called to order.
We will now have a roll call to establish a quorum. Please
note that a? Yes or present. May response. May be deemed.
Yes. Vote, when a quorum call a roll, call is used for
later items to be called
Vice chair Robinson.
Alderman Hall. Okay.
Alderman Mitchell.
Alderwoman Lee.
Alderman. Curtis
Alderwoman Taylor.
Alderman Mosley.
Alderwoman tabaris.
Alderman, nerving.
Alderman, Cardona.
Alderman spazo.
Alderwoman Nugent.
Alderman Napolitano.
Alderman. Kitson
Alderman Gardner.
Alderwoman clay.
Alderwoman Silverstein.
We have 10 members present. We do have a quorum.
Pursuant to rule 59.
Alderman Hall.
Alderman Mitchell in Alderman, Gardiner have requested to
appear by video conference.
Can I get a motion for the approval of the listed automated
to appear by conference?
So, move by alderwoman Lee.
We do have Alderman Hall.
And Alderman Gardner present. Uh, we do not have Alderman
Mitchell present.
Thank you, everyone. Thank you Alderman. Gardener will be
included.
For purposes.
We will now have public comment at this time. Each speaker
will be given 10 minutes to speak. Our first speaker will
begin with Thomas McMahon
You can set up front door or either stand with the
microphone. It's up to you.
Oh, good morning. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Tom
McMahon.
Got it. Thank you.
I hope this is better. All right, good morning, ladies and
gentlemen. My name is Tom McMahon, I'm a retired Captain
with Chicago Police Department, having served this city and
its citizens for 37 years.
Since my retirement, I've been active in the Ninth Ward and
the fifth Police District.
Which brings me to the election of, am I being elected to
the fifth district police Council?
We in this Council are nominating committee have reviewed a
number of people for the position of the commission.
And I'm here in support of 1 particular individual.
His name is Angel Navaro.
Now you're going to hear a lot about this young man, he's
quite an outstanding candidate. He truly is for his age a
bridge builder. He's been able to bridge. Build build
Bridges between the community and the police. Now I can go
on and explore his virtues but I have a letter here from a
commander of the 20th District. Now if you know commanders
commanders, they're not the kind of people that write
letters easily. In fact, they usually hand that stuff down
to captains. I know so,
All right, so whom it may concern. I am pleased to be
writing a letter of recommendation for Angel navarijo. I
had the pleasure of meeting, an angel, upon my assignment,
in the 20th, district from the onset, I have noticed Angel
to be very engaged in all aspects of Public Safety,
especially community policing Angel has worked well with
our caps office, our Outreach partners, and the newly
established District Council Angel has mitigated issues
such as gain crimes, the migrant crisis, techn
technological challenges, and a variety of other Public
Service needs. He has the education and experience to excel
in public service and make a difference with a degree in
political science. From Loyola University, Angel has gained
a strong
Foundation to establish a leadership role in his future
endeavors. This paired with his volunteer opportunities and
internships have enabled him to be a comprehensive
well-rounded individual, Angel has worked for different
older, persons, from the 40th and 48th Wards which has
increased his overall knowledge of Public Service. Angel
has come very far in his very young age to prove. He can be
an effective leader in public service. As a son of an
immigrant family. Angel is overcome many challenges that
society places on us. All his work ethic vision and desire
to succeed our second to none. I wholeheartedly recommend
Angel Navaro to be selected as a member of the community
Commission on public safety and accountability. Ladies and
gentlemen, I concur with the letter written and I would ask
you to support that. Thank you very much for your time.
Thank you, Mr. McMahon, our next speaker Mr. Bob Johnson.
Mr. Johnson.
good morning, older persons, and the chairman
My name is Bob Johnson.
And I am a member of the district council. 18 representing
Linkin Park Street, Deville, and River North.
And member of the nominating committee.
It is appropriate appropriate that I appeared before you
the police and fire committee this morning as I have spent
my career in public safety. 7 years. As a police officer 33
years is a firefighter paramedic retiring as a career fire
chief.
I urge that this committee approve the appointment of anel
Ruby Navaro.
To the commission.
Or our inaugural nominating process, we received over 100
applications.
Including many youth applications.
From his application and his interview Angel anal, stood
out as an exceptionally strong candidate.
Not just among youth applicants, but among all applicants.
We were honored and excited to nominate him.
At just age of 23 years, Angela's extensive experience,
working at multiple levels of government.
He has demonstrated ability to work collaboratively say
that again, collaboratively with the police and extremely
significant and timely public safety issues, garnering him
a glowing recommendation that you just heard from the 20th
District Commander,
He also demonstrates, some of you on police and Public
Safety.
He recognizes the needs of community members and the needs
of police officers.
His goal is not to draw a division.
But to cultivate Trust.
As envisioned by the ccpsa ordinance.
It would be extremely challenging to find anyone as
compelling as an Hill.
With his skills experiences, backgrounds and passion for
public service.
Especially if vanilla gets rejected, it will only make it
more difficult to attract good youth candidates to apply.
I would like to close with a quote from 1 of Van Hill's
statements in his application.
And I quote, I am eager to bring my diverse experiences.
Leadership skills.
And dedication to public service to the commission.
Chicago has provided me love, acceptance, and opportunity.
I want to give back by helping Bridge, The Divide between
our community and the police department.
Furthermore, I believe that it is a time where being a
young person is difficult.
They must see representation of a young leader.
Taking initiative and having a voice of reason and Public
Safety accountability dialogue and I thank you for your
time.
Thank you, Mr. Johnson, our next speaker,
Is I believe that sound Elaine bahena.
Miss bahena.
All right, good morning. Good morning, elders. And
chairman, my name is Ian bana, and I'm a lifelong resident
of little village. I'm incredibly proud to hold 2 roles
with the city of Chicago 1, as the elected member of the
district, council 10. And as Chief of Staff of the 22nd
Ward,
Today, I'm here as a member of the nominating committee and
I urge that this committee approved, the appointment of
aner Ruby Navaro to the commission.
And his confirmation is urgently needed to ensure the
commission has enough members to meet its responsibilities.
The commission is only a 7-person public body currently
operating with 6 members recently, commissioner, Kelly
Presley announced that she'll be resigning at the end of
October.
If the commission drops to only 5 members it would
significantly undermine its ability to successfully oversee
CPD Coppa and the police board. This is a critical time for
the commission as it begins. Its per annual performance,
evaluations of gold setting for the CPA CPD superintendent,
kopa Chief and police board, president. It's a terrible
time to leave. Its 2 members short if he is rejected. The
commission may not complete until well into 202025.
Of course, these urgency shouldn't negate a thorough
consideration of whether anel is the right person for the
job. In this case on his clearly, the right person for this
job, anel, the son of immigrants and documented youth
within such a much needed voice to community commission
meant to represent, all of Chicago. He is exceptionally
accomplished. Especially for someone at his age and carries
a nuanced. Look of Public, Safety and policing issues. This
is an excerpt from and his response to an application
question. Asking about his experience. Engaging with people
at the state of policing in ordinance, requirement for the
Commissioners. He said, our Ward encompasses Asian Argyle,
a diverse neighborhood, that encompasses marginalized
communities. The relationship with the police. There is not
great, especially with some of our businesses in the
community that stretch of reward also happens to Encompass.
80% of all our
Violent crime. It has been nothing. But a challenge to men,
trust with our office CPD, and our other Public Safety
Partners. I am proud to write that after consistent. And
adamant attempts, we have a strong business engagement
strategy. This consists of bi-weekly check-ins with Street,
ambassadors meeting with neighbors community, site checks.
and I have successfully helped, and acquisition of foot
patrol officers on Argyle. We have also created a stronger
Connections in our mental health, with our Mental Health
Partners to bolster the capacity of treatment needed in the
community.
This answer shows on his real world experience and speaks
to the kind of commissioner, he will be an end and the
Civic leader. He's destined to become in response to the
concerns about conflicts based on his, uh, job as an older
stuff, he has developed a robust work agreement, that will
barricade him from engaging with public safety issues for
the Alder, as someone who wears multiple hats to best
serve, the city of Chicago. I'm confident that he will be
able to balance it. And his work of re, with the older
woman, I has agreed. He was separate has all dramatic and
ccps work. Clearly identify himself with Baron,
constituencies, and recuse, social media to arise for these
reasons. I asked that you the committee approved on his
appointment. Thank you.
Bahena.
Our next speaker is Elizabeth Rockford.
Miss Rockford.
Alders and chair tell Aero my name is Elizabeth Ratchford,
and I'm a member of the nominating committee for the 17th
District Council.
I urge that this committee approve, the appointment of anel
Ruby Navaro to the commission by ordinance. The commission
is supposed to operate with at least 2, North Side
Commissioners, at least 2 Youth Commissioners without anel.
The commission has not been able to meet these
requirements. The commission also currently lacks any
representation from the Latino community.
Not only would onhow provide the commission with the
perspective of a huge ethnic population in Chicago. He
would also provide the commission with the perspective of
Chicago's immigrant community.
This is particularly important in my North Side District.
This Factor should not be overlooked 1 of the key purposes.
Of the commission, is to build trust between the police and
And Chicago's many communities. Imagine what difference it
would make for the many immigrant around, Chicago to know
that the commission has someone like that on that that
stage
Imagine what that will do in terms of cultivating, a better
relationship between police and immigrant communities,
regardless of what your views are about, the migrant
crisis, it is an issue that hits home on matters of Public
Safety and community policing.
The commission, needs someone who can recognize the Deep
issues inherent in how policing impacts immigrants.
There is just no way around it.
With his life experience and work experience on how
couldn't be better positioned to make a positive impact on
the commission's ability to hear from and speak to the
needs of all Chicagoans. We therefore urge a yes, vote on
on Hill. Thank you.
Thank you, Miss rochville. Uh, the chairman recognizes Vice
chair, Robinson Alderman. Curtis and altemus pisado for
purposes of roll call.
Mr. Sam schenberg.
Good morning. My name is Sam schenberg. Thank you for
hearing from me. I'm a Police District. Counselor
representing more than 200,000 Chicagoans in the 19th.
Police District on Chicago's north side.
I helped lead the district council. Nominating committee
through its first ever nominations for Commissioners to the
community commission for Public Safety and accountability.
I joined my fellow nominators today in urging this
committee to promptly, confirm anel Ruby navarijo
appointment to the ccpsa.
The nominating committee worked diligently over 9 months,
to create an execute, a rigorous nominations process for
ccpsa commissioners.
We approved an extensive application and rubric to ensure
commission candidates for the requirements of the ccpsa
ordinance.
And reflected the values and experience needed to improve,
Chicago, policing and Public Safety.
we spent hundreds of hours reviewing more than 100
applications for this role and conducted more than 30
interviews of the top applications, we received
With his experience at all levels of government, public,
safety, Acumen, and distinct vision for the role Mr. Ruby
navarijo emerged, as 1 of the most qualified of any
candidate that we evaluated. And that's not even accounting
for the fact that he is 23 years old.
And would fill a spot reserved for youth between ages, 18
and 24.
In creating the nomination process, the nominating
committee knew that it would be important to ensure
Commissioners had the capacity to do this job.
As part of that, we asked our staff to survey all interim
Commissioners. About the time they spent on commission
business, excluding the commission, president who naturally
devoted a greater share of his time to commission work, the
other 6 Commissioners, reported spending between 2 and
about 20 hours on the commission each week.
The average came to about 13 and a half hours per week on
commission business. And I have a copy of that survey here.
If anyone would like to see it,
I have full confidence that Mr. Ruby navarijo can balance
his full-time job with the part-time hours. The commission
requires much, like most other Commissioners, balance their
own full-time, careers and commissioned work.
It's hard for me to imagine a candidate particularly, for a
youth commission, seat more qualified than Mr. Ruby
navarijo to serve on the ccpsa, the youth Commissioners are
full members of the 7 member body and it is not a training
wheels position. He is fully ready to go on day 1.
The nominating committee stands firmly behind his
appointment and this committee and the full city council
should promptly confirm Mr. Ruby Navaro. So that more than
6 months after he was nominated, he can finally get to work
for the people of Chicago. And I urge a, yes, vote on his
confirmation. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you
Mr. Schanberg, our next speaker is Miss Jessica Jackson.
Miss Jackson.
The security.
Good morning, good morning. Um, I'm glad to see that
Alderman. William Hall is by um remote participation.
Yesterday.
He made a comment to me well he's brand. He made it as he
was running out to Chambers.
That I was a paid political Shield.
and I, uh,
Someone before had asked me, all the Republicans paying me
to uh, to be here.
I want to make this Crystal Clear.
first of all,
No, I am not. But on top of that, even if I was
What are you gonna do about it?
I vote higher if I want to vote.
And I promote, whoever I want to promote.
My parents.
was in Jim Crow, South
They took water holes, dog bites.
going through the back door, this and that
For that right to vote.
Which means that I can do anything, I want to with it, it
don't have to be okay with nobody.
If you don't like what I say, you do like, what you, uh,
uh, Silverstein and them. Did you get up and go? I guess.
But don't nobody have to pay me.
To know what's best for me.
I just left from over there.
And lost since meeting. Well, 1 more time. He deliberately
sat there by later, the rights of the public speaker over
there shuffle through the papers picture. He wanted to
pick,
just like the Democratic party pick who they want to pick.
For us to vote on, I don't want to vote for Carmela Harris.
I don't want to vote for the Democratic party nationally
because I'm looking at what happened to my city.
I'm looking at if Chicago is 1 billion dollars,
In the hole because of illegal immigration. Then what is
the rest of the country?
How much is this, cost? The rest of the country and where is
it going to fall on property taxes? I don't care what you
say, that's where it's going to land on property taxes. So
if Trump and the Republican Party can straighten this out
and engage in massive deportation, which is going to
protect the black community, which is going to protect
black jobs. We're just going to protect my black money.
Yeah. And he better be worried about these preachers that
he plugged into.
That's what he on.
Getting money from these black preachers.
That's what he better be worried about how he's
manipulating Church.
To grab this money and back about my business because I'm
62 years old, I vote how I want to vote.
Thank you. Miss Jackson.
Our next speaker is Mr. Taiwan Sims.
Mr. Sims with me?
Talk about my stuff boy.
anyway, um, so in regards to
The 1 billion dollar.
That fall and this road to recovery, I had sat down and
just read over because I was imagining why they want to
keep why they keep shooting that shot spotter.
Why do they keep shooting that shot shot spot? Especially
since we the black Americans benefit from it.
And that's hard to that. That's a hardship. Another
hardship when you got to say, admit that something that's
going to save lives, something that deters crime is
something that you benefit from. However, I looked at it
and it said that there's a 538 million structured shortfall
wrote up in there. It's structured. That mean that's
something y'all look forward to. That's expenditures and
Taxation and whatever but that's
Structured 538 million.
So I can imagine that it's 11 million, they said 11
million. So y'all put a price on safety.
Because here every every and it's not, this is not been 1
meeting 2 meetings, this was when the ccpsa was being built
then, Larry, it's, it's been ridiculous. But we benefit
from it. Not, what's his name? Andre a vast Velasquez
Vasquez. Who said, when he stood up he said I don't have it
in my ward. What we needed in our Wards and until we don't
need a needed in our Wards. We need to focus on keeping it
in our city.
And why y'all continue to write off y'all budgets towards
the initiative? Y'all new arrival initiative and y'all keep
scrambling and scrambling every little dollar and dime Out
of the Black American Community understand that, we need
it.
We need it. These are not talking points. These are
sincerity.
These are not talking points. I don't get paid for this.
I'm talking for my people, we need it when somebody can get
up. So come and say, oh, it's not in my neighborhood, but
then have talking points against it.
but be a representative of the people, how
This y'all colleague. Y'all going to make the decision on
the 22nd? We looking at the what they call the Doomsday.
That's hard. That's horrible. Black people boy, we get all
those little titles but enough is enough and we just don't
get to sit back and watch. Y'all try for over x amount of
dollars and still write. Try to write yet another budget
short for all off in our community.
In Black Americans.
so, let's try to adjust whatever other
Part of the books, y'all going to burn up.
and stay out of us, because
Once again shot spotter should not be taking shots. It's a
necessity y'all. Let Public Safety to erode to that point.
That every weekend, there's headlines about 20 or 30, black
people, or people shot. Y'all can, y'all can do y'all
inference.
And who all got shot that weekend and who all got murdered
that weekend.
Thank you, Mr. Sims
Our next speaker, Mr. George Blake Moore.
Hey, Joe me.
Already working for all off and all.
He already had for y'all.
Okay, he young and gifted.
And Hispanic, we have many, many young gifted black men.
So, the problem with this illegal immigrant, but they are
Hood working, our people, you are focusing on the, the
Venezuela, you should be focused on the next scan.
That's constantly crossing the Rio Grande.
Coming in constantly but they got you looking at the
Venezuelan, the games are being played here. This dog and
pony show here, they get up and they go over here, a
revolving door, but they must have a coral and since they
don't have this Coral, some come in and others go out.
You do a good job where you already working?
And Public Safety is another piece of whatever.
Community policeman, you know what you can do with the
police department, it get more black police
Who live in the ghetto?
But, but you play a game, most other policemen are white.
And it's standing. And then a small percentage of black
where they have high crime in the back ghetto. Why not high
more black police? They say the blacks don't want to be
policemen. Who's recruiting them for this hundred thousand
dollar job plus more.
Why do you play games?
Let him do a good job where he's already working for that
ultimate.
Just work there.
And are you gonna get a little stacking for this 1? I don't
know.
But the big picture is not the, the Venezuelan, but the
next skin they are working everywhere.
They're everywhere and they don't wait across the river or
grand to help black people.
They come over to help themselves.
So, that's the big picture, the white matter is choosing
somebody else to run the plantation.
And it's not Black Power.
it's not black people, but you still have Black Faces in
high places for for Sanctuary your black, a knee sanctuary.
In the ghetto.
Your permanent underclass and a cast system. This is not
India right here in America. So the games that people play
the donkey show, some of them leave out and another come in
and leave in come in. They don't have a card. So this is a
new level of the doodoo with this accountability man.
Throw my mini. Thank you, Mr. Blakemore, our next speaker
is Oswaldo Gomez, Mr. Gomez.
You heard me and that's love me.
He just crazy about me.
They talk to me.
They?
I deal with a big picture of a man.
Not the Venezuelan.
He's a Mexican.
All right, you let me know when I can start.
We can hear you. Okay. Beautiful. Good morning. Good
morning. My name is Lila Gomez.
Um, some of you might remember me or know me as a former
commissioner for the community commission for Public
Safety, I served in its first iteration as an interim
commissioner.
And I was actually 1 of the appointed youth commissioners.
Uh, for transparency sake, I will say that, I am a staff
member at the ccpsa, but I am not speaking. Uh as a staff
member Noir from that perspective, I am speaking from my
experience as a resident and as a former interim,
commissioner
Serving as a commissioner, was 1 of the greatest pleasures
of my life. I've lived in Chicago for the majority of my
life. I love the city. It's my first love.
And I can also attest that it was 1 of the hardest
experiences 1 of the most trying times of my life because
to do that job. Well, you really have to put yourself in in
a different position than the regular resident. You really
have to assess all the different viewpoints and you really
need to have a level of expertise that the average. Chicago
1 might not be able to take
And I say this because this experience has really shown me
that someone like anel is exactly the kind of person that
we need in this position.
In his young age, she's already proven that he has a lot of
government experience that will help them make tough
decisions, decisions as big and as impactful as who will be
the next superintendent of the police department, or
whether or not something like the Chicago, gang database is
needed in a city with 3 million people.
I say this again because the time to act is now the process
to get here has been long as some of the previous District
councils have mentioned. It's taken the review of 22
elected officials.
Over a year of vetting and applications the review of the
mayor and his team.
And 6 months of waiting after his approval by the mayor's
for us to get to this point. The time to act is now
I'd also like to remind you all that. There is an immediate
need to make this decision before another vacancy opens.
Another commission, another commissioner will be stepping
down for personal reasons, and leaving the commission with
5 members will greatly debilitate its ability to exercise.
Its mandate
We've heard from the board of Ethics, a verbal, uh,
decision by the Department of Law.
And from other sources that there is no inherent conflict
of interest. And you've also heard from some District
counselors who serve in Elder manic offices and who also
serve as council members. There is great reason to believe
that this will not impact the work that he does as a staff
member for the council and if anything, it will better the
city because we need great people that are made of the
right stuff and I wholeheartedly believe that ano has the
right qualifications to serve the city.
Thank you, Mr. Um, Gomez
Our next speaker. Miss Doris Lewis.
Miss Lewis.
Thank you very much.
Good morning. I'm beginning to wonder if this body really
cares about the city of Chicago, or if you are only
concerned about your award,
And I say that because in Reading what the mayor just said
that shot spotter is a walkie-talkie.
Well, that Walker talki helps to save lives.
And some of your most vulnerable communities particularly
black communities. So I find that to be very insulting for
the mayor of the city of Chicago to make that kind of
statement.
It's a hundred million dollars. That's what he's saying,
we're saving.
So if those hundred million dollars can save lives, why
would the mayor make such ridiculous statement? And as a
legislative body, you're in a position to vote against
these ordinances. These these whatever the mayor is
proposing for you to support. You're in a position to
oppose that especially if it's not for the good of the city
and to remove spot, shutter would not be for the good of
the city. We have a billion dollar deficit this city is in
trouble.
We're in a crisis. We spent over 600 million dollars for
illegal immigrants.
To the detriment of citizens of this city.
And we're going to have to pay for it. The taxpayers poor
people. Middle-class people, people who don't work people
in, this city will be paying for that deficit. You're going
to have to increase taxes. That's the only way you can
resolve it.
So I'm saying to this body, please stop supporting these
legislations that are not good for the citizens of Chicago.
This is my city. I love this city. I do whatever I can to
make this city a better place, but we cannot do it. If the
legislative body does not get involved, if the legislative
body at some point and time does not say mayor, we cannot
support that. You cannot only just be concerned about your
ward, because whatever happens in this city is going to
eventually come to your ward violence and everything else.
So don't just think about it. Well this is in the black
community so I'm not concerned. Well if you have that
mentality then you don't care about this city. The city is
in trouble. We have all of these illegal immigrants
everywhere. Pushing black people out of their homes. You
know it's it's just not right and there has it has to be a
stop. You have to at some point in time, say to the mayor
of the city of Chicago, who says that spot shot is a
walkie-talkie. You have to say to him. No mayor. It's not.
It's there to save lives. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Miss Lewis. Our next speaker is Aisha. Humphries
Miss Humphries.
Thank you.
Good morning. Good morning, all doesn't shireman. My name
is Aisha. Humphries
I am the nominating Committee Member of the sixth district
council which includes Auburn Crusher and chadam and 6
warts. Uh 689 1718 and 21. I am here to urge the committee
to approve the appointment of Mr. Anhile Navaro to the
ccpsa.
The nominating committee spent hundreds of hours,
developing a rigorous selection process in line with the
ordinance. Reviewing applications conducting interviews and
engaging in sometimes very, very spirited debate.
Our committee is comprised of 22 members with very
different opinions.
but we were all committed to selecting a permanent
commission, reflective of both the letter and spirit of
of the ordinance.
The committee process report that was released in May of 24
highlights. Our work questions, addressed concerns from
committee members including myself,
That candidates be independent.
Competent, fair and collaborative.
This is difficult work, but we care deeply about this city.
And we believe we all deserve Commissioners who can excel
in this work.
I believe we achieve this goal with the mayor's selection
of the 7 nominees in May including unhail'd.
He was considered highly qualified and had broad support
among the committee. As you can see from the comments
today.
He had an understanding of the commission's role and
responsibilities, he highlighted his experience, working
with many different type of stakeholders. A skill that is
critical to the work of the commission.
He was well prepared, passionate and knowledgeable. I was
more than satisfied. That unhail'd, fulfilled several
criteria. I was hoping to see in every commissioner passion
willingness to do the work curiosity capacity. And again,
Independence and competence
we as nominators were satisfied, that we had an excellent
choice of a youth candidate further reviewed by the board
of Ethics, his boss alderwoman mana hoppenworth and the
Department of Law, confirmed our choice. I am confident
that we have a great, commissioner and Mr. Navarijo, and I
hope that you will agree and approve this appointment.
Thank you. Thank you, Miss Humphries.
That concludes our public comment. Let me thank each of the
um, speakers for uh spending your time and coming in and
speak on the important issues that we face in this city.
Pursuant to rule 59, alderwoman, Taylor and Alderman
Mitchell have requested to appear by video conference. Can
I get a motion for the approval of alderwoman Taylor and
Alderman Mitchell to appear by video conference? So moved
by Vice chair Robinson, all of those in favor. Say I
All those opposed nay and the opinion, it shares, the eyes.
Have it each of you should have received.
by email on, July 17, 2024 a copy of the rule, 45 report
for the meeting held on July, 15th. 2024, are there any
questions or comments?
There being no questions and comments, can I get a motion
for the approval of the roof? 45 report?
So moved by Alderman, Curtis all those in favor. Say I
I all those opposed nay.
And opinion to chair the eyes, have it.
The rule 45. Um, the motion carries, there's 1 item before
and Mr. Navaro, if I could have you, uh, I'm come forward,
please.
There's 1 item before the committee today appointment or a
202249254 the appointment of angel ruby Navaro.
To the community community commission for Public Safety and
accountability.
Each of you have received Mr. Navos resume.
And also each of you would have received a recommendation
from the nominating committee, um, regarding his
appointment, Mr. Navaro, if you wish to provide a brief
opening statement, you have the floor um that will be
followed by questions and comments from members on the
committee.
And those that are non-members.
This not real.
I appreciate it. Um, good morning, chair, Vice chair,
members of the committee. My name is Anil, Ruben Navaro.
And I'm grateful for the opportunity to be here today as an
appointee.
Someone who came to the US from Guatemala, as a young age
and grew up in a diverse neighborhood. As in Albany Park,
my journey has been 1 shape by challenges and a deep
commitment to Public Service growing up as a dreamer. I
faced many obstacles due to my immigration status, I was
denied opportunities that others could take for granted and
those experiences shaped my determination to serve those
who have been under represented or do not have a voice at
all in government, I realized that the power to create
change lies in government and I wanted to focus my energies
there. What policies and decisions impact our daily lives.
That's why I've devoted my career to public service so
early on because I was really upset that I was denied
opportunities because of my immigration status
I believe in the ability of government to be a force for
good and I'm committed to making sure it works for
everyone.
Public Safety is a core issue that affects every Community,
especially communities of color and immigrant communities.
Like the 1 I grew up in
I have personally experienced both a positive and negative
sides of interactions with law enforcement. I've had both
interactions.
And those experiences drive my passion to ensure that this
commission is fair-minded independent and fully
representative of all Chicagoans as well as our officers
who put their lives on the line every day.
I know that there have been concerns about my dual roles,
but I want to be very clear. I remain focused on the work
that needs to be done for the people of the city as
mandated by ordinance for the commission.
The city's Department of Law and board of Ethics, have both
confirmed that there's no 1 here in conflict, in my
appointment.
to the commission while maintaining my full-time role, as
director of Neighborhood, Services of the 40th, Ward
Many Commissioners also, balance full-time jobs, and I'm no
different in my commitment to managing both roles with
integrity and dedication.
after all this, uh, appointment, uh, or position was
advertised as a part-time Commission
in response to your feedback, I work closely with my boss
alderwoman Manana, hoppenworth on a work agreement, to
ensure any potential conflicts are fully addressed.
I'm committed to following the guidelines of the agreement
which includes steps to prevent overlap between my duties
and Safeguard the independence of my work on the
commission.
I take pride in bringing my personal and professional
experiences to the commission and I'm excited to serve this
city that has given me so much.
I look forward to your favorable consideration of my
appointment and in fully transparent and available to
answer any questions you may have.
Thank you so much Mr. Navaro and again,
Um as as chairman of the committee and I know a few of the
nominating committees it expressed, um, not necessarily the
concern but they did Express in their opening comments the
time that is taken. And and I want I want you to know
Um, that oftentimes measures that would come before this
body. Um,
Takes time because it deserves that time.
and um,
I think you presented something that, you know, when this
ordinance was first, um, I'm talked about
Your particular situation presented, an issue that we had
not discussed. And that's whether or not a full-time
employee, that's working for the city. Um, um, Can in fact
take this appointment? Uh, we did speak with regard to
whether or not a a police officer or someone that's worked
with cop for someone that's worked in Internal Affairs
division. Uh, would be uh, be able to take this position
and the restrictions that we placed on that. Um, but we
didn't contemplate. Someone working full-time in an
automatic office and the possible conflicts that that may
have created. Um, and then also uh, given rules of the
city.
Um, we didn't contemplate on whether or not, um, a person
making a full-time salary and also make, um, a stipend both
from the city. Uh, and so, um, I want you to know, as well
as the nominating committee to know that whether you
discuss that during your time frame, um, in in your
committee. Um, as you put these appointees together for the
mayor, um, that we had to consider that, um, and given
that, um, it it does take time to work through these
issues. So, uh, with that being said, um, the city didn't
close down, the city didn't burn down. Um, in fact, we are
still moving forward as a city as we contemplate these this
and other serious issues before the city.
Um but I do want the public to know that um you did get an
an an overwhelming amount of support um as was presented
today uh from the nominating committee. And and as chairman
of the committee, I I have spoken with you on a few
occasions. I've spoken with Mana hoppenworth, um,
alderwoman and I'll hop in work uh with regard to your
appointment and and I can honestly give you my support. Um,
I I honestly believe that my questions um that I had with
regard to my concerns um have been answered and I fully
understand the role that you'll be in and the role that you
while while working. For all the women may not have been
worth um that she's going to closely guard. Um any
conflicts that may be inherent.
To win a conflict that may arise. And and I ask you, um, if
you are appointed
To keep that as a top concern of yours. Um, because we do
want to present, not only this, um, the city. But the body
that you'll be working for, um, in a very positive light
and, and with that, you're going to have to have a sense of
Independence, uh, from, uh, what your older woman may be
concerned with, um, as to what you may be concerned with.
Um, I have no doubt, um, in your qualification, uh, they're
very well stated in your resume and they're very well
stated by those, that, that support you to include, um,
quite a few of my colleagues. Um, and so I think you'll do
a great job on the commission. You've already shown a, a
level of dedication, uh, to the city. Um, and and and
working with the commission on a voluntary basis, as well
as your work that you're doing in, um, in your the older
woman's office. So with that, you have my support, but I, I
say guard, um, be specific to guard any conflicts and, and
if a conflict does arise, uh, be able
Able to articulate that uh to the commission as well as to
your uh respectfully to your uh the Elder woman that you're
working for. Um are there any questions and comments? Uh,
from
Alderwoman nent followed by.
Alderwoman clay and then alderwoman Lee.
Thank you chairman. Uh I share the sentiments of many who
have spoken before me today. That anel is highly qualified
for this role.
However, this commission position remains different than
the district council positions that some spoke of earlier
today. In public comment this 7-person commission, wields,
tremendous power, and influence, and requires true
Independence.
Well, I appreciate a work agreement between anal and Alder
person Mana hoppenworth. The reality is all aldermanic
staff is questioned on public safety and constituents
deserve a response and should not be told to speak to a
different staffer because of this type of a work agreement
further ccpsa is in its infancy and has been doing great
work. Under the leadership of both Anthony driver and Adam
gross. And for them to continue to build trust with
Chicago. And this commission must not have even the
appearance of a conflict. Therefore, I will be a no vote
today. Thank you. Chairman.
Thank you, alderwoman.
Alderwoman Lee.
Thank you, Lee.
Thank you chairman, um, anal.
I'm tired of seeing you in this seat. I know it's been a
really long road, um, and I, I think I said to you on the,
um, at the first meeting where, uh, your, your nomination
was held, um,
That the concerns were really not about you as an
individual. I I said it then and I maintained now just like
everybody else has that. You are exactly the kind of person
that we need on this Commission.
Um, and my concerns haven't changed from the the previous
meetings. Um, I had raised the concern about the potential
Conflict for interests conflict of interest, um, and the
secondary employment piece of it. And I was hoping that
there would be some movement to, um, amend the ordinance so
that we wouldn't be in this position again in the future,
um, but that hasn't happened, uh, and with that, um,
unfortunately, my position hasn't changed. I think you're
incredible. I think you would be great on this commission,
uh,
But my my position on this is that I will be a no on this
today, um, given the the potential conflict down the road.
Um, personally uh, you know, I wouldn't necessarily want
someone for my staff, um, on the commission, if they were
so inclined, you know, would encourage them to, to do that
separately because there is so much of our work that's tied
into public safety, and, um, opening ourselves up to the
secondary employment piece of it. I think it can be ch
Ing. Look, we each as Alders, um, have the ability, uh, to
dictate what the work. Agreements are with our employees
and I applaud you and and uh Lenny for for doing that. Um,
but my my position maintains the same so I will be a no
today.
Thank you, alderwoman alderwoman clay.
Thank you, chairwoman chairman, I'm sorry. I'm looking at
Nicole and I'm looking at you. Uh, Happy Pisces and full
moon, everybody, uh, anel super excited to have you here
and see, uh, for a multitude of reasons, and I do
appreciate you, chairman for taking the time over the last
6 months to go through the weeds. Um, I think that, as you
can see, this is something that all of us take very
serious. Um, not just having a young Latino leader at the
front of our police, but also making sure that that bridge
is being built from our communities, also, making sure that
you are able to show up and do the 40 plus hours a week,
right? Because the job of working in a constituent office
is not as regular as everybody thinks or regular 9 to 5. So
I do appreciate you working with older women. When I happen
to work to outline some of those restrictions and put up
boundaries. I also think that because we've talked to law
and that we've also talked to ethics and we've made sure
that
We've included all of the parties that be that this has
been done thoroughly and you have my full support. So just
want to say thank you for being um,
For being patient as we can work through all of this and
make sure that we've covered um all of our behinds in this.
So thank you chairman. Thank you all the woman clay.
I distressed that by the way.
Um, there are there any other committee members?
Alderman Rodriguez.
Thank you so much Mr. Chair. Um,
I gotta admit, uh, in my ears on Council and as a newly
minted, chair, relatively new, uh, I learned a lot from you
Mr. Chair. And I appreciate your diligence, on every issue
that you tackle, uh, and your opinion here matters. Uh, so
very much. So I wanted to say thank you for your
leadership. Uh, I've been a lot of work in this matter.
Only met an through this process. Uh, so I do want to take
a couple minutes here, uh, to express while I'm not a
Committee Member, I've spent so much time on this matter
and have come to
Really feel deeply.
About this appointment and how important it is.
Very much for my community, but very much for the Tire City
of Chicago.
Um,
I want to, you know, thank the nominating committee. Uh
y'all are damn impressive. Um, your diligence, the way in
which you've handled this matter. Uh, I think we did a
really good job a couple of years ago in uh creating uh
this uh body and this body.
Has once again, proven that it gets things done with this
nomination and supporting this nomination and putting forth
our best in our city because that's what our city deserves
our best at this table. Um, the nominating committee re
let's let's let's remember this reviewed over a 100
applicants interviewed, 30 of them and came up with a small
number of individuals and the mayor selected 7, an 1 of
those 7 and amongst the best of those 7 not just for the
Youth position. But for any of those positions that has
been stated time and time, again, the board of Ethics, has
stated the following and I quote, this was in your packets
folks. There is no inherent conflict under the in
on this appointments. This is pertaining to law, not
pertaining to opinion. The fact is, this ordinance does not
prohibit, and I quote does not.
Prohibit the Stafford from receiving the stipend. The third
thing that I mentioned
The excuse me, kind sir, the agreement that was put forth
by my colleague outlines very specifically.
This individual's role both.
In the local aldermanic office and here. And might I say,
That I am very proud that my chief of staff.
Took time out of.
Her office duties today to sign out of the office assign
her duties to other individuals in my office. We asked the
part-time staffer to step in and a volunteer at our office
to step in to take that time and we are more than staffed
as I was in my office this morning. Thank you very much for
your comments. Um, I believe the work agreement that was
worked out by Alderman. Hopworth, certainly meets, uh, and
establishes a very solid precedent for us, to consider
moving forward. I'd also like to
look at the Department of Law letter.
That's cites the board of ethics.
Also states that the governmental ethics ordinance. Does
not prohibit this appointment. No inherent conflict under
the Geo. The governmental ethic ordinance is apparent and
the Geo does not prohibit Mr. Navo from receiving the
stipend
You know, um, lastly, I'd like to say that not only does
Mr. Navaro
represents a documented youth in our community.
Someone born in raised. Forgive me. Someone raised.
As a Guatemalan immigrant.
In this country.
Who will be the best of us moving forward who will add to
our society, but most importantly has stated by the Florida
police former police Commander that you worked with for
years. And I quote,
Former 20th Police District.
Commander highly recommends, Mr. Ruby Navaro for this
appointment.
that you have successfully worked to mitigate issues, such
as gang crimes, the migrant crisis, technological
challenges, and a variety of other Public, Public Service
needs in giving you His Highest of recommendations. I am
very proud to stand here today, to support your nomination.
I wish I can be in this committee and vote in favor, but I
do think that this committee will consider the entirety of
this nomination and I hope they move you forward. I urge my
colleagues to vote in your favor and I thank you very much
for going this through this process. You have been nothing
but
full of Integrity passion and commitment throughout this
whole process and I thank you for stepping up and stepping
forward and I thank you Mr. Chair for being so diligent in
this process. Thank you so, very much for this opportunity
to speak.
Thank you Alderman Rodriguez.
Alderwoman Haden.
Thank you, too. Thank you chairman. Um, uh, I just want to
also speak in support of this and for committee members.
Um, hope that you'll support. So representing the 49th
Ward, we're in the 24th Police District. Um, we are
neighbors to the 20th District. Um, so not only do, uh,
myself and my office and my constituents, um,
We're impacted by what happens in our neighboring district
and what happens in our neighboring Wards. Um, I appreciate
the work that my colleague. Um, Alderman. I'll hoppenworth
has done to make this possible, um, and I also want to
raise, I know we've seen examples and people serving with
different roles
Again, I'll highlight for colleagues here, our ordinance.
Um, does not prohibit this. And while I do appreciate that,
I mean, sometimes we have questions and we we've got to
spend time on the question, so I too. Um, thank you
Talia faroh for making the space and the time for having
these conversations and hearing out people's concerns um I
just want to flag
Right? As an older person who hires staff and and my
office, I want to flag some of the concerns that I have.
That this is touched on on other older people.
Telling an older person what they can do with their staff
and their office. And I I just want to raise that as a
concern of that that brings us into a little bit of a
different space of
If what was contemplated in the ordinance, which maybe we,
as individuals who didn't draft it. Specifically maybe we
didn't contemplate the employment of a full-time City
person that wasn't in Coppa or the police department. But I
think it was contemplated um, by other people actually
working on the ordinance, which is why those other City
departments that right? Like they wanted to put a barrier
there. Um, I also
Just urge caution in as we move Beyond this decision and
think about kind of future things that maybe there's time
to look at what concerns we might have. And if there are
revisions that people want to make that can be a
conversation for them. But the decision we have to make now
is based on the law that we have now and I have concerns
about what type of discriminatory Behavior. This could be
seen as if our law says, this is legal. If our Law
Department says, this is fine if our ethics board says,
this is good and if someone in employment of the city, is
seeking an opportunity that he is by right? And by law able
to do and if we
Are on grounds of saying but we aren't comfortable with it
with the employment piece. I feel like that opens up
another space for discriminatory action that we need to
resolve.
Through legislative action. If we have concerns about it to
make sure that legislation matches, what we want to see and
contemplate those things. But we have the time in the power
and the space to do it. Um, because on Hill uh uh Windsor
birthday.
December 26. December 26. So we got him for like you know,
we confirm and we can get him in after he's not 24. He
can't serve in this position anymore anyway. Um but I'll
say um because ccpsa is in its new space. I think we're
going to continue to run into these bumps. Um so I'll just
say like we're we're going to continue and I think it is
our role to continue to find things, to see how they work,
um, hearing from the nominators, um, knowing knowing on
Hill, personally, and having the professional, um, uh,
relationship um, through work between our offices, but also
knowing the command and the officers, and the community
served by the 20th District, as well as the 24th district
and the 19th District as well.
He's the best person for this role. Um and is someone who
is going to be able to work with us to help us improve.
What we want in ccpsa going forward, um, especially after
the 6 months and how many times he's been here in the
committee, I guarantee you he'd probably be willing to work
with the committee, um, to think about, hey, are there
things that we want to amend going forward? But I asked
people to make your decision based on what the rules are
today. Um, what the rules are today and thank you chair.
Thank you all the woman.
Alderman spazo.
Thank you, chairman. Thank you.
Yeah, altemus vazado.
How you doing? I thought your name was Angel but I guess
maybe anel's the the way to roll it. So I'll try to sew
anel's a constituent of mine, um, I supported them last
time.
For the sole reason. Well, I mean, mainly, because he was,
he had a great resume but also his constituent
But reviewing over this and thinking about it, and talking
to Anthony driver and talking to some people and talking,
from my, to my district, council person. Um, I am, I, I'm
also trouble. I do see a conflict. I could assure, you
racism has nothing to do with this. Um, so, um,
but I, I my district council person and and chairman, I
don't know if we could the the person who said they were in
charge of this, uh, commission. Sorry for him, they
answered this. But I know the commission voted for him, but
I believe it wasn't a unanimous vote. And I believe our our
meaning and Apollo tonnos, and mine and little bit of
nuance and Gardener, and whoever else that
Our district council person for some reason did not support
you. I don't know if that could be verified from Sam. He
said he was shared this thing is that? All right, chairman
I'm sorry I didn't hear. I'm looking for a clarification
that they said the district council guy. Sam said he was
chaired this meeting and I was curious about the vote and
where where my district council person voted. Well I I
can't tell you what their vote was. I know I'm asking you
if I can ask him, sure, go ahead and I believe Sam. You
said you said you chaired this committee.
Good morning Alderman. Um, I was not a chair. I was 1 of
the liaison of the working group structure that we had and
I helped to facilitate the meetings that we had. Okay. Um,
but I didn't mean to pick on yourself. Oh, that's totally
fine. I appreciate you. You posing the question. Um, the
vote for anel. Um, was I believe 18 to 1? Um, there was 1
member from Englewood, um, who voted against all the Slate
of Commissioners that we put forward or nominees that we
put forward? Um,
Remind me what my 66 16th. There's a council person
contacted me and I'm guessing she contacted the palatin.
Also saying that she did not support this and want to want
to meet and know so I'm assuming she contacted the other
people but you're saying that's not so my recollection.
Having been at that meeting where I believe District
counselor, Dylan was present voted in favor of Vaughn Hill
along with all 15 nominees that we sent forward to the
mayor. Okay. All right. Well, thank you, thank you. All
right. Um, okay, that that makes it, that makes things more
difficult for me. So,
um,
So I don't know why it's well 1 of my questions was
answered by somebody here. So I was just going to say what
happens in 15 months when he's 25, then I guess you're off
the council, right?
To the best of your knowledge.
No.
My term starts when I start.
Being commissioner, but then you're you're not 18 to 24
then anymore. Um, I'll let the commission answer that
question. That more technical term, okay. All right. Yeah.
We could we could pose that question to uh, the executive
director. Okay. I I I just, I was just curious about that.
So, um, so just my problem with this is your great kid. I
think you. I think it could be fair. I do see a conflict. I
certainly wouldn't want somebody from my office. Um, being
in this Council because I want them to be like-minded like
me. So uh, because of that, I can't support you. I'm sorry.
So thank you, chairman.
Hold on, thank you. Um,
Alderman. Curtis
Thank you. Chairman. Uh,
Angel you sit in a very uh fortunate uh, position with me
uh, spending 13 years in law enforcement. Uh, I've seen
good, I've seen the bad. Um,
I um,
I I am, I do believe in police reform.
I what I don't believe in so many terms of accountability
that has been bestowed upon the police department. Uh, but
we're here, uh, there's a lot of people that I do depend on
uh, uh.
Definitely my police Council. Uh, that's that's very
diverse, uh, and
they seem to have a lot of faith in you. They seem to have
a lot of faith in you and in saying that I am going to
trust them because I have built a great relationship with
them and I trust them. So I will have to trust you on this
appointment. So uh, you have my support on this
appointment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, thank you. Um,
Autumn, and Vasquez.
Thank you chairman. Um, we're here for the third time on
this conversation and feeling appreciative of it. Um, I
want to thank my colleagues for raising up, um, some
points. Uh, I think
A lot has been brought up about ecps and what was written
and was it considered and is it a conflict? And I think I
can say out of all the colleagues here, I'm the only 1 that
was around when we drafted it, which makes me feel old, but
happens to be the case. Uh, so along with, uh, as well
those there Anthony driver, uh, lesie harston uh,
Sawyer.
uh, Rosa
Sophia King. A number was spent weeks, Osterman spent weeks
discussing many facets of facets of the legis legislation
knowing that there were 2 competing pieces of legislation
that we had to square together. Um,
In that conversation, this did come up and so I know it
keeps being referred to as something that maybe people
weren't considering, but we did. This was a conversation
that was clearly had about who would be able to be in these
positions and who would not? You can tell there's actual
Clarity there because it's very clear on who should not be
able to serve right members who aren't police board
members. Are Copa people who are, I think had been in the
force, uh, certain amount of time, would have to be
separated from the role in order to do so. So, all these
conversations about who could be in the role were discussed
and it was very clear that there were employees of city
government who might have interest
And actually running for the positions.
As we drafted it, we viewed it as a plus, to have people
who worked in government actually want to take the
initiative to help improve police oversight and
accountability, understanding that sometimes those in
government, have a better understanding about the
bureaucracy. They got to deal with how long it takes to
move things. How nuanced these arguments are that,
sometimes many of us who run for these seats and are the
first on the front lines, with the picket signs, then show
up and become part of government and realize, it's not so
easy to actually have to deliver the things that we keep
screaming at government about. So there was a clear reality
that having people who worked in government is actually in
many regard to benefit and people would have the right to
run. So it was thought about it was clarified, we debated
about it and made sure that it was not explicitly written
that, if City employee could not,
So there's no conflict there as stated by Department of
Law.
As stated by the board of Ethics. Now, the other
considerations that might be misconstrued as conflict. I'd
like to address also, um,
First. And I don't mean to be glib, but I'm going to be
Direct.
How many of us here who have ever employed? People expect
obedience and for them to agree with us 100% on everything
we do.
How many of us who have worked jobs?
Had to sign something that said you had to agree with your
employer 100% of the time, none of us because that is not
in agreement as it relates to working for someone or being
an employer.
Now.
It's the only thing that's expected is to execute on
functions of the job and that's a reality, but I'll say, in
my 5 years in government, do I think my staff the multiple
multiple people that worked including Angel, who Angel
around Health, pick or choose? Who worked for our staff, do
I think they agreed with me, 100%? I can confidently, say
no, because we've had our conversations and our debates,
both in and out of the office.
Some of the colleagues or people that work for me, think I
may be a little too moderate, some think I'm too radical.
I've had to deal with all of the above. My concern was
never about their opinion, specifically about 1 matter, or
the other. It's, are they doing their job? I'm glad that I
hear your opinion. How about them tree trims.
It's great that you and I disagree about the fundamental
role of police in society, but is the pothole fixed.
That's the conversation. And so, when we think about
employers and employees,
I never saw a conflict because my only criteria is, are you
getting the job done? If you're not getting the job done,
there's a way to resolve that conflict.
It's called.
Conversation. It could be Progressive discipline. It could
be guess what? You're no longer with our team. But it's
never been about somebody's opinion, because I've never
wanted to hire somebody who is obedient. It's somebody who
can execute. And I we work to develop leaders. So as it
relates to that part, if you think somebody disagreeing
with you on an opinion is a conflict, that's your whole
team.
Anybody here who's ever hired anyone now are there concerns
about hours being worked?
A million percent that is also not a conversation about
conflict. It's a conversation about how we track hours of
work,
if we tracked hours of work and let's say on hill or
somebody else had a
Take time off in the next week because there's a call
coming up. Great. You're now working that? Our so, where
are you? Making that our up?
Lord knows in the ward offices, with the little amount of
staff that we have. We can find more hours. We work on the
weekends. We work in the evenings, so it doesn't detract 1
of the other. But the ability to track those hours is
something we don't have as well as we could in government.
We could work on that and I will say for our colleagues,
those of us
Who happen to be city, council members and also have a
secondary job. There's no tracking on those hours.
There isn't any tracking on if somebody's in Alder and also
happens to work as a lawyer or something else and what
hours, they're punching out to do that job. So there's so
that. So then point out that there might be some level of
conflict in another person.
It's it shows a border a level of dissonance that borders
on hypocrisy, to not have the same standard for oneself.
So, if you want to have a conversation about tracking
absolutely, let's have it. If we want to talk about
conflicts, there's not a conflict in that person working in
that role. There might be a challenge in trying to write.
Uh, the hours. I also talked to Anthony driver, I followed
up after my colleague Nick pado did and asked about the
hours
He and I had this conversation, he said in my role, my
a little more flexible so I can move things around and work
around 40. But something that's more reasonable would be 20
hours of work. And so then we have the conversation. I said
great. If somebody has to pull out 20 hours, let's say a
week I'm gonna find the other 20 somewhere else so they
work the hours. So
All these things can be addressed. If there are changes
that people want to make to the legislation, we're open to
that conversation. Because 1 way to eliminate the perceived
conflict, people have is pay these Commissioners more money
so they don't need a second job.
But we haven't had that conversation but if people want to
open to it, so I I know angel, I could speak to his
character but that's not the case. I'm trying to make, I'm
looking at what's in the law, what it says, and what
actually isn't isn't a conflict and that just doesn't exist
here. Thank you very much chairman.
Alderwoman Silverstein.
Thank you, chairman.
Um, I just need a point of clarification because I'm a
little bit confused. So your only in this spot until you're
25. Is that correct?
I, I think I just can't apply for that seat again, that
youth spot. So I would, I would start my position if it was
before December, of course. And then I would run through
the term, which I believe is 2 years, and then I wouldn't
be able to apply for that youth spot. If because I believe
Commissioners are allowed to apply again.
so, you're allowed to stay in a spot for youth under
205, even though you're 26 or 27, many of the commissioners
before that, um, also had the same predicament of turning
24/25 and so
we you, I would still be in the position. If that's your
question before December. I just wouldn't be able to
reapply as a youth, commissioner
Got it. Okay, thank you.
Thank you. Are there any more questions and comments?
Older women may not have been worth.
Sorry.
Okay, are there?
are there any other questions or comment also,
so once again, I just want to say 1 thing, I don't think
anybody doubts here that there's plenty of work to do in
our offices, I'm not remotely worried about that portion of
it that you're going to put in your 40 hours a week because
everybody knows all their manic offices. You guys, if you
guys put in for overtime, the city would owe you a lot of
money that way we can't afford. So we know my staff. We had
a shredding recycling event. We only have meetings so I
don't I don't remotely question that you're gonna give your
full 40 hours because I'm sure you already give 50 hours.
So I'm not remotely worried about that. So I just just want
to clarify that. That's not my concern. My just, my concern
is the conflict of interest. I wouldn't demand that anybody
be anything, but I certainly, certainly the people. I hire
in my office are, certainly, somewhat like-minded like me.
And I certainly wouldn't hire somebody way to the left,
what I'm way to the, right? So I'm not ashamed to say that
I'm a righty and I certainly wouldn't hire a hard Lefty. So
I wouldn't demand that they have to do anything, but I am
who I am. Thank you chairman, thank you all Miss V.
Are there any other questions?
No, no.
No, any other questions and comments? All right. There be
no further questions. Can I get a motion for the passage of
item? Number 1, the appointment of on Hill? No novaro to
the ccpsa. So moved by
Alderman, Mosley all of those in favor. Say I
I, I
Make well if if you are if you are not on committee you
can't vote as course. All those in favor. Say I I those
opposed nay in opinion of the chair's eyes, have it and the
motion carries congratulation, this item will be
This item will be reported out.
At the city council septembar, 18th 2024.
They're being no further business before the committee.
The committee is adjourned. Can I get a motion to adjourn?
So moved by Alderman, Curtis all those in favor. I, I all
those opposed name and the opinion of the chairs, the eyes
have it,
The meaning of the committee on police and fires a jour.