Is she here? Oh, this, she always comes, Greg. Oh, okay. Robinson, did I get this chairman? You said you saw more upstairs? Yeah. Yes. Okay. And um, you need one more? Oh, they're wonderful. This, this, the man who was we was waiting for now. Now lay out the red carpet today. I am fabulous. Now that I see you. Alright, we're good to gather in. Whenever you're ready. Vice chair. Your, uh, Oliver Mutual Sit. Sit on that day. The only person online right now is Roman Scotts. So the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Robinson. Nine. Right. 2, 4, 5, 6, 7. Right. Nine. So we just need one more, right? Robinson took a phone call. He asked me how long do you think I was like, five minutes. The most worst case. 10. And then that's what everyone, Good afternoon. Um, I want to welcome everyone to the meeting of the committee on housing, on real estate of the Chicago City Council. Uh, we calling the meeting to order today. We have seven agenda, seven items on the agenda. And we're gonna start with a roll call and we ask people to please, um, allow us to conduct the meeting and be respectful one another. Roll call. Uh, will now have the roll call to establish quorum. Vice chair Mitchell, vice Chair Mitchell. Present Laderman. Present of present. Wo uh, alderman Das. Remote. Alderman, uh, Robinson. Here. Alderman Robinson. Present. WO Harris. WO Harris. President Alderman Queen. Alderman Queen. Not present. Alderman Moore. Uh, present. Alderman Moore. Present Alder Women. Taylor. Wo Taylor Present. Alderwoman tab. Alderman Te not present. Uh, Alman. Burnett. Present. Alman Burnett. Present. Uh, Alman Not present. Wo. Clay Present. Wo m Allworth. Present And wo. Manhattan. Manhattan not present. That gives us 10 members present that give us quorum. Thank you so much for all the older persons attending. Um, now we have a, a rule, um, oh, for Rule 50. Oh, for Rule 59, we have a Rule 59 request from, uh, all women Scott to participate remotely. Can I get a motion to allow the elder person, Scott, and others to be able to, uh, to the quorum. So move Alman, clay. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed nay underpinning of the chair. The ayes have it. We are welcoming now. Alman Scott. And we'll see if anybody else join us, uh, that have requested remote participation. Um, we have, um, how many? Six. We got six, uh, um, speakers sign up for public comment. Uh, each speaker will be given three minutes to speak on all items on the agenda. We are gonna start with, um, uh, Fox Culbert. Yeah. Yeah. You can come to the front, please. Yeah, you can, you can join us right there. Thank you. Thank you. And welcome. Thank you for having me. Hello? Okay. There you go. Hello, everyone. Um, thanks for having me here. Um, my name is Sonora Fox Colbert, and I am representing the Riverdale Community Land Trust. Um, and, um, my purpose, uh, for being here today is to find out information on, um, the land, on the agenda that, um, it's been transferred, um, dealing with neighborhood, neighborhood space, and, uh, Tom Farms. Um, I just, you know, want to get a clear understanding of, um, this, you know, acquisition and how it'll affect our community. The, um, and, uh, we are being included, which is being inclusive. I to I really to obtain complete transparency on what's really going on. 'cause um, we're very not clear on this matter. So that's the purpose of my presence. Mm-Hmm. And I'm hoping you can clarify that for me. Mm-Hmm. Thank you so much for, for your participation. And, um, we'll make sure to get, uh, the item is later in the, in the agenda. Um, now we have, uh, um, Crenshaw, uh, is it Hays Hodges. Sorry. Thank you Ms. Hodges. Thank you. Good day. Good Day. Um, everybody, I'm here to oppose the land. Transfer your line. Seven of the transfer of parcels to, um, neighbor space. Um, residents and family members alike and the farmers that are in that area should not feel like, um, they're being intimidated. Um, an old time slavery mentality of being maybe lynched crosses burned in your yard is it's not right. Um, as of now, they're proposing some type of farm back there for, um, agriculture. We have a school in Argel Gardens, George Washington Carver, the doctor of agriculture. Portions of that area should be allocated for agriculture back there for, um, the purpose of also the land parcels, um, in regards to that area are historical underground railroad, um, parcels for the underground railroads of, um, black America that, um, escaped, um, captivity coming north for the plan to, um, better their family. So that land back there is historical, it should be preserved, um, have a, um, preservation of historical significance, um, while the opportunity to work with other agencies that focus on the African American or Black America agenda. Um, also, um, in regards to Harriet Tubman who worked, um, to help free Black America, um, wade in the water that is little Calumet River that we utilize back there. I think that is Apor important significance soul in my Harriet Tubman voice. I'm saying that also if the ton family was abolitionist to support, um, the African American Freedom, um, um, agenda, um, wouldn't that be the same thing that land should be preserved for that reason? Um, it also as a family that's back there already utilizing that space, how come those parcels can't just be already transferred to the family, the existing businesses back there and not be intimidated with maybe fines or somebody's trying to, um, make them feel like they shouldn't belong back there? I don't think that's right. People shouldn't be scared to voice their truth and their opinion, especially if they've grown in that neighborhood or familiar with that neighborhood. Have family members in that neighborhood visit that neighborhood. And in my relation to it, I recently worked back there with the Baia Youth Organization with fans of the Forest Reserves. I have a minor in geography from Chicago State. So when you're talking about urban planning and urban development and revitalization and a possibility for gentrification, I think it should be looked at on multiple angles to definitely with the surrounding communities as well. Since you all decided to, um, remap or rezone the area taking, um, Chicago off the agenda, the, um, area is now known as Riverdale. So I think we should consider all those points for before we just transfer all these land parcels to somebody that might not have the agenda of Black America. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, next we have Laura, uh, uh, Bergeson. Hi, I am Laura Baren and I work for Open Lands, which is a nonprofit in downtown Chicago that does open space preservation and enhancement. And I'm here to speak in support of the sale and transfer of City of Chicago and Cook County Land Bank authority, land to neighbor space to be held as public open space. I've been working to help ensure that communities have access to the little what was that? Um, I've been working to help ensure that communities have access to the little Calumet River and at GU Gardens Golden Gate and the Riverside Village. Concordia Place neighborhoods, um, including Riverfront public open space. Since 2018, I was introduced to the project through a series of planning meetings that took place in 2018, coordinated by the forest preserves of Cook County, about how to effectively connect communities to the little Calumet River and the Forest preserves Boian Woods. These meetings were attended by a variety of community leaders, governments, and nonprofits. A lot of ideas, including establishment of public open space along the little Calumet River, resulted from the meetings. The town farm area was one of the sites identified. Its situated on the banks. So the river owned by the city of Chicago and the Cook County Land Bank. It was, um, a site on the Underground Railroad as well as a location that had been informally farmed by community members for years. Um, also identified was a land bank owned parcel on hundred 34th Street, very near the Town Farm site, considered by leadership of the Golden Gate Homeowners Association as a good place for community or biking gathering space. So these are the spaces included in the land sale and transfer. Under discussion here today, in 2021, several partners, including Open Lands and neighbor space and community leaders, led a community walk through the neighborhoods to view and discuss potential open space, including the town farm area and the potential community space. The walk was well attended with approximately 50 community members joining for some part of it in early 2022. Open Lands and Calumet Collaborative held three virtual community meetings at which we got feedback on several potential open spaces, the, including those that are under discussion here. The riverfront area that includes the town farm was recommended during these meetings for environmental repair opportunities for active recreation, employment opportunities and natural spaces and parks. Currently, the neighborhoods lack access to the river, although the Calumet River borders the whole south of the neighborhoods. And this sale would begin to change. Thank you. Thank you for your participation. Um, next we have Bord Og b Brk Smith. Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. I disagree with the, uh, with the lair share and, uh, transfer. Uh, I happen to be a, a, a late resident. I used to live in Alga Gardens. I fished that waterway. My ancestors have, uh, continuously, uh, farmed that land, that, that waterway. And we hunted on that waterway. As an African American descent of the African slave. There's no reason that a, a company from Germany should be, uh, uh, planning, fishing, or planning anything. They are in direct competition with the Jewish people who are the last people to own the African Americans descent of slaves in United States of America. That's why they still teach the Holocaust of black high schools. It's offensive that we were enslaved to grow and to farm everybody's mercantile. Put them on the map. And here it is, this opportunity for us to have, uh, time to be part of the, of the American mercantile. And they're dis they're disregarding us. We eat the most chicken, we grow the grow most greens, we smoke the most marijuana. We are still planting and we are still fishing out there. If you go out there, you'll still see gardens out there. You'll still see people like me disenfranchised telling me I need to go back to Africa when people are coming from Europe trying to take my land that I was enslaved on. This waterway is where black people descend of slaves were canoeing, rafts and barges out there. And they're still doing that for mercantile, such as corporations such as Ford. You understand? They're telling us to get away from home and letting other people come to our homes and getting, uh, resources in their hands when we are being, uh, arrested for not having the same resources. It is totally unfair. It is, it is disrespectful. It is in it. Who could, who could phantom that? Who is the tan family? Are they part of the people who come from South Holland? South Holland is Germany. See, that's part of the people that's, uh, uh, sticking their forks into the infrastructure of the African Americans. That's the same thing that happened in South Shore, A Jewish community, Hyde Park, a Jewish community, Bronzeville, a Jewish community, Chatham, a Jewish community. All the major Meile that's owned in those establishments are owned by the Europeans, the Jewish and the Germans. Now, what are we here for? You people are representatives of our community, of our demographic. That's why you're sitting here. What's going on? Y'all don't see that we fish there, check our license. I'm a licensed fisherman, okay? I don't see anybody over there trying to do anything for us until it's time to make boat front or beach front property like they did on 31st. And Halston. We are not the people that's inpo importing all the trash and all the refuge over there. That's the people that's allowed to see how many companies that are owned by the United States of America, and particularly the Native American black man. We all eat chicken. We all use arrows. We all fish. We all grow. What are we waiting for? Somebody else to come around here and finish kicking us around? Somebody else from another descent. I'm a Native American black man, descent of slaves. What else do I need to be? Thank you. Thank you. Uh, next we have, uh, Mr. J George Blakemore here, uh, uh, being, uh, in that area where that, uh, uh, uh, uh, lot of toxic waste with the water reclamation, uh, over there with those projects is stink. What is stink out there? It's polluted out there. Now, from listening to that gentleman, uh, black people didn't pollute it. They didn't pollute it, and now they wanna, uh, uh, transfer their land. But that's one item. The first item is, uh, uh, with appointing a new commissioner of Chicago Housing Authority housing, they just got rid of, of the, of, of the lady, uh, uh, with the Chicago Housing Authority. I'm amazed with black people. When will you wake up? The government have got out of public housing with, with, with using, uh, uh, uh, now they, uh, uh, what Mr. Blakemore, that they are now giving rich developers housing, uh, to make that money. The Governor United States government have gotten out of public housing. Uh, I can't understand what happens to the black man on, on the plantation. Something happened to him. What? He was a slave. He was raped. His culture, everything was just gone like this. Man said, I'm a native Indian. You don't know your culture. And when you don't know your culture and you don't respect your culture, nobody respects you. So, uh, transferring a land from one government agent to another, this is voodoo economics. It is something evil. Here is something un-American here. And the reason why this can't continue to go on, because black faces in high places selling out, that's a rich black man. He came here when he started, he was a poor black man. How did he get rich? Selling us out. Selling us out. And he's still doing it. We get these black faces in these high places and they advocate against us, not for us. So on the plantation, the white man made a n****r purge a n****r Israel and become strong black men and women. It's something evil here. It's something corrupt here. What is it? It's America. America never embraced us. We have to embrace us. We have to love us. We got to trust us, and we got to fight for us. Is something evil, just having a black face in a high place? Look at Him. Look at that. Thank you Mr. Blakemore. Next, we next have Mr. Taiwan Sims. Um, Jessica Jackson. We could So much emotion spilled. Well, let's get to the, um, reason why c Joe Lopez, I'm not sure when you were appointed the Chairman of Housing, however, you have did a abyssal job. I love that word. A very abyssal job to the fact that now we are seeing triple the amount of homeless in 2003, from 2003 to 2024. I've been homeless since 2021. Why? If the Goldmans family can obtain home ownership, and I've been in this city for 44 years, diligent. I'm not unmotivated. Why? Why? That's why they're countless Americans. Yet these people came here illegal for whatever means, and they have attained home ownership. We asked you to represent us as Americans, as Chicagoans, to look out for our better interests. Right? Why haven't you did this? And why are you still sitting in that seat since March when they tried or attempted when you should have been removed from housing so that maybe someone more competent can step in and do the job so that we, the citizens can stop suffering under the boot or the weight of your decision making or whatever it is that you lacking in. So I'm asking this body of people right now, and I'm telling you all, I've come to you all my HMIS number and you know, Lord, forgive me, father Three. My HMIS number is 3 5 5 0 6 1. I'm homeless. And the reason I'm homeless is for the fact that if I have a home, then my children are with me, my nephew, who is consistently in and outta these nursing homes and these crazy facilities is with me because I'm gonna regard 'em with love and be able to hold 'em down. But that's the, that's the measure. That's the agenda. To keep the black man off put with no foundation and no stability that way that y'all can abuse our women and our children. This agenda that y'all have against us won't prevail. I promise this. That's why you can look across at me. That's why I was sent. I'm not a fascist. I'm a black American in my own city that's being abused by his representation. Underrepresented more than underrepresented, discriminated against by his representation. Because if another nation can come into my city, my home and obtained something, why haven't I obtained it? Mr. Lopez, I want to know, because you have the power, you and your committee of people, right? I'm saying, come on, help me out. I got time. We got 16 seconds. You can answer, but you can't, you couldn't even speak to the humanity of it last time because you have none. And your inhumane treatment to my nation and all those other people who you up to the wayside cannot go on any further than we I asked. We the people Removed immediately, like tomorrow. Like right now. Yeah. Like when the meeting end, y'all just right him off. Thank right there, the crook. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Sims. Next we have, uh, Ms. Jessica Jackson as the last speaker for today. So last night, a podcaster by the name of Afro Elite did a commentary called Can Beyonce Help Kamala? And it was talking about how Kamala Harris could win the black vote, the black man vote in particular. And she was in, and the interview was from Roland Martin when he was in interviewing Obama, Barack Obama. And Obama said, do we want the kind of country that understands and believe and cares about our communities or a government that dismisses it or disregards it and sees us after, after as an afterthought? And when I looked at that, and I'm listening to Obama say that, I'm thinking, do he know that he talking about his own party? Do he know that that's the Democratic party, that they disregard and dismissed us and seize our issues As a afterthought, I can't believe what I'm seeing from black male leadership. I can't believe it. I got seven black men, black public officials, Greg Mitchell, Tyler Farro, bill Laurie, bill Laurie's, chief of staff, Cedric Giles, David Moore, and Kwame Rahul. Seven black men. That's supposed to be political officials and political power. And the fact that they are too scared to deal with those white judges and those white public administrators, even though they got all the documentation that they need to prove what they have done. And they just won't step to 'em. Just won't bring them down. They are really gonna sit back and watch my mother's building that's been in our family for 62 years, get taken by a bunch of white Brooks. 'cause they too scared. My God, I'm 62 years old. I never thought that I would see black men this week. My heart believes that the Democratic party has diminished the black man to this small, to be this small. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. To see black men go from being courageous men, courageous men to being belittled, that they can't even speak for themselves. They can't even stand up for women. They can't even, come on. Come on. Democratic Party. I thought we was the black. I thought the Democratic Party said the black woman is the backbone of the Democratic Party. The only thing they use y'all for is for your face. It's for your face. They don't care. Okay, Thank you. This concludes a public comment. I wanna recognize Alderman BGAs for the quorum. Uh, I also like to take a motion, um, rule 59 so that we can allow Alderman, uh, ca Ramirez Rosa to join, moved by DER Women Harris. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed a nay. We wanna also welcome Alder Mcar Alderman MITs as well. Aye. Thank you chair. Okay. We also wanna recognize al women mitts for the quorum and with the same motion. But Alder der person, Harris, all those in favor say aye. All those opposed nay. We also wanna recognize all the women meets officially for the role for the quorum. Um, continue with the order of business we have. And now we actually have received five written public comments, which were emailed and included in your packet today. Thank you. And that officially concludes our public comment. I wanna remind everybody who has come today to please help us continue with the business of the committee. So let's be respectful and continued listening to one another. Um, our first order of business is the Rule 45 report from October 1st, 2024 and October 25th, 2024, which was emailed and handed out to committee members. Can I make, can I get a motion to recommend approval of these two reports? So, so move al All those in favor say aye. All those opposed na inp depend of the chair. The ayes have, uh, the Rule 45 report has been having approved, um, for the committee. Um, I, I know that in the previous agenda on Friday, we had a subject matter hearing a scheduled. Unfortunately, all the, uh, former Governor Quinn is unavailable to attend today. And we have also, uh, um, agreed with all the women Dowell, uh, to join these, uh, uh, to make this subject matter hearing after the referendum on November 5th, the referendum that ask Chicagoans and across the state to, to change the Constitution for a surcharge of 3%, uh, for people making more than $1 million for property tax relief. This follows a presentation by the Board of Review about a circuit breaker program. And this could potentially help us fund such program with the state funding. Uh, we will, um, defer this item until, um, we come back hopefully with the results of the referendum and we will do it jointly with the finance committee chair so that we have a robust conversation and a full presentation. Uh, now we, we move on with the items before the committee. Item number one is, um, an appointment, uh, 2024 dash 0 1 3 0 6 8. Appointment of La Sean Copp as Commissioner of the Chicago Housing Authority CHA. Um, Ms. Uh, Copp is present to introduce herself and answer any questions from the committee members. She's also, um, shared with the committee her resume, and of course, she's available for questions. And thank you and welcome Ms. Ka. Good afternoon, chairman Lopez, vice Chair Mitchell and Honorable members of the Housing and Real Estate Committee. My name is LaShawn Cobb and I'm a single mother to adult son. I live in the Woodlawn area and I have been a participant in the Housing Choice voucher program for 21 years. I am now a homeowner through the CHA Choose to Own program, which allows me to use the voucher towards my mortgage. I also graduated from the CHA Spring to Success program, which taught me to set goals and save money, which helped me save money, save up enough for my down payment. I am grateful for my appointment to the CHA board and I'm excited to learn more about the work the CHA board does and it be able to share my perspective as a CHA resident. Thank you. Um, Ms. Ka, uh, are there any questions from committee members? Alderman, Ms. Uh, Taylor, follow Alman Spa. Thank you Chairman. How you doing Ms. Cobbs? Fine. Alderman Taylor, Why you want Busy speaking to you? Why you wanna be here? I want to be here to help fellow CHA residents to see what the program can entail and enable them to do for themselves, for their families, Their, you know, this is not an EC lift. CHA is literally one of the city's nemsos and they're a nemesis because we don't actively work together. And that is an issue. And so my question was gonna be, are you a CHA resident? Of course. 'cause usually too often the people that come before us, I want these seats have no, they have no experience with CHA. And so I'm honored that you do. And you went through a lot of programs and they do, um, do have a lot of good programs for the folks who live in CHA. Um, but I also want you to take care in this space. 'cause CHA has been jacked up for decades. We know the plans for return information has failed. Mm-Hmm. And, and, and it's failed because we, and I ain't gonna just put this on CHA, it's the city's responsibility as well have failed to work together so that this actually works for the people who are actually looking for housing. 'cause we we're in a housing crisis. Yes, we, we, we just are. And so I'm glad that you've taken on this role as a person who has the experience, but I'm gonna tell you to take care of yourself publicly. 'cause this ain't, this is gonna be a heavy load for you to carry and know that you are not in this alone. I, anybody that sits in this seat who's asking us for our vote to be appointed, you got a role and it's heavy. But also as a black woman, 'cause the world is definitely expect us to carry them on their shoulders. Please make sure you take care of yourself in this role. Thank you, Ma'am. Alderman, chair Taylor. Thank you. Alman Taylor, uh, alderman follow by Aluminum. Clay. Hey, there we go. Thank you Ms. Ka. Thank you so much for being with us today. Kind of as wo Taylor was sharing there, there's a lot, honestly, like the, the mayor has brought forward a lot of really qualified and talented appointees in the last few months to the CHA board. But you're the first person who's come before this committee who has lived through the, the life and the challenges and the opportunities that come with being a CHA resident, even though we've only texted so far to hear about your story and your journey and your perseverance, it makes you feel like you're an excellent, excellent candidate for the board. Someone that we can collaborate with, someone that we can work with more deeply. I I know we're about to head into a little bit of a busy season down here, but at some point, even in that season, I would love to find time. I have your cell phone number to, to meet up and look at some of the senior and scattered site properties in the first ward to think about together. How can we be an advocate for those residents. So thank you so much for being with us today. Very glad to be able to support you. Thank You. Thank you very much. Ottoman. Thank you. Thank you. Lum Barra, uh, Lum. Okay. There we go. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Thank you so much for being here. As you can see, our emphasis on quality housing is real. And I wanted to ask you, as a CHA resident, where are some ways that you think CHA can improve just for the quality of housing that you're providing tenants as a, as a resident, as a resident? This is from you, this is from your perspective. What are some ways that you think CHA can do better by its resident? Um, As a resident, just getting, um, some of the participants to see what programs they have and show them or, you know, gather clients, participants to give their story. Because that's the only way people are gonna say, yes, I can participate in this program. Yes, it can help me succeed. Yes, I can do it. Cool. Um, where do you think we as council members can help you If we all can just work together? Rachel, you did a great job prepping this beautiful lady. Uh, with this appointment, obviously just comes a lot of responsibility, not just to the residents that CHA serves, right? But to making sure that communication is constant. Uh, we bother Rachel and team for everything and we expect communication to be returned, right? So just wanting to make sure that you keep a open line of communication with the folks that are here in, uh, the larger council because we wanna make sure that you're being responsive to residents. We wanna make sure that you're coming out and touring the different communities that CHA serves. Um, so take a deep breath, Uhhuh, get my cookie, get some, get some rest. 'cause it'll probably be the last rest that you get in this position. Um, and just make sure that you keep that open line of communication. 'cause it'll be key. Thanks, chairman. Yes, ma'am. Thank you Elon Clay, any additional questions? Alderman Moore. Alderman, um, p Burnett, and then Alderman Moore. Congratulations to you. Thank, very Congratulations to you and thank you for taking on the challenge. Uh, and thank you. And serving in this, in this position, which, which, uh, CHA complex did you come from? Uh, my family. They grew up there, but I myself did not grew up. Um, but I've had the voucher for 21 years. So I rented from, um, private owners. So you, with my voucher, Your family grew up where? Uh, Stateway Auga, um, not Auga, uh, Stateway Robert Taylor homes. Yeah, so I mean, so I think it's important that folks to understand that, uh, when they tore down public housing, uh, almost over 25 years ago, they promised a lot of people that they would have the opportunity to come back. Right? Uh, on a lot of these developments, there's still a lot of land and they haven't finished up developing the property, uh, because for whatever reason. And so I'm saying that to say there's still people waiting to come back home, right? Uh, because, and a lot of these developments, if your family grew up there, you know, there was several generations that stayed in these complexes and there was a close tight-knit family for folks and, and, you know, grandmothers and mothers and kids, they were able to be able to help each other living right in the same neighborhood. And they kind of disperse folks and put 'em all over the city. And people are looking to come back to their communities. And one of the challenges that we have is that they do come back to the communities to hang out, but they don't live there 'cause they can't live there. Right? Mm-Hmm. So I think it is, uh, one of the things, you know, as you sit on these boards with CHA, just keep in mind the faster that they build a replacement housing, the better it would be for everyone, you know, for the people who, whom, uh, neighborhood for which these folks have moved. And for them to be able to come back home and be closer to their family. So just keep that in mind. Yes, sir. Alright. Thank you. You are welcome. Thank you. Alderman Burnett. Alderman Moore. Thank you. Thank you so much Lash Sean. Uh, just for the record, 'cause we already, um, spoke, um, you, you said you already met with the, um, local advisory council, correct? Yes. And in that conversation you said they was in port of your appointment, correct? Yes, sir. Okay. And so that's, that's good because, uh, they're the elected representatives for the residents and their voice is, um, very important. I know, uh, Francine Washington, I think she still sits on the board Yes. As well. And so I, I have no doubt that you all will be working, um, together. So thank you so much for, um, you know, sitting with them in advance and, um, getting their support. Uh, my question that I have with the transition, um, that's going on, um, over at CHA, um, would you think you'll be a, I know they're talking about doing, through some rumors I heard about a national search. Um, what is your position, do you think somebody should lead that that's from, from outta Chicago or in Chicago? Um, because you'll have a vote on that. Um, you know, from the board standpoint, I have not met with the board. And I will ha I am happy to help wherever I am needed. No, I get that. But I'm just saying I'm, I'm not, it's not a trick question. No. And I know, and I know they, you know, tell you to try to be careful, but just the, um, the CEO, um, as you know, announced that she will not be returning and, um, they're gonna be looking for another CEO. Um, you're gonna have a voice in that that, that the chair have to, you know, select that. And then my question is, um, is your preference to have someone, and would you fight for someone to be from the city of Chicago or outside of ci City of Chicago? I would prefer someone to be from Chicago. Alright. Thank you. That's all I have. It's not, trust me, I don't do the trick questions. Cut. Cut and dry. Alright. Thank you so much. Um, chairman, you're welcome. On Chairman Memo Moore. Thank you. A Moore. Any additional questions? Otherwise, can I, commissioner? Oh, I'm sorry. I'll do Robinson. Sorry I didn't see you. Um, Ms. Cobb, I would like to, uh, congratulate you, um, in advance and thank you for stepping up. Um, I, I know you have heard this before, to whom much is given, much is required and the Chicago housing residents need you, we need you to be a voice at CHA and we need you to think about your experiences, your family's experiences at CHA as we will bring in a new CEO and prayerfully to usher in a new day at the Chicago Housing Authority. And as my colleague mentioned a little earlier, that no, this is not all on you, but we need your help and we need you to communicate with us if you feel as though things are not going in the direction that they need to be going in. But we need you to be steadfast and be vocal as a commissioner, um, because our folks need you and we need your experience to be able to be that voice. And so I'm thankful, um, for you, um, but I want to again reiterate that we need to work in lockstep to make sure that we do right, um, by the residents in Chicago Housing Authority. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Mond Robinson. Um, if there's not any questions, can I get a motion to approve, um, Ms. Uh, COP appointment? So moved by Clay. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed a name and opinion of the chair. The ayes have it. And, um, we have appointed a new member of the CHA. Congratulations. Thank you much Ms. The do pass recommendation of this ordinance will be reported out at the next City Council meeting on October 30th, 2024. Item, uh, number two is an Ordinance 2024 dash 0 0 1 3 0 5 4 Amendment of municipal code chapters two dash five one and two dash 1 54. Modifying economic disclose statement requirements for Temporary occupancy agreements. Kimberly Worthington from the Department of Fleet and Facility Management is present to testify on behalf of this ordinance. Thank you Kimberly. Uh, good afternoon, alderman Chairman and members of the Committee for the record. My name is Kimberly Worthington. I'm Deputy Commissioner at Fleet and Facility Management. Uh, the department is requesting to amend the municipal code, specifically chapters two dash 51 and two dash 1 54 as it relates to the requirement of completing an economic disclosure statement for temporary occupancy agreements, I'll refer to those as EDS. Um, moving forward, the proposed change would affect all of the wards and community areas of the city. The EDS requirement for temporary occupancy agreements, also known as Rights of Entry, has caused unnecessary burdens on completing due diligence for redevelopment projects. It has also caused delays in the schedules for filming projects that help promote Chicago and contribute to its economy. Eliminating the requirement of the EDS as recommended by Mayor Johnson's cut the Red Tape Initiative would reduce that burden and accelerate project timelines incentivizing the creation of more housing and commercial development. It is important to note that the EDS requirement will remain in effect for any occupancy agreements longer than 180 days that requires City Council approval. That concludes my presentation for this item and I'd be happy to answer any questions We have. Wo Taylor, go ahead. Gar Alman Taylor, Tell me how EDS looks on a south side versus the north side. It's the same form, um, When it comes to development. Remember we look at the north side. Mm-Hmm. Well developed things happen very quickly. My community, I got a whole corridor full of vacant land or vacant stores. Yes. Tell me how does it look different? So I think it's going to help with the vacant lot initiative. A lot of the folks that want to do community gardening or, you know, put up, you know, something to help the community or start a business, Please, um, can we allow the response please? Um, it's gonna reduce that burden on them. A lot of times folks on the south side aren't able to complete that EDS for a variety of reasons. Um, Can you gimme a little explanation of why they can't? Sometimes it's a community group that lacks the legal expertise to fill it out because it is a complicated form. Um, I'm here, um, behalf of Fleet and Facility Management and I can try to get more examples from you, from the personnel that work directly on the rights of entry. So I'm gonna be honest, chairman, we should hold this until y'all had those conversations. I am not comfortable and I'm, let me just be honest, from a ward that is being gentrified, as we sit here and look at each other, I'm just not comfortable with saying we're going to end stuff just to cut the red tape. Who are we cutting it for? Who doesn't honestly benefit and who does it hurt? And so what I would appreciate from you all is to have briefings with us to say what this actually does. I get we're in a committee hearing and there might be a lot of answers that you do or do not have. Mm-Hmm. And I don't wanna lay that on you, but I am not comfortable with us going forward with this until we have those conversations. Thank you, chairman. Okay. Thank you. Uh, Thank you very much, chair. Uh, I just wanna make sure that I'm understanding, so we're not, when you have on the slide that this is for all wards and community areas. Mm-Hmm. So this would be a a blanket policy citywide, correct? Correct. Okay. Can you talk more about short-term occupancy? Like what, what kind of projects, spaces, economic opportunities are facilitated through these kinds of short-term occupancy agreements? So rights of entry are typically used, um, for filming crews. Um, they're used for doing due diligence to do environmental testing, environmental studies. That's one of the common uses. Sometimes people will use them for surveys. Um, sometimes it's to, you know, figure out what can be done on the property from a community standpoint. Um, it is not any type of construction or any type of ground disturbance. Um, it should just be for people to access the city property. That is the purpose of a temporary occupancy agreement. And why has the city previously or currently required EDS forms? Just so I'm just trying to make sure that we all have the full context for the vote. I I do not. No, I believe it's just a blanket, it's part of the code that any agreement that the city signs has to be accompanied with an EDS. And so as part of the cut, the Red Tape initiative that was analyzed as one of the things that maybe they could peel out of that requirement to help speed up some of these processes. Got it. Appreciate it. Thank you. Mm-Hmm. Thank you Chair. Thank You all Ms. Barra. Any any additional questions on this item? Otherwise? Taylor, do you wanna renew your motion or, so we have a motion, but other there aluminum Taylor to get briefings on this matter and then come back to committee other there. Second Barra, all lumen Clay, all those, those in favor say aye. All those opposed nay? No. So, oh, so we have, uh, we have a with exception on Alderman, um, we are going to hold this item and then we'll, we'll make sure to have briefings. Great. Make sure that we make any corrections. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for, for being here. Um, thank you Alderman Taylor. Um, next item, agenda item number three is Ordinance 2024 dash 0 1 3 1 2 9. First amendment to right of entry agreement for time extension to continue research activities at two 20 East Monroe Street by Lincoln Park Zoo, uh, zoo Society in the 42nd Ward. Michael from the Department of Fleet and Facility Management is present to testify on behalf of this ordinance. Good afternoon, honorable chairman and members of the committee for the record, my name is Michael Taylor. On behalf of the Department of Fleet and Facility Management, the department is requesting authorization to extend the current right of entry agreement with the Lincoln Park Zoo Zoological Society for the use of space at city owned property. Located at two 20 East Monroe, commonly known as L Garden within Millennium Park. In order in, in order to continue conducting its research activities. The property is located in the 42nd ward and Alderman Riley is in support. The research collected through this rite of entry will allow Chicago and its citizens to better understand how wildlife live in cities to ultimately inform urban planning to design that promotes human wildlife coexistence. The term of this proposed extension would be valid through June 30th, 2025. That concludes my presentation at this time on this item and I will be happy to answer any questions the best of my knowledge that the committee may have. Thank you. Mr. Taylor. Alderman Taylor, Talk to me like I'm not a developer or a person who understands what does the first amendment of right of entry agreement for time extension. Just, just what does it mean? Uh, I'll have to get back to you with the answer, answer to that through the chair. Does it mean you want enter it? Come on. Yeah, it's just, I I believe it's just a right of it allows them to come onto the land. Oh, thanks. Let me just say this for the record. When y'all bring us stuff, y'all see we have people in the audience. We wanna be able to explain to them what we're actually voting on so they don't think we are voting against their interest. And so those are questions we should just have an answer to. Yeah. Alright. This is Kimberly Worthington again from Fleet and Facility Management. We are at a bit of a disadvantage. One of our staff members has laryngitis and she's unable to, she's here with us in spirit today, but she can't speak right now. Yes. Other, so It's, so it strikes me that Lincoln Park Zoological Society, colloquially known to some of us as Lincoln Park Zoo, has been doing biological wildlife ecological research at L Garden for some time now. Is that correct? Correct. So the first amendment to the right of entry is extending their right to access this space to continue doing their research through June, 2025. Is that also correct? Correct. Okay. Thank you. No other questions, chair. Thank you Elam. So can you explain it to me because my question, thank you. So, um, it's understanding that they have a right of entry to use the space to go out and, uh, they're actually filming and capturing wildlife in the garden and then studying that for research purposes. And so it would be just to allow those cameras to stay there. So they've had a right of entry for 180 days and now this would take it further out, um, all the way to June 30th, 2025. So it is a long term right of entry, um, typically than what we usually do. Does it affect the community any ground way? So is it more noise, is it more cameras? No, what, what it has, so it has no effect on the community. It still payroll. Let's See. It Goes to payroll. Please, please. There's, we're not providing any funding for this. Um, are there more cameras or are there more cameras? No, there's no more cameras. So it's just allowing them to continue the work that they've already been doing. What happens after the extension? Y'all ask for another extension In June? In possibly if they aren't, if they have not completed their work. So it's temporary work? Yes, because it's, they're portable cameras. They're not permanent fixture. So you know, they're in there right now. We can have them removed at any time and I would Authorize them to be put there from the giggle. Was it the city council? So the initial right of entry would've been done under the temporary occupancy authorization that two FM has for under 180 days. And so this would allow it to go beyond 180 days and that requires city council approval. And gimme the extension date again. June 30th, 2025 Away. This goes payroll. Is it on? Is it, can somebody put it up to where we, what we are actually looking at? I didn't see this. Yeah, so thing, Um, you Can see your screen or in the back. It's, no, it's on this screen. You, you still can't really tell It's better, bigger up there. It's just showing the location of where their right of entry is located and some of the scientists out in the field looking at some of their information. What else is around that? Is that, is that close to the zoo? Is that No, this is in L Garden and Millennium Park. So it's not zoo property, which is why we have to grant them access to be there. And it does not deserve the neighbors of the business. This is just some cameras. Got it. Thank you Chairman. Mm-Hmm. Any additional questions? Otherwise? And I, um, can I get a motion to approve this item? So move I member na. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed a na in opinion of the chair. The ayes have it. The do pass recommendation of this ordinance will be reported out at the next city council meeting on October 30th, 2024. Thank you very much. Uh, item um, number four is also from the Department of Fleet and Facility Management Ordinance 2024 dash 0 1 3 1 3 3. First amendment to Ride of entry agreement for time extension for Columbia Judge Club parking under Jam Baptist Point to Saba Lecture Drive north of East Randolph Street. Also in the 42nd Ward, Michael Taylor from the Department of Fleet and Facility Management will also testify on design. The, the department is requesting authorization to extend the current rite of entry agreement with the Columbia Yacht Club for the use of the city owned parking lot located under the northbound lanes of De Sabel Lakeshore Drive immediately north of Randolph Street. The property is located in the 42nd Ward and Alderman Riley is in support. This proposed extension would give to Columbia Yacht Club access to parking amenities near their ship on Lake Michigan. Columbia Yacht Club is a valued nonprofit that provides sailing classes among other services to Chicago, its citizens. For a background, the city of Chicago entered into the lease agreement with the Columbia Yacht Club on September 18th, 2006 for use of the parking lot, which was approximately 16,320 square feet. And they have since occupied and maintained the space. The lease expired on May 31st, 2011, and the tenant has been holding over on a day-to-Day basis since June, 2011. Please note that the Chicago Fire Department has recently reached out to my department requesting to occupy half of this parking lot for its operations at the Chicago Marine Safety Station. And we have agreed to offer the north end of the lot to be activated for municipal use by the fire department. The Columbia Yacht Club is aware and agrees to occupy the south end of the lot, which is approximately 8,160 square feet. The proposed use fee would be $12,953 and 17 cents for the entire term extension, which would be for six months. This comes to out to approximately $2,159 a month. That concludes my present presentation for this item. I'll be happy to answer any questions to the best of my knowledge that the committee may have. Please, we can please let so that we can, we can get to the questions. Alderman, alderman Taylor. Alderman Taylor. What? Tell me again what the Chicago Y'all Club does. Uh, well they have the, um, they, they help, uh, they It's a yapa for the privilege, not for the, for The, no. It's, they, uh, do a lot of nonprofit work. Uh, they take, uh, foster children and, uh, other, uh, groups out and teach 'em how to sail. Never heard of it through the chair. I need the demographics of who they serve, what they do. Is there a community benefits agreement? Um, you say part of the lot is supposed to be used for the fire department? Yeah. Green unit. Yeah. So we're essentially cutting their lot in half that they used to have access to. Why would we cut them in half to accommodate them and what, what, what are they giving the community? The Yacht club is getting less space now. It's a club for the privilege, not for the people. I got you. Okay. Sorry Lu Taylor. I I appreciate that the participation we had already Public comment just for the sake of q and a. If this, um, if they have no issues continue, I will have to ask to be, I would like to ask the Sergeant of Arms to start removing people. So please let us think. Ali Taylor is continuing to align of questioning. I just ask that you listen please. Alun Taylor Explain the parking lot to me again. So I just wanna get the numbers right here. Okay, so it's, it's um, 19,000 and some square feet of building, oh wait, I'm sorry, hold on. Oh no, I'm looking at the wrong one. Yeah. Um, It's uh, the Columbia yacht close, uh, uh, south end of a lot, which is approximately 8,160 square feet. Yeah. And right now they are using 16,000 square feet. So this would be reducing the amount of size that they have access to to make room for the fire department to use the space. Who owns the land? We do. We do. What are we charging them? Um, That's the $12,953 for uh, six months. So that's $2,159 per month for 8,000 square feet. Where does that money go to General? It goes back in our general or That goes general. I would like to know before I vote on this what the yacht club actually does for young people. Um, we, we, we do a lot of favors for folks and we get nothing out of it. And I don't want this to be that. We give people a pass and they do nothing for the young people in the community. I ain't never heard of the Columbia Lock Club but also don't live in the 42nd Ward. So Florida point Point of information by And so We're not, we're actually taking something from the yacht club. Correct. We're not giving anything to them. So we making them give up their land that they already lease. So it's It's our land. We making them give up the space that we lease to them, correct? Yeah. Give it back to us. Correct. And have less space than they usually have. Correct. Correct. At a higher cost. At a higher cost. So we charging them more money for less space. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Any, does the yacht club charge, does the yacht club charge for parking? I do not know that. I can get that information through the chair If you could. Thank you. That's a good question. Anyone else? I wasn't done. He asked Lum and Taylor, go Ahead. Thank you Chairman. So literally what, so we own the land, we've rented it to them. Correct. How long has that lease been in, in It's, Uh, September, 2006. Yeah, It expired in 2000. So there's a, is there a new lease? 'cause this, what you got on here says original lease began in nine 18 2000 expired 5 31 2011. Why was the lease not re renewed? It, it was just being allowed to continue on, on a day-to-day basis. So they just used it for free after 2000? No, they were, they continued to use it under the existing terms of the agreement. So this is now changing those terms. Are we going to do a new leasing agreement? Uh, it is being referred to as an extension. Uh, she's gonna try to speak hold. We've seen enough new agreement. We need money. Hi for the record, my name is Mari Solis from the department of uh, fleet and Lady ain't gonna make you sleep. I'm sorry. So yes it is. Um, it is our, um, goal to renew this lease and the extension for the right of entry will give us time to negotiate those terms. Okay. That, does that lease come before this? The city council? Yes It would. Okay. I would be very interested. And let me say this, please don't come to a committee hearing with us with that lease. We need to see it beforehand. 'cause I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do with everything else that come past here that we have not had a conversation about and ask us to hold it. And I don't wanna do that. I am not trying to bring more red tape to what's happening, but y'all gotta be able to inform people and so we, we broke, we, we, we all see that and so everybody gotta pay their fair share, including the y'all club. Thank you. I address this. Thank you. Thank you all the woman Taylor. Thank you. Um, Do you, do you wanna then, uh, are we okay Nick making a motion to approve this item pending, pending that information that we'll provide through the chair. Uh, can have a motion but Alman Harris, all those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed na Inp opinion of the chair. The have it, the Duke Press recommendation of this ordinance will be reported out at the next city council meeting on October 30th, 2024. And we'll make sure to get those items and leases in, in in the next presentations as well. Item number four is Ordinance 20. Um, uh, item number five is Ordinance 20 24 0 0 1 3 1 2 6. First amendment to lease number 2028, uh, 288 with Cook County at property located at 9 37 North Wood Street in the first ward. Michael Taylor from the Department of Fleet and Facility Management will also present on design. Thank you. The department is requesting authorization to amend the current lease agreement with Cook County for the city property located at 9 37 Northwood. The property is located in the first ward, which is Alderman LA's Ward. For background, the city of Chicago entered into a lease agreement with the Cook County on June 6th, 2013 for the use of this building and adjoining parking lot and have since occupied and maintained the premises which houses the Cook County Sheriff's Office Central Warrant Unit. Continued use of the property by Cook County would save city funds that would otherwise be used to secure and maintain the site. The property consists of appro approximately 9,436 square feet of building space together with the adjoining parking lot comprised of approximately 34,000 square feet, rent would be $1 for the entire term. The term of this lease would be through the end of 2033 with a renewal option for one 10 year period. That concludes my presentation for this item, and I'll be happy to answer any questions to the best of my knowledge. Thank you. Would you like to add to it For clarity? I, I will add to it and I'll probably add to it more than for clarity. So I, I, I know this location very well, in particular because it used to be the headquarters, the, for the 13th district back when there was a 13th Police District. The elimination of that district has been deeply and frustratingly felt by a residents for a long time. It's an ongoing conversation, not so much to see that district reestablished, which is a, a can of worms that once you open it, it's difficult to close. But our residents, uh, the ones jointly shared by myself, 'em in Vie and others are looking to Alderman Burnett and Alderman Burnett are looking for us to identify in collaboration with the 12th district, with the city, a north side, um, location that officers can be detailed out of in good conscience. When I think about my residents, I can't vote on this item until those negotiations have reached a conclusion that is satisfactory to all of us. I'm fine committee having broader conversation on this today. When that conversation is concluded, I would put forward a motion to table this item until the next committee meeting. Thank you, chair. Thank You. So there's a motion, um, there's a motion to the third item I, uh, uh, when conversation. So I, I'm from the table, y'all. I'm trying to be courteous to you all in case you have additional questions. Have plenty. 'cause I get it for Donald because voting is not a motion. Right? Sorry. So, Alma Harris Harris makes a motion that We, I second it Item committee in Committee I second it. Okay. Second by Al Member Burnett. So we'll, yeah. So, so, And, and Alem Burnett. Go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just for clarification, and I appreciate my colleague during this myself, all of the aldermen that share the 13th district, which is, they took and combined the 12th and the 13th district, which made us have one district with one district. There used to be two districts with more area less police officers. So they gave us a larger area, um, of a district and less police. Right. They didn't add any more police to the district. And we have, and our police officers have a hard time traveling far to get to the police district. And they moved the police district all the way to, was it on Bloomingdale Street or, uh, blue Island? Blue Island On Blue Island. So they moved it all the way to the end. So the, the time that they, a crime goes on and they had to go back to the district and get back to the area, is really holding us up on being able to have police available because we don't have enough police. We have a, a large area that they had to go to. We need to put this district back in. Myself and other alderman have been saying that every budget hearing, we don't under, and this used to be our police station here, but we giving it to the sheriffs for a dollar. We just need to understand how that picture work. When we need another district put back into the, we need another 12 district instead of, or another 13th district. They took the 13th district and put it in 12. We need to discuss this. So I, I, I stand with my colleagues on that. Our community actually did a, is it on a ballot? Was it on the ballot? Lista? I did a Ballot rep. Yeah. There was a ballot referendum that the community voted for another district to be put back into the community. Uh, we've said it at several budget hearings. And I think what my colleagues and I are saying is, we wanna be heard, right? We wanna be heard and recognized. And before we give up a building for a dollar, which we rather have to be a police station that we need in our community for the safety of the people in our neighborhood and response time for police in the district for which I even live in. Um, and, you know, I don't even want to say what's happening in my area, but, um, we need, we need to hold this and we need to be heard on this. Thank alman. Thank you. I wanna allow the conversation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and I, and I wanna thank my colleagues, alderman, Burnett and Losa for agreeing to table this. Listen, this, this district was closed in 2011, and my staff did an analysis that showed that over the years since its closure, that there's been a correlation between the uptick in crime and lack of services because of the fact that the 12th district is such a large district. And if we're going to provide a, uh, a facility to cook County Sheriff's Office, uh, for a dollar for a decade, uh, in turn we expect a couple of things. Number one, we expect to have a satellite office of the 12th district so that way we can have officers deployed to, to combat crime in a timely fashion. Number one. Number two, since the sheriff's office is actually housed in there, um, and Chicago, last time I checked is in, with, within Cook County, why aren't they also providing some additional services to help combat the crime within the city of Chicago? So it it, it's hard where I'm hard pressed as well as my colleagues from the 27th and First Ward to put forward a sweetheart deal when in fact our residents, uh, in, in the 12th district are getting the short end of the stick. So, I appreciate my colleagues for putting forward a motion to table this. Uh, we're not saying no, but the fact is, is that there's been discussions with CPD and we need to have discussions with two FM to identify a spot that will allow for, uh, quicker deployment of police officers within the area. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, thank you. Alderman Viega set the request. Alderman, uh, um, I think will, for the collaboration on this with other colleagues, we gonna hold this item in committee until, uh, we're ready to put forward a, a, um, a resolution. Um, we And all those in favor, those Judge Aye. Does voice vote? All those opposed a So in the opinion of the chair, the item will be called in, in, um, committee ram. Item number six is Ordinance 2024 dash 0 1 3 1 0 6. Sale of city owned property at 51 43 South Walco Avenue. Togo Cervantes under CHI Block build their open space platform in the 16th ward. Meg Goodson from the Department of Planning and Development is present to testify. Thank you. Meg. Hello. Thank you for the record. Meg Gus of sin, department of Planning and Development. Um, this is a shy block builder land sale in the 16th ward. We have a support letter from Alder Woman Stephanie Coleman. Um, next slide. Am I doing this? Sorry. Okay, great. Um, just a little background on Shy Block Builder in case anyone has any questions. Um, this is in our open space category. Um, each one needs to be approved by city council. Uh, this is till to, uh, the buyer is Vego Cervantes. Um, he lives on, he lives across the street from this site. He has a budget of approximately $7,000. Um, the purchase price is 10% of market value, which in this case is $623. Next slide please. Uh, here's the location of the site and, um, the breakdown of his budget. Um, he will, if you see in the photo, he'll have to get a survey to figure out where to fence it. He is required to fence the site. Um, he lives across the street, like I said, and will use water, um, from his house, um, to keep the garden going. Thank you. I think that's my last slide. Are there any questions? Are There any questions from council members? Thank You very much. Is there another, are there any more gardens on that block? Or this would be I don't believe so, no. But I will look again. Can you? Yes. How long has this gentleman lived in the community? Um, he said over 10 years, I believe. Um, alderman Mitchell. I done. Yeah. Thank, oh, is there something in shop block builders that says, 'cause he has to hold onto this land for five years, is that what it is? Correct. After the five years, which I've told y'all before, we should expend it to 10 because we find out when people call and say they want to build gardens, they hold on it for the five years and then they sell it to the highest bidder. So we need to really look into making sure that people genuinely are not gonna sell it to a developer who is not from our community and change it to something else. Absolutely. And for future, um, presentations, can you all not just take a picture, can you all be able to put it on Google Maps or whatever it is so we can see the entire area? 'cause you're saying it's across the street from His house. Oh, his house. Got it. Yes. So more context in the photos. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you Chairman. That's it. Taylor, vice Chair Mitchell, I piggybacking the line of questioning, um, is he a homeowner or renter of that property? I don't know the answer to that. The side yard category requires the applicant to be a homeowner, but this is an open space, right? So, um, we don't require them to be, um, owners. They could be a renter and have community support, um, a good healthy budget that they demonstrate. So that is not one of the requirements for open space. And I don't know if he owns a rents, but I can easily get that information. Just, just curious. Thank you. Mm-Hmm. Thank You Chairman. Thank you Vice Chairman Mitchell. Um, any additional questions? Otherwise, can I entertain a motion to move on this item? So move all those in favor, say aye. All those opposed nay. The opinion of the chair. The eyes have it. The do pass recommendation of this ordinance will be reported out at the next City council meeting. October 30, 20, 24. Oh, thank you. Okay. I think may been was is this I hear somebody. I think, I think that's fine. So do we have the last item and agenda? Item number seven is a substitute or ordinance of 2024 dash 0 0 11 0 3 9. Sale of Bacon City owned parcels at six 17 to 6 41 East hundred 34th Street and 6 0 4 2 6 0 8 is a hundred thirty eight thirty fourth place, 628 to 636 East 130 fourth place, 644th to 648 East 130 fourth place, and 106 hundred 56 to 606 East 130 fourth place to neighbor space to assist in development or to farm community Garden. A space including acquisition of 24 additional parcels from the Cook County Land Bank Authority along east hundred 34th Street. Place is 130 fourth place and East 130 fourth Street in land banking agreement among the parties in the 10th Ward. I also wanna clarify, uh, senior Fox Culver spoke on, uh, representation of Riverdale Community Land Trust and she was in support of the item. Just wanna clarify it for the record. Um, uh, will Hollen from the Department of Planning and Development is present on behalf of this ordinance. Thank you, will. Good afternoon. Uh, good afternoon chairman and members of the Committee for the record. My name is Will Holland. I'm a city planner on the Citywide team and Department of Planning and Development. Um, and I'm here to talk about a land transfer, uh, from City of Chicago to neighbor space for Ton Farm, uh, to support community farming, public open space, uh, and interpretation of the Ton Farm historical site. For background, uh, the site is on the Le Calumet River in the far south region. Riverdale, uh, 10th Ward Alderman Chico supports the project. There are 16 city-owned parcels with an area of 1.9 acres. Purchaser is neighbor space. The sale will be a dollar sale per parcel. Um, uses will be for public open space. There'll be a restriction that will keep these properties as public open space, uh, in perpetuity. Uh, the environmental, uh, the phase two reports and remediation cost estimates, uh, are drafted. Uh, the final remediation costs will depend on site layout and end uses. Um, the impact of the project will be this long vacant land along the little Calume River will be developed for public open space. Uh, and this project has been advocated by local organizations for over 10 years. Uh, just a little more project context. The site is outlined in white, uh, you can see that it's just south of the Alt Cal Gardens, uh, community, uh, just to the west of Boian Woods. Uh, the Ton Farm historical site is there on the western edge of the site. There's existing community gardening and farming, uh, occurring, uh, in the center there as well. Uh, this is the current ownership. There's a mix of ownership. There is 16 city owned lots that we're proposing to transfer to neighbor space. There's also 24 properties that are currently owned by Cook County Land Bank Authority. Uh, we are, uh, party to a land banking agreement whereby the Cook County Land Bank Authority acquired these properties through the tax delinquency process. Uh, and those will be transferred to NeighborSpace through a separate agreement. There's also, uh, eight privately owned parcels, uh, that will be acquired by NeighborSpace separately. That's Send Minute Domain. That's what he's trying to Say. The proposed land uses are here on the map. Uh, the, you could see the, in the dark brown orange will be for community agriculture, farming and gardens. Uh, will, uh, neighbor Space will be working with the existing farmers and gardeners to, uh, that propose that site, or sorry, to, uh, improve that site. Uh, there'll also be the forested area and then to the southwest. There, uh, is the Ton Farm historical sites. And for a little background for Ton Farm, uh, ton Farm is a recognized underground railroad site. Uh, the Ton family was a family of Dutch immigrants who were farming the property and provided refuge to Freedom seekers coming up, uh, from the south, passing through Chicago. In 2019, the site was recognized by the National Park Service as the part of their Network to Freedom program. And in 2022, the state of Illinois placed a historical designation marker at this site. Uh, that concludes my presentation and happy to answer any questions. Thank you, alderman Burnett and De Alderwoman Taylor. So, so thank you very much. I think this is a very good project. Um, but I just got a note. Uh, can I see that again? So I happen to, I happen to be on the Board of Neighbor Space, so, um, so I have to recuse myself out of abundance of caution. So I'm taking a Rule 14 on this because I'm on Neighbor Spaces board. But, uh, but, but with that it is, it is volunteer board, no money. But with that, uh, uh, neighbor space is a great organization. Um, this is not imminent domain. Actually. What this is, is, is the city and the county giving the land to a community organization. And the community organization using neighbor spaces, uh, ability to ensure property and their resources in order for them to help them to be able to farm. A lot of people wanna farm and all of those things, but they don't have the money to ensure the property if something happens. Neighbor space insures the property. They also try to get them water and a lot of other things that they use through their non-For-profit, it's a non-for-profit for which some people from the city sits on the board. The park district, the county, the Forest Preserve, we all sit on that board in order to help with public land. This is a public, basically neighbor space is a non-for-profit public organization, uh, which is a board of public, public, uh, governance to help people in the community to be able to get resources in order to do these type of things. So, I, I commend, uh, neighbor space, of course. Uh, but I think this is a good project. And con congratulations to the people in that community who wants to farm. They may be farming already, uh, without having insurance or water or any of those other things. What this does is it helps them to become cooperated. Thank you. Alright. Alder Member Burnett. I just wanna make sure. So Alder Member Burnett and the Rule 14 will be recusing himself from the vote. Um, so he will not be voting on this item, just for the record. And also wanna make sure, just because I don't wanna assume like, previous items that we do have support from the local alderman, I'm assuming. Yes. We have a letter of support from Alderman Chiko. Okay. Uh, alderman Taylor. So this don't seem like a very good project when you got people here who are saying they don't want the project or they were not included, or that was not a conversation. What I'm tired of us doing is not listening to the people of the community. Because I'm looking at four letters that say no. Am I correct, chairman, we see four letters from folks who took the time out to say that they did not want this. And so, I don't know who Ton Farms is. Is that a local farming? Is those folks from Ton Farm is the, uh, the family of Dutch immigrants who, uh, farm the land, uh, a hundred years over a hundred years ago? I was just about to say, you said hundreds of years ago, Over a hundred years ago. I got your sister. But you're talking about doing something that we historically, 'cause we historically mistreat the people in Argo Gardens think about the land that they already live on. And, and so let me stop you before you say anything else. I ain't heard of no community meetings. I ain't heard of nothing being done other than letters where I'm looking to say this is indigenous land. This is the Underground Railroad. And we would not take accountability. The people who actually live around there. This definitely we gonna be holding this, this, this, this does y'all, lemme tell y'all something. I, and, and this is no disrespect to you. I lived in Bronzeville before y'all was gonna bring the Olympics there. And y'all literally forced folks out of those communities where y'all wanna develop what y'all do wanna develop. These folks have been here for years. And there are a bunch of gardens that I know on it. So I'm looking, can you go back to the slide with the Sure. With the land property on it, how many of those you say own belong to the city? 16. So 16 of them, these other have every owner who already has land agreed to allow this happening. And what com What, tell me how many community meetings y'all had, The community, there were two previous plans that identified the ton Farm as a, as a sort of a goal. Was there a community vote? Was there a community? What? And tell me what is the community benefiting or what are they getting for actually having them on this land? Because from what I know, and I'm born and raised in Chicago, I'm born and Braided Hill. So ain't nothing you could really tell me about none of these communities. But I see people using that land. And so by us giving it to these folks, are they gonna stop folks from fishing? Are they gonna stop these folks from gardening? What, what is the community benefit from any of this? And this is no respect, no disrespect to neighbor space. 'cause I've done projects with neighbor space. My problem is y'all continue to do s**t and not talk to the community. People in the community who should have a say. So did y'all offer it to the, the farmers who are already there? The people who are already gardening there? Have y'all talked to the community? 'cause we, what we should have on all of this, the right first refusal, which allows the people in the community to say this what we want to be. Let's, because y'all give money to everybody else, but y'all don't seem to be offering it to the people who are actually doing that. And this is no respect, no disrespect to Peter Chico, but he just got this in his war. Let's be honest, this was not part of his war. Let's, he got it in the remap. And so I wanna know what y'all have done actively to make sure and don't gimme the 'cause. Y'all love bringing the community members that gonna go along to get along. I'm interested in that. I'm interested in conversations y'all had with the community abroad to say what's gonna happen in the land and what is the community benefit. Yes. So there is an MOU between neighbor space and five community partner organizations. Uh, these will all be project partners, Community organizations. Yes. People for community recovery, alt Guild, Murray Homes, alumni Association. What was the first one? People for Community Recovery. Mm-Hmm. Alt Guild. Murray Homes Alumni Association. Golden Gate Homeowners Association, Riverdale Community Land Trust and Underground Railroad Station. We've had River, The Riverdale Ade, Riverdale Community Land Trust, Please. So we can continue line of, uh, I'll, So these are, have you all talked to everybody there? Yes. We've had meetings, uh, we've had two meetings with this group of project partners. How many partners do you already, how many people who are already gardening that are actually on this space right now? How many, Uh, the neighbor space has been talking with the, uh, the existing community gardeners and farmers? The city has not, uh, spoken with them. Yeah. Could I Think, hold on please. Y'all let, 'cause I need, I need for y'all to hear 'em and I wanna be able to hear 'em. So tell me everybody that is farming on that space that you're giving me 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 people. I need to know everybody that's on that land. 'cause this the problem. We'll go to the people who agree with us, who wanna go along with us, who stand to benefit from us, but we don't reach out to everybody. I need to know. And I'm, I'm, I'm definitely, I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm gonna know and I'm gonna ask them to hold this. And this is no disrespect to you. Mm-Hmm. But I hate that we do this all the time. We get the people that are going along and agree with us without talking to everybody. Because how do we know that the folks who are already currently gardening don't want more space with? And then what, what is gonna be what happens to the community when they wanna go fish? What, what's gonna happen to the people who want to do stuff and they're, they don't have access to this land. I need to know all that. So, and, uh, if I may, there will be a future community planning process for this site. We've got the proposed land uses, but this will be a part of a future community led planning effort, uh, where these five project partners will be driving a community led process for, uh, designing this state. Well, I, I'll also, um, like to hear from the applicant and all neighbors space representative is here. Mm-Hmm. Because as Lum and Taylor pointed out, this came from the, this change of this change words. So perhaps you can share a little bit more, uh, and for the record, you can identify yourself. And, um, uh, for, for the record, uh, what organization belong? Yeah. I'm Ben Heand. I'm executive director of NeighborSpace. Um, specifically to the farmers. Uh, we've been meeting with the farmers there going back 12 or 13 years. I've been out there meeting with them one on one. There's about seven to 10 farmers that have been consistently farming there. We've met with them. Uh, we've been working with Mr. Gaines, uh, whose family is the owner of the Miracle Marina. Just on the other side of the property here. Chicago's finest. Chicago's Finest. Sorry, I had it back. That's the other mur. That's the marina that's a little bit farther over. But, uh, uh, Mr. Gaines is also the person behind the Underground Railroad station, which is one of the partners on the MOU. But he's been hosting meetings with the farmers, uh, over a number of years. Stop. So hold on. Yeah. I'll hold up. Please, please come off. Um, so they know, they know what is happening. We've already been working with them to actually make, to, uh, provide some improvements. They wanted fencing. So we provide, provided some fencing materials last summer. Uh, we've been talking with them about the environmental mediation. Yeah. So it's just like, if you've got these five to seven groups out there, why are they allowed to run and support the land? Why do we have to get whoever Tom's farm is to do it? What do you mean Tom's to? So to farm is just the, I mean, to farm is the historic Dutch farm. That was an underground railroad site. And the area in red is the portion of this project that is focused on that, uh, that piece of it, that's an archeological site essentially. The orange area is where people are currently farming or have historically farmed over the last 20 to 80 years. Really? Right now, the concentration of farming is on the, uh, you know, farther to, to the east. Um, and we've been working with those farmers, uh, for many years. And they're part of the team here we are. How many farmers are there in, uh, in total, there's Only about seven or eight that are currently farming. And they farm sites that are about, you know, half the size of this room. Um, and the goal of this project is to keep them exactly where they are, to disturb them as little as possible to enhance what they're doing and really to give them a bigger footprint. Um, What is, tell me what the community benefits is. I Mean, the community benefit is that, uh, that, that they can remain farming in perpetuity and won't be displaced. 'cause the land, honestly, since I've been involved with this project, the ownership has changed hands multiple times. They could have been displaced at any moment. Um, but by us preserving this land on behalf of the community, they're able to keep farming forever. And their children, we're not gonna do that. And then we're able to preserve the, the, the historic site so that the community can invest in interpretation. And that's why the community wants it to be a, a draw. They want. It's, it's really a site that involves multiple benefits. So it's the historic site, it's the community farming. They want river access. People have talked about fishing. We've been down there. We see the fishing spots down there. This plan is to preserve the fishing spots so that they can get to them easier so that they're permanent so that these will not end up being condos along the river. And we're working hand in hand with the Riverdale Land Trust so that we're focusing on the open space piece. The Riverdale Land Trust is focusing on, uh, the other economic development pieces, housing and businesses, all with the red line extending, you know, You saying that. But everybody who testified said that they didn't want it. But so if they wanted it so bad and the letters here say no, there should be Three letters of support from one from the Riverdale Community Land Trust in support of it. Um, I believe Dolores is the all, uh, a guild. Murray Homes Alumni Association Building Gates Association, I believe is hers. Oh my mistake. Golden Gate Homeowners Association. Um, but we were sent at least two that were in support of it. I don't, I don't know what you're looking at, but, but I'm looking at where it says Neighbor spaces of fraud. Yeah. For the, this is non for the record non indigenous group. And not, maybe you Should. Yeah, I don't live in, in Riverdale. This is true. But we, as you know, we don't. And so let me, we do it on behalf of You Got you. Got a bunch of people divided. It's your responsibility and it's the city's responsibility to figure out how this community, everybody kinda gets what they want. And that's hard. Yeah, that hard that take a And so tell me when you all had the last couple of meetings, 'cause you saying they've been meeting for 10, 20, 30 years. What, tell me, when was the last actual in-person meeting that you had with the community stakeholders? I mean, the last one would've been with the Riverdale Community Land Trusts six, six weeks ago or a month ago. But they've personally gone door to door all around this site talking with people about the plan. Tell me what All Riverdale plays into it. Are they, 'cause this is city the land, city land, right? Uh, these, I mean, these five groups are the partners who have come together to guide this, this project. And they're all 100% from the community. They represent community. You, you missing the question. All of this is on City on Land, correct? It's city and county land currently. So It's city. And so tell me, what role does the Riverdale folks play in this? Or what role will they play or, Well, Yeah, I mean, I can share with you the, Are they convening meetings? Are they talking to 'cause They have been Yeah, I'm just, yeah, lots of them. And they've been holding, so they've been holding meetings at the, at the library just north of here. They held meetings over several summers at the marina where they invited community members to come in and talk about this. There's been, I mean, honestly, more community involvement in this project than almost any project I've, I've been a part of. Um, and the fact that there's five, 100% indigenous groups that are in support of this and dedicated to working on this. Hold on. It won't change. Jim. I got Y'all. Yeah. I'm happy to share the MOU with you if you, if you want. Yes, Please. Can you, y'all should have brought a copy of it because would've shared it with, Um, but the MOU lays out it like our, our, the principles of what the group has agreed to. Um, I I could read the, the opening if you want. That would be, can you tell me? Okay. So it says something about, upon our tribal lands, Moorish National of Turtle Island and Illinois Territory. Can you explain that? I don't, I don't, I'm not familiar with, okay. I mean, I know about Turtle Island, but the, Say it again. I know about Turtle Island, but I don't, that's not from the MOU. I don't know what you're reading from. Okay. I'm I'm gonna pass you this. This was, can you give that, that's, those are the type of letters you're receiving these Four groups. What they've written is, our collective goal is to create a site that will support multiple community priorities, including, but not limited to community farming, river access and trails, habitat restoration, community connectivity, and responsible stewardship interpretation of the Historic Town Farm and Underground Railroad site. Underground Railroad. Hold on. So for me, this is us having, hey, a bigger meeting with just this, this group indigenous. You see what we read, right? Yeah, I see it. I've gotten four mortals and I don't know if they're from the same people. And like I said, that's not my experience with Neighbor Space, but honestly, this, again, we're doing what we we're going against the community when it comes to this. Sure. Because they're not in agreement and maybe they don't understand what the community benefits. I don't live there. Yeah. And so, but we should be listening to the people that actually live there. That's what I thought we were doing with these five groups. But do you have the letters of support as I, well, was gonna say, who was the letters of support Come from For, for the record, I, I wanna read Land. I I'm gonna read the, the letters of support because that was, uh, this, this meeting reconvened from Friday because there was no quorum. Yeah. So the letters of support that were submitted on Friday, uh, as follow, uh, Delores Lucas was the president of Golden Gate Homeowners Association. Um, and the founder of, we Keep You Rolling. Bike and Wellness Group. Laura, um, Laura Bergson from the Director of Restoration on Trails and Openlands who testified earlier. Um, and John Paul Jones, the co-founder of the Red Line Extension. Those are some of the things that, those are the letters that were submitted on, um, on Friday. Uh, I will make sure that you get those letters as well so that you, you know, we wanna make sure that they're on the record. Yeah, yeah. Um, in addition, we are trying to see maybe Alderman Chico, uh, can join via Zoom because of course we wanna make sure that he shares with his colleague with our, you know, with our committee members. Um, the engagement process and any other pending questions. Um, I do think that Alderman Taylor, uh, we like to share, you know, we like to, uh, is he, is he can, can I get a Rule 59 to approve? Yeah. So Move Alderman, uh, by Chair Mitchell. All those in favor? So all those opposing A So we like to approve Alderman Chico, uh, who is now on the, on the Zoom to make sure that he's able to share, um, his Alderman Chico. Can you hear us? I can. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you now if you wanna share, I know that there being some questions, being some questions City members around, um, around the proposal with Neighbor Space in your ward. So if you wanna share with the committee members, um, your position on this matter. Uh, I'm in support of this. We had a meeting, um, with the Chicago Finance Marina where the ton Farm site sits on and the community members looking to, um, developed the, the parcels. And we had a very robust conversation and we were all in agreement. And they, they, they, they were all supportive of it. Alderman Chico. Can I ask a question? How long was this? Is, was this an original 10 or? This came through during the remap. So this, this part of the ward used to be the ninth Ward. This is now in the 10th ward. That's all I got. Uh, chairman, I'm gonna know. So I'm gonna take a roll call on this item. Um, so we're gonna take a, yeah, I are you still maintaining your motion or just wanna be recorded as a No, I so make a motion. I feel like we are getting part of the story. We are hearing one thing from the folks just do roll call motion down here and we get emails. 'cause that's, I actually got another email that was sent to my personal email. Mm-Hmm. That says kind of the same thing and it talks about all the issues. And what we can't do is continue to record. I'm just saying. Thank you Alman Taylor. Um, so we are gonna have a, we're gonna call a motion, uh, or can, can, uh, you wanna take a motion? Can we take a motion on this item? Can we take a roll call on this item? May we have a roll call on the motion to hold this item? So we're gonna take a roll call, official roll call on on, um, on even holding this item on committee moving forward. Uh, no, no. On holding the item. Ali women Taylor Ali Women Clay wo Allworth. So swing Voters. Juan Rosado doesn't pay much attention to politics, but the Humble Park resident says a Trump friendly committee. Okay. There's a And can we get anybody on the, on zoom as well? I do admit Chicago. Ariel Latino elected admit plan to spend the next week mobilizing in swing states. Aye. Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania and Nevada. So unfortunately we're not able to get quorum. Um, so Is an I. OMI is an I. So I think that we don't have enough members. So we are gonna hold the item until next. Next, um, uh, housing committee meeting, just because we unfortunately don't have quorum. Uh, we'll encourage of course, the, uh, applicant as well. Zuman, um, Peter Chico to make sure that we'll, we'll perhaps call the item first next time to ensure that we have quorum when we take the vote. So this item has, will be holding committee, um, the meeting on the housing committee. Rait, uh, a real estate does not have any more items. So being no further business before the committee, can I get a motion to recommend approval to adjourn? So move all claim. All those in favor say aye. Right? All those opposing name in opinions of the chair, the ayes have it. The committee has reset, is officially adjourned. Thank you all.