about 17% are Hispanic and Latino.
Um, so we know that this disproportionately impacts
communities, minority communities.
Um, the third snapshot,
and this is really important, uh, it looks like this.
Um, and just to explain it, um, it shows the fatal,
non-fatal, uh, shootings by time of day in domestic cases.
So as you could see, pretty much from 6:00 PM to six,
7:00 AM are where the majority of fatal
and non-fatal shootings occur.
Um, this just, um, to give you a little bit
of a background, what that means.
It truly means that the first responders of the city
of Chicago are the front lines in about two out
of the three shifts a day.
Um, there are a lot of amazing providers in the community,
some that are 24 7,
but for the most part, some of these really, um,
horrific incidents happen, uh, in the middle of the night,
most notably at 2:00 AM.
Um, so the three main, um, mission statements
of the Violence against Women task force is
to reduce violent crime, um, and truly all violent crime.
'cause if once we fix this system
and start these data sharing agreements,
and these collaborations amend these legislative items
that are precluding, uh, partnerships at the time,
all violent crimes will actually be impacted in,
in a really positive way.
Um, the second priority is to improve first responder,
um, safety and wellness.
Um, we've seen multiple tragedies, um, line of duties, um,
and also, um, severe injuries when first responders
of Chicago are responding to domestic calls.
Um, in addition, overall wellness.
These are calls that really take a deep impact on people.
Um, we work a lot with first responders,
and this is something that comes up over time
and time again in terms of mental wellness.
Um, and third is to create a unified, uh, united system
that protects women, children,
all vulnerable community members, uh, primary focus areas,
uh, transparency and accountability.
Unlike the City of Chicago, uh,
transparency is still an issue on the Cook County side.
Um, the entire court systems are not subject to foia,
the Freedom of Information Act.
Um, and so some of the largest, uh, pretrial
and probationary programs in the country, juvenile programs,
um, are not subject to any form of transparency.
So that's something that we definitely need to fix
if we wanna build accountability
and also just trust in these systems.
Um, data sharing and record access.
Most domestic related cases fall in civil court.
So orders of protection are civil court matters.
Domestic relations case parentage, um, custody cases
where a lot of victims, unfortunately, when,
as Carmen mentioned, share children with their abusers.
Their cases are on the domestic civil side.
Currently, the Chicago Police Department, the city
of Chicago and all local jurisdictions, um,
do not have access to the civil court system.
Um, and that's by, um, a law
that obviously needs to be amended.
Um, so what does that mean?
That means when some, when a Chicago police officer, um,
may run into somebody
and an order protection pops into their law enforcement
database, they have none of the information.
They don't know that the victim, um,
described mental illness or firearms
or, um, any of the background.
Also in investigations,
and this seems to really kind of blow people's minds,
but the Chicago Police Department does not have access
to all the orders of protection that had been filed.
Um, so for missing women, for injured women, um,
and I'm saying women, 'cause that's the, the lion's share
of all victimizations, um, is, um,
the Chicago Police Department
by law cannot have access to the full case files.
Um, so by fixing the data sharing
and the record access will not only improve safety
throughout our communities, um,
but also the ability to close cases
and properly, um, uh, help victims of crime
community re community relations and trust building.
Um, the trust is completely broken down
with communities across Cook County.
Everyone we talked to has had a terrible incident, um,
either on the county or the city side.
Um, by fixing the system, we're hoping
to rebuild that trust.
So there's a few, uh, key deliverables.
Um, and then truly the, the goals, um, are
to improve the rate of service.
Right now, if someone goes in
and gets an order of protection, um,
much more often than not, it's never served.
Um, which pretty much, uh, means that it's useless in terms
of, uh, enforcing any of the, the, uh, the remedies
that the judge ordered.
Um, the Chicago Police Department only supervisors right now
can, um, uh, serve orders of protection.
Um, there's very limited information and training.
Um, there's illegal firearms across the city of Chicago.
We know that. Um,
but, um, there is also over about 80,000 illegal foya cards
from domestic cases that have never been surrendered
and where there's never been a, uh,
law enforcement response.
Um, so one of the things we wanted to do is improve firearm
violence and increase firearm retrievals
and illegal, uh, uh, Floyd Card cases.
Um, I've already mentioned the legislative agenda.
We also need a data sharing strategy, um,
to remove barriers, um,
and provide transparency to the public.
Uh, one of those ways is
what we've discussed is a data dashboard similar
to the violence reduction dashboard, uh,
to provide accountability, assist with grant acquisition
to community partners and rebuild community trust.
Um, the timeline is to begin as soon as possible.
There's a sense of urgency.
We'd like to begin in December of 2025. Um, so next month.
And that will be a monthly executive leadership meeting
with county and city leaders of all the departments.
And then, um, separate City of Chicago
and Cook County Working Groups.
Um, throughout this process, we'll be, um, drafting
of Violence Against Women Report, um,
which will be presented in July in a public forum in both
the City council and the Cook County Board of Commissioners.
Um, uh, I have a, a message from many
of you may remember the case of Jaden Perkins,
the 11-year-old, um, boy from Chicago,
who was murdered last year, um,
while trying to protect his mother.
Um, Jaden's case is a perfect example
of the system breaking down, sadly,
in every single component on the city,
the county, and the state.
Um, every single checks
and balances went wrong in that case.
Um, his mother is part of our, our, our group.
We have a group of survivors that have been working with us
and will continue to provide input.
Um, but today she has a special message for all of you.
So I'll conclude with the, um, message from Latia Smith.
I thought I was doing everything right
to protect myself and my family.
I cried out multiple times
to law enforcement to try and help.
I was denied an order of protection.
I was offered no help at the courthouse,
and I left feeling helpless.
I was not notified when my abuser was up for parole
or when he was released.
I had begged them to keep a violent man
from hurting my family.
The system failed. My son was murdered in his own home
where he was supposed to feel safe trying to protect me.
As Jayden's mother, I will use my voice, not only
for my son, but for other families going through the system.
It should not take another life to be lost,
for something to be done.
I'm asking leaders to vote for this task force
and to work together to fix this broken system.
Um, with that, I can answer any questions. Thank
You, Ms. Dunn.
Uh, please add Alderwoman Fuentes
and Alderman Curtis to the attendance roll call for purposes
of Quorum Alderwoman Teez.
Thank you Chairman Hopkins and,
and members of the committee.
I want to thank Katie Dunn
for presenting your presentation today.
Thank you for all of your hard work.
And I also want to thank the speakers who are here today
who gave public comment.
Carmen Navarro Jone, Sarah Brown, Diane Brown.
And we also have Linda, Linda, Linda Aldo, who came in today
to give public comment.
I want to just briefly say that,
as you've heard this morning, we are experiencing a crisis,
and it's our responsibility as legislators
and leaders in government to ensure
that our systems are working in the best
interest of the residents.
This task force is about government fixing,
government working
to ensure systemic failures are not costing
lives, but saving them.
I wanna note that as overall crime
in our city trends downward domestic violence stands out
as a deepening crisis against the broader
decline in homicides.
The number of domestic related killings continues
to rise year after year.
Claiming mothers, daughters, sisters,
and partners in homes that should be places of safety.
These are not random acts of violence.
They are preventable tragedy tragedies
that follow patterns we already know too well.
What stands between too many victims
and real protection is not a lack of laws,
but a broken bureaucratic maze that confuses delays
and ultimately fails the people who need help the most.
A survivor calling 9 1 1 needs more than a police report.
She needs an order of protection served quickly.
A court date that actually happens, a prosecutor who follows
through an enforcement that keeps the abuser away.
Right now, that chain breaks far too often.
Paperwork gets lost between agencies,
court backlogs, stretch for months.
High risk offenders are released
without adequate monitoring.
And victims are left
to navigate a dozen different departments alone.
Every delay, every handoff,
every outdated form is another chance
for a dangerous person to strike.
Again. This task force seeks to change that
by bringing together every city department
with a role to play.
We will map every step a survivor takes, find
where the system fails her and fixes.
We will review how order of protections are issued
and served, analyze timelines for prosecutions,
and look to how we can share data in real time across
agencies to make sure no victim falls through the cracks.
Because one office didn't talk to another.
I'm proud to announce that the Chicago Co I'm proud
to announce that the Cook County Board
of Commissioners is scheduled
to pass a sister resolution at their very next meeting,
formally committing Cook County government
to full participation.
This is not just a city initiative,
it is a true city county partnership.
Locking arms so that no survivor is bounced
between jurisdictions while her abuser walks free.
You've heard directly from the experts today as well
as survivors and family of survivors
regarding the task force, clear need and its mission.
Because when the process works, lives are saved
when it doesn't, we read another name in
the paper the next morning.
This is about accountability for offenders
who believe they can hurt the people closest
to them without consequence.
And for a government that has promised protection,
but too often delivers paperwork, instead,
I urge the committee to pass this resolution
and create the task force today
with Cook County standing shoulder to shoulder with us
and with the exports you are about
to hear from lighting the path forward,
we have a once in generation chance to build a system
that finally puts victims first and delivers the safety
and justice our residents deserve.
Passing this resolution today is not just another vote,
it is the first real step toward fixing the maze
that fails victims when they need us most.
With Cook County passing their sister resolution,
every agency will have the opportunity
to be at the same table, held to the same timeline,
and accountable for the same results.
We cannot wait another year, another month,
or for another headline.
I ask the members of this committee for their yes vote.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you. Alderwoman Tabba.
Uh, there's little doubt that the, uh, systemic reforms
that will be the ultimate work product
of this joint task force,
if implemented, uh, will save lives.
Uh, that's the importance of the work we're doing today.
So thank you for bringing it to us.
Uh, are there any questions, uh,
for Ms. Dunn from the committee?
Alderman Curtis.
Thank you Chair. I, I would just like to,
um, to make a statement.
I want to thank, uh, my colleague, autumn Tabba,
uh, bringing this forward.
Uh, I think this is very important
because, uh, I also have in my community, uh, uh,
domestic violence committee.
And, and I would love to get them even involved
with this task force.
Uh, for so many times, uh, we've seen, uh, on the news,
uh, all over, uh, not just Chicago Cook County,
but all over the state of Illinois, where, um, you know,
like she said, hits the headlines, uh, uh,
and by that time, it's too late
when the offender is already on paper
for the exact same thing.
Um, I, I've seen, uh, this committee that
that's was formed in my community.
They meet, uh, they, they talk to, uh, schools.
Uh, they have meetings at our park district.
The problem is, is that there's a lot of women
that are afraid to even come to the meetings.
They're afraid to come to the meetings.
Uh, I don't know how, uh, serious, uh,
Illinois leaders take this.
Uh, but, uh, I know one issue
that they definitely have is trying to raise money
for awareness or, or to help protect someone
or to keep someone safe.
They've applied for grants and, and, uh, if that failed.
Uh, so we try to do what all we can.
But again, I think that once it gets to
the courts, they need to do a little bit more.
So, uh, I'm standing in support
of this resolution. Thank you, chairman.
Thank you. Uh, alderman Curtis,
please add Alderman Cicio Lopez to the attendance roll call
for purposes of Quorum.
Uh, that, uh, brings us to 15 members,
almost a full, uh, committee hearing.
So let the record reflect
that a little lake effect snow does not stop this committee.
And, uh, Chicagoans show up where they're supposed to be.
Alderman Vasquez, uh,
Thank you Chair. Uh,
Thank you so much.
Um, oh, thank you actually, much appreciated.
Uh, thank you for the work that you're, you're doing.
Um, in looking at kind of the packet, um,
I try not to think about it a lot, but, um, Jayden Perkins
and La Terry Smith were 40th ward neighbors lived
about two blocks away from me.
Um, there's a reason why women are
afraid to go places
'cause they don't feel like there's enough protections in
place when they do.
Uh, in this particular instance, we had gotten the word and,
and done a little bit of the homework,
and I found out that some
of the judges aren't taking the orders
of protection seriously.
That because their experience might not be one
where they've been victims of domestic violence.
They don't necessarily understand really
how dangerous it can be
to not take it seriously and dismiss it.
And so, um, I'm,
I'm appreciative of that, of the task force.
I think in our own office, uh, my chief
of staff catch Sharp had a push us to make sure
that we were holding the judge to account
and actually had to move him from domestic violence over
to traffic court because the judges sometimes come into
domestic violence first, which is horrifying to think about
because the level experience one would need
to really be a judge in those scenarios.
And so, I, my first question was related to that, right?
The task force is gonna look a lot of different things.
How do you all look as far as
the judicial sys judicial system itself
and how that works out?
'cause I just don't believe it makes any sense
to have a judge start in domestic violence
and just wanted to get your thoughts on it.
Um, uh, thank you for that question.
So last summer we held a hearing on the county side, mostly,
um, focused on domestic relations court, which is where, um,
where Sarah's cases
and the, the majority of victims,
their cases get transferred
because they have children with a abuser.
So you come into domestic violence court,
you might get an order of protection if you have any kind
of parentage case, divorce case, your co, uh, case gets sent
to domestic relations and all services get cut off.
So we were bringing this forth
to the commissioners last summer.
And I'll just be honest,
because, uh, the judges are state employees,
we've been hitting a brick wall.
Hmm. Um, and so the other issues,
what I mentioned is the courts are not subject
to the Freedom of Information Act.
So, um, we get a lot of whistleblowers
that call us about cases, um,
and we have to rely on the input
of survivors to tell us what happened.
We can't even access, there's no court recorders,
there's no court reporters, uh, recordings, reporters.
Um, so the entire system on the county side, um,
is really set up to protect the judges
and not the victims that are walking in.
Um, and so we have a lot of work to do on the county side.
There's a new, um, chief judge that's starting December 1st,
and we've been in discussions with him.
Um, he's, he seems to have, um, a, a very,
very big reform agenda.
So we're gonna be working hand in glove
with him on that issue.
Judges should not be starting in domestic violence court.
Um,
It's crazy that you even have to say that
as a sentence. I just wanna say that.
Well, and, and you know, just in the era of transparency,
if you say judges need training, then you know, there,
there's, you have a right, uh, roadblocks to that
and everyone else in the system gets training.
Um, so I, what, that's one of the asks
that we have on the county side is
to look at building a judicial training that really, um,
that really looks at the system start to finish.
But also you have all of these suburban courthouses
and courthouses where a victim can come in,
in a later court call.
So it's, they, they don't necessarily have to go
to domestic violence court.
So really it has to be system wide where every judge gets
that because any judge could be
assigned to that later court call.
And what we're seeing is those later court calls are the
court calls that have the most issues.
Yeah. Where the orders are not enforceable.
They can't go in leads, they're missing information, um,
because no one has that, the adequate terrain,
um, to handle those cases.
So, um, it's gonna be a heavy lift on the county
side, and we would love your help.
Uh, yeah, you have it.
Uh, what, what would be great would be two things.
You mentioned that the judges being
state employees, they're just state.
You've got thi work that needs to be done there, I think
through the chair, letting us know
what that work looks like.
So we're talking to our state partners would
be absolutely helpful to us.
Um, yeah, you mentioned it this time and
before about, uh, the courts not being able to be foy.
Is that exclusive to Cook County?
Is it something you're seeing
different compared to other ones?
What does right look like and how far away are we from it?
So, um, the Freedom of Information Act, um,
there was a carve out for the courts when
that bill passed or when that law passed.
Um, because at the time,
the pushback was the courts were still paper-based
and it'd be too cumbersome to answer FOIA requests.
That is no longer the case.
So that does not stand up anymore.
And in addition to the courts, the office
of the chief judge is over the entire juvenile justice
system, the probation office of probation
that has 20 plus thousand, uh, participants pretrial now,
where we, where most people are released, pretrial, um,
they oversee the pretrial services
and also now the GPS program,
the electronic monitoring program,
specifically the domestic violence GPS program, um, none of
that is subject to foia.
So when you're trying to build a case
or dissect a case, it's, it's, you're,
it's really difficult, especially for members of the media.
And that's why you'll see woman found dead.
You'll never see that she had filed an order of protection.
You'll never see that she had seven orders of protection.
Mm-hmm. They can FOIA the City of Chicago
and get 9 1 1 calls.
And, you know, your government is
so transparent on the county side, you won't get that.
Even the police officer assigned to
that murder case cannot get that information.
So we really would love your help,
and that's gonna be a big effort in January, hopefully.
I appreciate you say, I'll modify that statement.
We have a lot more transparency
to go here in the city of Chicago.
We may be doing better than Cook County,
but we got some work here as well.
Yes. Um, no, but I, I do appreciate that.
I think similarly letting us know kind of how to talk
to our county partners about what changes we made.
I also, um, am optimistic that with, uh, uh, chief Judge,
uh, beach coming in, that there's an opportunity to really
emphasize the priority of that kind of transparency, as well
as making sure victims of domestic violence, um,
get the support they need as well as our juvenile system.
I think, um, often we don't identify
as victims of domestic violence.
We think we grow up certain ways,
and that's the way you're supposed to grow up.
And I think having the kind of support systems in place
that allow victims to feel comfortable enough
to tell their story is important
and letting 'em know that they're protected.
And so anything that we can do at the city level
as partners at Chicagoans as neighbors,
we're more than willing to do
and look forward to helping out.
Thank you very much. Thank Sharon. Thank you.
Alderwoman Silverstein, followed
By Alderwoman Fuentes.
Thank you, chairman. Um, I just wanted to say thank you
to my colleague, alderman Debars, for bringing this to us.
This is such an important issue,
and I, um,
you have my 100 plus support on this.
This is so, so crucial.
But I also just wanted to, um, give a thanks
to the wonderful women who came here today to testify.
It was clear that that was very difficult for you.
And I just wanna say thank you
for your courage and your bravery.
Thank you,
Fuentes.
Thank you Chairman. Uh,
I also wanna commend all the person tabs for
bringing this to the body.
If I'm, if I'm not already a signed
sponsor, I would like to be added.
Look, my, my little sister is a survivor
of domestic violence, and the system failed her many times.
Uh, you know, in many instances she was told if she would
just behave, maybe he wouldn't be so mad,
or can't she go home
and agree with the father of her child so
that this wouldn't be another case stacked up in the court
that a judge has to deal with.
Um, and because of those interactions,
and I wouldn't call them mistakes, they, it's quite criminal
what some of these folks are doing to women
and men in this process.
It could have cost her her life.
And I think that we need to take very seriously
what it means to protect individuals from domestic violence.
I think we need to take very seriously holding folks
accountable, uh, who sit on the bench,
who do not take this seriously.
And there needs to be some serious system changes in order
to protect individuals in our communities.
I also want us to understand that we have to double down
and investing in resources so that people are protected
and that they feel safe in reporting.
There are many instances where my sister
and many other relatives just would not report
because they did not feel safe if they would report
that there wouldn't be, uh, retaliation, uh,
and that they could be protected from that retaliation.
Uh, and so I, you know, this is also personal for me,
and I stand firm in my commitment, uh, not just
to support the task force,
but every other investment that's needed, uh, so
that we don't have to, uh, bury loved ones, uh,
at the fault of a broken system.
Thank you, alderman Lopez.
Thank you chairman, and good morning
members of the committee.
Good morning to all of our guests
and to all of those who spoke today.
Uh, I too, uh, join my colleagues in
thanking Alderman to bars
for bringing this to our attention.
You know, sadly, the Southwest side has had some
of the most tragic instances of domestic violence.
We saw where Adriana Lopez was gunned down by her
boyfriend while having a order of protection.
We've seen where we've had a push
and fight with legislators to sign Corina's Law,
which basically says that if you are
involved in domestic violence and have a FO card,
your FO card should be revoked.
That should not be something that we have to fight to do.
And personally, to the, to the speakers,
to the survivors here
and to the survivors listening, you know,
my mother was a victim of domestic violence.
Every time we have these conversations,
it's always very difficult
because as you know, once you start talking about
what you live with, you start remembering everything
that you lived with and all
of its horribleness.
And it's easy to always overlook the fact
that when you are in that situation,
you have almost zero options that you're dealing with.
To think that you could just call the police
and expect some resolution never quite happens.
We've now exposed with the need for this task force
for judicial reform
and county reform, which I think is absolutely crucial.
And I hope that as we continue forward with this in,
with this effort, that we also look at the not-for-profit
help and support network that may
or may not exist in communities.
Because part of the reason my mother was in a, in a
abusive relationship
and didn't leave is 'cause she had nowhere to go.
And where she was sent was not culturally relevant to
where she needed to get help.
So she stayed with someone who was abusive, she stayed
with someone who was mentally ill, she stayed
with somebody who was bad.
And I have to pause so that I don't use bad other words
that I'll get poked for later.
Um, but I know exactly what that's like
as I'm sure all of you do as well.
So I think our mission is to make sure that we have all
of our colleagues join on, that we push forward.
And I think that politically too, we can't be afraid to use
what we have available to us to get people to understand
how serious this is.
And I'll say this quite plainly to those individuals
who suffer from Rob, who think that
that black gown somehow makes them holier than thou,
and that they know everything better than the rest of us.
Every election we decide whether we keep them or not.
And I say, to hell with them, start voting no.
When they wanna be retained, say no,
because the moment they realize
that their job's on the line,
then they're gonna start paying attention to the women
who are being abused, neglected,
and are falling through the cracks
of a multi-billion dollar system
that should be protecting them.
This is just step one of a longer journey,
and I'm glad all of you are here
and have never given up on bringing this to this point,
not allowing any to dilute
or change our vision for what this was meant to be.
Because domestic violence
and the assault on women must come to an end.
Thank you,
Alderman Chico.
Thank you, chair. And I too want to
thank Alder Woman Tobar for her leadership in this issue.
As a Chicago police officer who has been on the scene
of hundreds of domestic violence, um,
incidents, I think the most difficult thing for me
and some of my colleagues on the police department was going
to the same house over and over and over again,
and getting that call to that address where we knew
what the issue was, and then going there
and speaking to the victim, knowing that she felt trapped
and in a place where she couldn't go anywhere.
So I look forward to this task force.
I look forward to the resources that will be put into this
because, um, it's, it's much needed.
Somebody who saw it on a day-to-day basis,
a domestic violence call is one of the most dangerous
calls you could possibly get as a police officer.
And to see us giving this attention.
Um, I appreciate it
and I look forward to everything
that will come from this work.
Thank you.
Alderwoman. Minna Haworth.
Thank you Chair. I
also wanna commend Alderwoman
Tamaras for this work.
It's very important work.
Um, Jayden Perkins was a student in the Forti eighth ward at
Pierce and also at Gus Dance School.
And so I'm, I love these pictures that you shared in your
presentation, and I hate that you had
to share these pictures of Jayden in your presentation.
I also hate that we have to create a task force
that is survivor led
because we are asking people to, uh,
tell their stories over and over again.
And so I just want to ensure
that this is going to be successful.
And, um, and I'm here if you need anything.
Um, I thank you for, um, alter
Chico for sharing stories about serial abusers.
Um, and this is really what we need to do.
We need to, to end the madness and to fix the system.
And I, I think of Terria
and how she was denied an order of protection.
Um, she did everything right.
And that's what I just can't get over about
that story and so many others.
So I, I'm really grateful.
I I had one question
because I have a ward that's, that's very diverse,
including lgbtq plus community
and many transgender women.
And so I just want to understand
if this is going to be exclusive
or how inclusive is this work
that you're gonna do moving forward?
Um, I'm, I'm not sure if this is on.
Sorry, can you hear me? Um, we're including everybody.
Um, the, like I said, um, explained, it's,
it's a really complicated issue when, when you're trying
to say violence against women, um,
because 90 plus percent of the cases are women, you know,
so sometimes, um, there's a lot of terminology
that quite frankly confuses the
people that we're trying to serve.
Um, so this is inclusive of everybody.
We included vulnerable communities.
There's been other task force, um, for different,
like, specific groups.
We're considering all of those findings, both previous
and concurrent task forces.
Um, we found some good ideas from a task
force from 12 years ago.
So we're, we're really going
through a deep dive into all of that.
But this will be inclusive of all communities.
Thank you. And, and to be clear, trans women are women.
Yes. So I want that to be understood as well in any Yeah,
No, we have some survivors that are trans women
that have been part of this process.
So we're, uh, we're just, like I said, it's a survivor led.
Um, and so we're, we're, we've tried to talk to
as many people as possible.
Um, and so we, we consider it says violence against women.
I think in the, um, resolution also
says vulnerable communities.
Thank you. The other thing about, um, the death
of Jaden Perkins and,
and, um, the stories that Latia, um, brought forward
and also what, um, alter Vasquez brings up is
that there's a lack of training in the judicial system,
which is just wild to me.
You know, we as employees of the city have
to go through that kind of training.
Sure. And so it's a bit shameful that we've come
to this point, but I'm glad
that we're moving forward to,
to fix it. So thank you for your work.
Yes. And just to be clear, 'cause I'll probably get a text
or two about this, there's judges
that are begging for training.
So I, I, you know, it's, it's hard to get it implemented
through the state and through all the processes
and protocols, but most judges would prefer to,
to receive this training.
And so we're looking forward
to working with them to do that.
Thank you. And then I, I have one more question.
We're working with the state and the county in partnership,
but was there talk about incorporating,
um, county and city.
Do, are you gonna be working with the state as well?
So we have state partners that are gonna be joining us.
Um, just to get this resolution
through the state would've slowed us down.
So we have some honorary members, some honorary legislators,
um, the secretary, uh, state, we've, we've discussed
because one of the major issues with orders
of protection is if the birth date is wrong,
then it can't be inputted,
which basically makes it obsolete.
So, um, the Secretary of State has, um, agreed to help us
with, with birth dates and, and trying to remedy that issue.
Um, the Illinois State Police oversee the lead system,
which is the law enforcement data base, um, where all orders
of protection theoretically should be entered into.
Um, so they could be enforced.
So the state police is gonna be invited,
parole will be invited, um,
and any other state partners that make sense.
But probably the most specific concern is the legislative
issues that are pretty pervasive throughout different pieces
of legislation that preclude partnerships
and communication and collaboration.
Um, so probably priority number one is legislative partners
and then getting through to the different state agencies.
Thank you. And then, um, I guess one more question.
Do you have plans to create, you,
you talked about transparency.
Do you have plans to create a, a public website or dashboard
or something that you can show your work on the kind of data
that you're collecting to move us
Forward? Yeah, so
the report will be, um, uh, introduced with, uh,
both the city council and the Cook County Board
of Commissioners next July.
Um, but also one of the, um, priorities that we, that
as mentioned is a public facing dashboard.
'cause one of the issues, and Derman Curtis mentioned,
you know, when people apply for grants,
they're not successful.
One of the main issues we're seeing is
that there's no information to even input into a grant.
So if you're a local partner
and you wanna say how many orders of protection are, are,
um, entered every day in Cook County,
that information is not available.
If you wanna know how many women are killed in Cook County,
that information is not available.
Um, so trying to get inputs from all of the different
agencies into one dashboard, not only will help lift up the,
the social service net,
but also provide a level of accountability.
Um, how many orders are, are entered, how many are served,
why are they not being served?
We could start dissecting the system with more transparency,
but definitely public, uh,
facing dashboard is one of the outputs.
Is there another city that's doing this work already?
We are far behind most of the other cities,
which is why the data is just horrendous in Chicago.
Is it, is there a New York has a great model.
LA has, um, a collaborative
and then smaller jurisdictions, even Milwaukee has, um,
done a lot of reforms over the last decade.
Um, so we've been in touch with all three agency
or all three jurisdictions.
Um, but Cook County
and the city of Chicago are, they're,
we're unique in how it's structured.
Um, New York is very different from us
where the courts fall more under, uh,
some jurisdiction of the mayor's office.
So, um, we really need the, what the whole point of this is
to get everybody in a room and figure it out.
They might not all report to the same entity,
but everybody has different, um, statutory responsibilities,
yet nobody, there's like,
unlike I've worked on criminal justice reform forever,
you're under a criminal justice system.
There's no system or there's no umbrella
that's bringing everybody together.
Everybody just is kind of off doing their own thing
and having in their own silos.
And that's why we quite frankly, are just so far behind our,
our other jurisdictions
and our sister jurisdictions of, uh, New York and LA
Again, thank you. Thank
you for your work. That, that's really it.
Um, we need to come together
and people are working in silos.
They're probably doing the best that they can,
but not seeing what one another are doing.
So again, thank you to the survivors who spoke today
and all those that are gonna move us forward
in the city. Thank you.
Thank you. Alderman Curtis, followed
by Vice Chairman Yancy to close
Much, I'm sorry.
Thanks. Okay, got it.
Um, as everyone was talking, what was coming to mind was,
uh, wraparound services like, like, um, the children
of the surviving victims.
Is there a plan? Could you talk a little bit about that?
Uh, what's the plan for juvenile victims, uh, that
has no choice but to fall to be a victim?
Uh, because, you know, a lot of times
that child will jump up to protect their mom,
and of course the offender will react.
So could you talk a little bit about that?
Sure. Um, so, um,
the mayor also has a gender-based violence, uh, task force
that has a lot of the providers, um,
the community providers, um,
and they, um, have a specific kind of a focus area.
What we're looking at is government fixing government.
And so one of the things we have talked about is
that's why everybody is included, including, um,
Chicago public schools.
There's been some, um, uh, intimate partner violence
as young as 15 where, um, some students have been killed
by their boyfriend or girlfriend in CPS in the last year.
Um, so we know that we need
to not only address domestic violence that they're,
that they're seeing in their homes,
but also that they're, stop them from starting
to perpetrate it in high school.
So CPS, um, is part of, will be part of this.
And actually your former colleague Alderman, uh,
Slosky Garza actually has a curriculum that she used
to do in CPS.
And so we are, we have her engaged, she's part
of our process, and we're trying to figure out
what is actually happening in CPS
and then also the Chicago Park District
and all of these different, um, government points of contact
with youth are really important to this.
Um, not just to protect the children,
because I, we've, we've heard anecdotally there was,
was a few kids picked up by someone that was not supposed
to have them per an order protection last
summer at youth camps.
So it's real not just to, so not just
to protect the children, but also to see what they're doing,
a analyze, analyzing their policies, their protocols,
but also what they can be doing more of.
Um, because every point
of contact is really important in government, um,
to get people as much information
and care as they can possibly receive.
I, I also, I also, uh, saw cases where
as you, as you talk about perpetrating, you know, um,
sometimes it's, it's, it's a learned from the environment,
uh, that they came from and,
and, um, the John Wayne Gacy, uh, everything,
you know, um, as, as, as someone tried to, um, um,
as you get counseling
and things like that, they go back way back
to their childhoods and what they saw.
So that, that was important also to me. Thanks.
Thank you Chairman,
Vice chair.
Thank you Chairman. Um, I thank am thankful for, uh,
all the women to bodies, um, are presenters today.
More importantly, the, the women who spoke today
who are survivors of domestic violence, um, you know, this,
this is, there's been some revelational information shared
in this short period of time, particularly about
how the courts seem complicit
and, uh, supporting abusers,
which is highly problematic.
And you know, when I, I represent a ward that is, uh,
mostly African American,
and when I look at the stats, um, with shootings, right,
you're twice as likely to be a victim
of a fatal or non-fatal shooting.
And I can imagine the numbers are gonna look very,
very similar as we look at, um, women
who are impacted by this.
And so, um, yeah, I'm just grateful for this opportunity
to be able to sign on and support of this, uh, resolution.
And I hope that, uh,
we find ourselves having a very different conversation, uh,
in July of 2026
as we look at remedies to support all of you.
Thank you.
Thank you Vice chairman. Uh, and thank you Ms. Dunn.
Uh, hearing no further questions, wo Tebar moves a due pass
for resolution 1 9 9 5 0 as substituted,
uh, hearing No objection.
So order, the due pass recommendation will be reported out
to the next city council meeting on Friday,
November 14th, 2015.
Uh, there being, being no further business
before the committee, can I have a motion to adjourn
by the same roll call vote that was applied to determine,
determine quorum, uh, alderman sdo.
So moves, hearing no objection.
So ordered the committee stands adjourned. Thank you.